[Mycarayne]

The DS is finally on sale here. I might buy one, but i'll definetly be getting a PSP. Quickly.

[Nemphtis]

I'm getting bored of my imported games, I think I'll import Need For Speed Underground Rivals soon. Two games just isn't going to be enough to keep my busy until the UK PSP is launched.

[My Best Wishes]

Lol the psp insn't even out there yet? did yu get it from the states or something?

I have LoZ minish cap a few months before its release here.

[Nemphtis]

No I imported it from Japan over 6 weeks ago.

[Golden Legacy]

I simply would like to post that this has been CONFIRMED:

- The Revolution will be backward-compatible with the GameCube, and will also utilize Wi-Fi
- The DS will also be going online later this year, with Animal Crossing expected to be the first major title to use global networking (for the lack of a better term)

Speculate as you wish :wacko:

[Ravenblade]

I thought they had changed the name of "Revolution" again to "Nintendo 21" or something. Or am i being backwards again.

Anyways, that stuff about it being backwards compatible is awesome!

[Echo_djinn]

How will they be able to get the DS to go online? I would like to know that. Anyways, I just wish they hurry up and start selling the revolution because I sick of waiting. I am done complaining now. Does anyone know when they think they will be able to put the Revolution on the market?

[Ravenblade]

About one and a half to two years after the next Zelda title release probably, (about 3 or 4 months away, hopefully) so not too far off.

[Nemphtis]

Nintendo must be teaming up with the porn industry, what's up with their website url man... www.touchmehere.com...

What if the poor little kiddy types www.touchmethere.com instead and sees things he shouldn't see! :wacko: Blasphemy!

The DS is out here now, unfortunately I don't have the money to buy it anymore since I just bought 3 new games for Xbox & PS2 (I couldn't help myself, I had to buy SOMETHING to feed mt obsession...).

[Golden Legacy]

Wasn't the DS just recently released in the UK?

And to answer the previous question, the Nintendo Revolution is expected to be released in 2006, at least slightly ahead of the PlayStation 3. On another note, Microsoft's XboxNext will be released at the end of 2005.

[My Best Wishes]

Sigh again they are released same time, another huge console fight on its way....

[l3lueMage]

Xenon will rule, have u seen the demo movies, best graphics in the world, no1 can compare!!!

[My Best Wishes]

Maybe but nintendo fails againest sony and microsoft.

Remember one of them has been designing comp software or years, the new xbox will have a few tircks.

And i would never rule out the Playstation's, it might be the last thing you do.

[Nemphtis]

Each console will have some sort of unique advantage over the other, that's how it always goes. All I can say is though Microsofts online service will blow away Sony's and Nintendo's for the coming year. Online gaming is Microsofts playground. I'll be getting all three consoles as usual since I'm not biased about which console will rock, but I'll be getting the Xenon first since that will be the first one out.

[l3lueMage]

Here is what I think of each company(how they advertise)

Microsoft: Good, everything they said about the xbox came true basically and they didnt exagerate while advertising it, and they actually have demos for xbox 2 to prove what it will have.

Nintendo: Exagerates a little, for example GBA was supposed to go online, never did, they almost released SMB on gba, they advertise pretty good other than that.

Sony: OMG, freakin liars...there was quite a few sites (official) that said sony gave them news on making a thing for PS3 that you stick these 4 things to make a square/rectangle to make your screen, basically a hollgram screen thingy, then they also said Virtual Reality, where you where a helmet and have all the pads on and everything and it also shocks you if you get shot or s omething...ya the second one could be possible, but think about getting shot in the heart with a machine gun, you would die....

well thats my thought...sony also said they would make the graphics twice what xbox 2 would be, where sthe proof?

Sega/Sammi: Just sort of there, just advertises games, and when they do make a system dont make a big deal out of it, yet comes out with best games.

[My Best Wishes]

Lol so many sites have crap on them. I heard thta the ps3 was just a upgrade chip for the ps2, and the ps3 was changed to a console and was going to be released last year. Be careful what you believe.

[Isaac702]

I cant deside there all so good i will st wait until after E3 for more imfo and then deside

[Ravenblade]

As a side note, Microsoft claimed the X-box was the first console to have 4 built in controller ports until someone threw an N64 at them XD So their advertising isnt totally brilliant is it?

I dont remember people ever claiming the GBA would be internet capable either....that sounds a lot like an internet rumour to me seeing as Nintendo backed out of online gaming publically due to the hardware or the console not being sufficient to support it.

[Golden Legacy]

That was never true, and I can't possibly imagine where that started. Perhaps it was referring to the DS, which will be going online later this year, the next GameBoy (nothing of which is confirmed), or even the Revolution, which will, also, have Wi-Fi capabilities.

On another note, Nintendo confirmed this at the Game Developer's Conference; the Revolution will not only be online compatible, but it will also be backwards compatible with the GameCube. Totally awesome indeed :o

[Eothain]

I did read an article in a gaming magazine, and they showed info on what chips and graphics processors each console would use...i don't remember any names, as i don't have the magazine with me...and also, the author speculated what sequels will surely be out on the next generation consoles...for example, Fable II....and if there's a game that's going to be released probably as the new consoles launch, will be The Elder Scrolls IV: OBlivion...anyone who played Morrowind will know what i'm yalking about... my expectations are high for this game, Bethesda did an outstanding job with morrowind, and they can surely do an even better job with greater hardware capabilities.

[My Best Wishes]

Ravenblade, on Apr 9 2005, 09:47 AM, said:

As a side note, Microsoft claimed the X-box was the first console to have 4 built in controller ports until someone threw an N64 at them XD So their advertising isnt totally brilliant is it?

I dont remember people ever claiming the GBA would be internet capable either....that sounds a lot like an internet rumour to me seeing as Nintendo backed out of online gaming publically due to the hardware or the console not being sufficient to support it.

HHAH fooled by nintendo, i pity the fool

GL-i've heard that this online thing will be a gba cartiage with some special stuff. Do you know any facts or anything about this?

[Sea of Time]

The Gamecube has a very fast engine without online play. Load times are a lot shorter on the GC than on the XBox or the PS2. So the lack of online play speeds it up a bit.

[Nobody]

I noticed that when playing the PS2 at my friend's house. The GCN memory card seems to hold a lot more data also.

[Golden Legacy]

Watch, the online structure Nintendo plans on implementing will begin with the DS, not with the GBA. In all honesty, I can't ever remember that the GBA would have had online compatibility, and it is quite simply untrue.

However, once again, the DS will be going online later this year, using its own cartridges. The Revolution will launch with Wi-Fi support built-in, although the details will be revealed later.

[Sea of Time]

We'll probably see some of this Revolution stuff at E3 2005. I'm really looking forward to seeing the highlights of E3 this year, anyone else have predictions?

[Nobody]

Another thing I'd have to say is that Microsoft's Xenon would probably have an "unfair advantage" because Microsoft makes MSN Messenger and things like this. If you have MSN Messenger, you know what I mean if you've seen the "XBox Live" tab...

[l3lueMage]

Ravenblade, on Apr 8 2005, 03:47 PM, said:

As a side note, Microsoft claimed the X-box was the first console to have 4 built in controller ports until someone threw an N64 at them XD So their advertising isnt totally brilliant is it?

I dont remember people ever claiming the GBA would be internet capable either....that sounds a lot like an internet rumour to me seeing as Nintendo backed out of online gaming publically due to the hardware or the console not being sufficient to support it.

hehe, they had it on their site...but they said maybe after a while, see there was gameboy.com then there was gameboyadvance.com XD gameboy.com never had a link to gameboyadvance.com at the time, and they soon merged them i guess. but they did say that you would be able to plug the gba into ur computer to play online, or by a seperate cord and if you bought internet for your cellphone plug it into that...

[My Best Wishes]

Nobody, on Apr 13 2005, 06:01 AM, said:

Another thing I'd have to say is that Microsoft's Xenon would probably have an "advantage" because Microsoft makes MSN Messenger and things like this. If you have MSN Messenger, you know what I mean if you've seen the "XBox Live" tab...

What kind of advantage does that offer? The Xenon will be a messganer system? if your adding advantages like that to the new xbox then thats the same reason why nobody here wants the psp.(this was not a go a nobody, it was a go at microsoft)

[Nemphtis]

No wiseguy, the advantages are too many to name. But currently you can che ck who's online in Xbox Live using MSN, check the latest Xbox Live news, check if anyone has sent you friend requests etc.

[Ravenblade]

If all next gen consoles are going to support the online capabilities to the extent that the XBox will then i see this feature as really rather redundant in the overall scheme of things as far as judging which one will be best.

However, if the Xbox gets to the point where it essentially becomes a computer i going to laught at it - that seems to be the way they're heading by adding all these features wouldnt you say? Why not just make computers better suited for gaming? They'd weigh less...

[Golden Legacy]

True. There are actually rumours that Microsoft plans on releasing three versions of its next Xbox system: a "traditional" game system, a more advanced version with a hard drive and more functionality, and another (Xbox HD?) that would supposedly have a version of Windows on it.

[lifeform287]

Golden Legacy, on Apr 15 2005, 05:31 PM, said:

True. There are actually rumours that Microsoft plans on releasing three versions of its next Xbox system: a "traditional" game system, a more advanced version with a hard drive and more functionality, and another (Xbox HD?) that would supposedly have a version of Windows on it.

*blink* *blink* Ok.....

And I thought Internet Explorer was supposed to be non profit....

Ya. Release all the new IEs on X-Box. Selling systems for people to get new IEs.
Hey. Wait. Thats evil. Why didn't I think of that....

[Ravenblade]

A version of windows on games consoles...my word that would be..interesting.

You know, its almost like Microsoft realised the PC games werent doing as well as console games and moved into the market as a console in order to bring everyone slowly back into PCs...I smell a conspiracy XD

[My Best Wishes]

I don't blame them, all games are better on pc. Especcially fps.

i still refuse to support xbox.And IE sucks regardless, not good enough virius protection.

[Ravenblade]

Nah i dont like the controls for PC FPS games. Thats really just a preference thing though.

I prefer consoles. If microsoft does convert back to PCism and brings the Xboxers with it, then chances are it wont make too much difference to the other gamers as consoles are still better than PC's for having your friends round to play against.

[My Best Wishes]

what do you use?

i use

w-forwatd
s-backword
a-left
d-right
space-jump
mouse-look
left button-shoot
right button-alt shoot
r-reload
left crtl-crouch.

from then it depends on what other controls there are.

what console do you use for fps??

[Ravenblade]

I play on the cube but to be honest the systems across all of them are pretty similar.

As for PC controls....whatever is installed really. The Unreal Tournament default probably.

[Nemphtis]

lol You guys listen to too many rumours. Those have been denied by Microsoft a month ago. Also, ALL consoles are alot like comps. The only reason people make fun of the Xbox for it is because it's the console that is most like a comp out of the three.

All three next gen consoles are using more than one processor, all four next gen consoles are going to be online it seems, just because the Xbox360 is closest to being a computer, do you really think you're in such a position to judge it?

Same goes for the Gamecube, I'm hearing certain newbies claiming they won't get the next Gamecube since they don't like kiddy games. The console isn't even out yet, and little kiddies are already speculating that it's going to have childish games.

[Ravenblade]

But The kiddy image of the gamecube comes from Nintendos image rather than that of the console. The X-box being PC like isnt something that really bothers me as i doubt i'll be getting one anyway. If I do get one it will only be because Rareware have finally released Perfect Dark on it, as nothing else in its line up interests me enough.

I just think that Microsoft are bringing us closer and closer to that one day when you go into a room and sitting in the middle of it is a box that does everything; TV/computer/games console/music player/etc..and that will be a sad day.

[TobiasMar]

Ravenblade, on Apr 16 2005, 06:15 AM, said:

The X-box being PC like isnt something that really bothers me as i doubt i'll be getting one anyway.

Well, the reason why its kinda PC-like is because Microsoft also makes the X-box. And Microsft is the most popular Computer company

[Ravenblade]

Yes Gimli, im aware of that. But they made a games console and not a PC..and to the best of my knowledge they dont make PCs anyway.

[Someone Else]

Right. Microsoft makes platform thingy, not the actuall computer chips and whatnot...

Well, out of all these I'm most likely to get the Revolution, as it can use a PC monitor for a screen. My dad's claimed the TV. e.e

[Nemphtis]

Int he end of the day, it comes down to the question: Are you going to choose the console that uses a donkey and a windmill to power it, or are you going to choose the console that has processors etc. like a PC?

Wow, so the Xbox is going to let you play movies, listen to music, browse the internet etc. etc. why is that such a bad thing? If it can still play video games in a quality that can compete with the other consoles, why should you NOT ask for more if you're getting the same thing?

I personally don't care if they don't add whatever to it, as long as it does what I always liked it for doing then I'm fine with it, but if it adds lots of extras then why should I say no?

It's like buying a camera, both are priced the same but one of them has a Zoom, yet you choose to go for the one that has no zoom because you find the other one "sad"?

[Ravenblade]

Thats all true Anubis, and im not avoiding an X-box just cos its made by microsoft or anything, i just prefer the games on the cube. That said, if i could afford to i would buy an X-box as i have enjoyed playing the games on it too just to a lesser extent. I imagine that will be the case with the next generaion consoles aswell.

[Nemphtis]

Personally I can't stick to just one console, I like variety in my life when it comes to anything. I'll be buying the Xbox360 first solely because I believe based on experience they will make a great online service.

My next purchase will probably be the Revolution due to the fact I believe they'll come up with some more crap to make the gameplay somehow more "fresh". Lastly I'll purchase the PS3 to play all the games they Sony bought-out onto their console.

[Someone Else]

I myself don't care about all the extra stuff. If it doesn't have it, oh well. If it does, well, great. But I still don't see it any better or any worse because of it. =)

Yeah, the Xbox doesn't have as many games as I like, RPGS and adventure games. Shooters are fine and dandy, I suppose, but they really don't interest me as much as the other stuff. Xbox does have some cool RPGs as I've heard, but I don't think I'll spend $200 and unpwards for a console I'm going to be buying 2 or more games for.

[Nemphtis]

I agree with you there, the Xbox only has a handful of good RPG's. But when it comes to console shooters you can't compete with it though. As I stated I always buy all the next gens when they come out one by one, if I want online FPS, I look no further than my Xbox, if I want RPG's I look no further than my PS2, if I want party games to entertain my guests I look no further than my trust Gamecube.

[Echo_djinn]

When I heard the name for the new Xbox I just asked myself if Microsoft just ran out of good names to call their new console. The "Xbox 360" sounds like it needed a spin to it's name just to make it stick with the marketing crew.(Pun intended) Don't know if it's the final name for it but I just think it sounds stupid. Though when I saw the games coming out for it I just didn't care anymore. Halo 3 anyone?

[Andross]

Muffins. Err, I mean, XB360 pics ^_^

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1488407751772606.JPG
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/8390731317563729.JPG
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1387385638449262.JPG

And
http://www.engadget....34000267042765/
XBox Live/XB360 new features.

The competition just got MONOPOLY'D! :)

[Someone Else]

At least it looks like a box this time unlike the last shot I saw. :)

[Elliott]

The console looks very rushed in design, but that's microsoft for you.

[ishvan]

im going with em all, i just need them, but i REALLY hope the nintendo revolution is not that crappy remake of a ps2 with nothing but the DO button, i swear it would be another ness console for crying out loud! they showed a pic (which i SO dont believe) in a game informer magazine.

[Andross]

XB360 specs here http://hardware.game...m/x-15016-O-4-4
I'm figuring most people know the info. And btw, there will be backwards compatibility, but some older XB games may not work.
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PS3 Impressions
LOS ANGELES--Today saw the second of the big three console makers announce their next-generation platform. At its pre-E3 press conference, Sony Computer Entertainment gave the world its first look at the PlayStation 3, as it now is officially called.The name was not unexpected, since Sony had been running an extensive teaser-ad campaign prepping the public for the PlayStation 3. The company had laid a blanket of posters around the Los Angeles Convention Center, site of the Electronic Entertainment Expo (aka E3). Bus stalls and billboards around the convention center proclaimed "Prepare for Chang3" in the distinctive PlayStation font with partial shots of the Dual Shock controller's square-circle-triangle-X buttons.

Sony also confirmed the PlayStation 3 will use Blu-ray discs as its media format. The discs can hold up to six times as much data as current-generation DVDs. It will also support CR-ROM, CD-RW, DVD, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD+R formats. Sony also confirmed that the machine will be backward compatible all the way to the original PlayStation. It will also have slots for Memory Stick Duo, an SD slot, and a compact flash memory slot. It will also sport a slot for a detachable 2.5-inch HDD, somewhat similar to the Xbox 360's. Sony did not mention if the drive would be standard.

Sony also laid out the technical specs of the device. The PlayStation 3 will feature the much-vaunted Cell processor, which will run at 3.2GHz, giving the whole system 2 teraflops of overall performance. It will sport 256MB XDR main RAM at 3.2GHz, and it will have 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700MHz.

Sony also unveiled the PS3's graphics chip, the RSX "Reality Synthesizer," which is based on Nvidia technology. The GPU will be capable of 128bit pixel precision and 1080p resolution--some of the highest HD resolution around. The RSX also has 512MB of graphics render memory and is capable of 100 billion shader operations and 51 billion dot products per second. It also has more than 300 million transistors, larger than any processor commercially available today. It will be manufactured using the 90nm process, with eight layers of metal. The RSX is more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards, which would cost roughly $1,000 total if purchased today.

The PlayStation 3 will also sport some hefty multimedia features, such as video chat, Internet access, digital photo viewing, and digital audio and video. Speaking of video, Sony Computer Entertainment's chief technical officer Masa Chatani was on hand to show off the PS3's panoramic video functions. Since the console has two HD outputs, it is can be hooked up to two side-by-side HDTVs to projecting video in a 32:9 extra-widescreen format (think Cinemascope in your living room). Like a gigantic version of the Nintendo DS, the dual digital outputs also allow for an extended game display, with the action on one screen and either game information or video chat on the second.

Out of the box, the PS3 will have the capability to support seven Bluetooth controllers, which can be used for nearly 24 hours before they require charging. Later, pictures of the controllers themselves were released, showing their almost boomerang-like shape. It will also have six USB slots for peripherals: four up front and two in the back. As rumored, it will also have Wi-Fi connectivity to the PSP, which can be used as a remote screen and/or controller.

Dr. Richard Marx, the inventor of EyeToy, was on hand to show off the PS3's wireless HD IP Camera. The demo recalled rumors that the machine will have Minority Report-esque motion-sensing capabilities. Marx held two small cup-like objects in his hands, which moved the cups on the screen in real time.

To show off the PlayStation 3's graphical brawn, Sony showed several game demos, including an Unreal 3 engine show-off of what appeared to be Unreal Tournament 2007. In what must come as a relief to developers, Epic Games' Tim Sweeney was on hand to vouch for the PS3, saying it was "easy to program for" and that Epic had received its first PS3 hardware two months ago. He proved the tech demo was real-time by showing it again and by manipulating the camera and zooming in.

Sony also showed off several other tech demos. One was a next-gen remake of the famed "duck demo" first shown when the PlayStation 2 launched. Except this time, instead of one duck in a bathtub, the demo showed a whole flock of ducks milling about, as well as several toy battleships. Another demo showed grass and foliage growing while another showed Gran Turismo cars racing with Spider-Man swinging overhead. Speaking of Spider-Man, another demo showed highly detailed renders of Alfred Molina as Dr. Octopus recreated from the film Spider-Man 2.

However, Sweeney's words were only the beginning. Later, Sony trotted out a whole host of publishers that are backing the PlayStation 3. And in the process, it confirmed several games for the console. Hideo Kojima introduced Konami's Metal Gear Solid 4, Capcom showed off Devil May Cry 4, Namco unveiled Tekken 6, Polyphony Digital trotted out a fifth Gran Turismo, SCEE showed off the next Killzone, and Rockstar Games showed a new Western title.

EA President Larry Probst was also on hand to show off a demonstration of the next Fight Night game, which will presumably be called Fight Night Round 3. When one of the two fighters took a blow, his skin rippled realistically. Kudo Tsonoda from EA's Chicago studio was on hand, and said that the goal is to make the facial animation convey the amount of punishment a pugilist has suffered.

And still the games came. SCEE had three on display: A third Getaway, with an even seedier, nastier version of London; a new off-road racing game called Motor Storm from Evolution Studios; and a shooter called Heavenly Sword. Sega is readying Fifth Phantom Saga, and Bandai is prepping another Gundam game. Ubisoft is continuing to innovate in the first-person shooter field with an all-new IP named Killing Day. Koei enlightened the crowd with a demo of Ni-oh, a new martial-arts-themed brawler about Buddha's monk bodyguards. Incognito is developing a sequel to Warhawk, the acclaimed actioner for the original PlayStation.

However, one of the night's most impressive tech demos will likely be the most disappointing for fans of the Final Fantasy series. After showing some footage from the upcoming Final Fantasy XII for the PlayStation 2, Square Enix Yochi Wada showed a very impressive demo called "Final Fantasy VII: Technical Demo for PlayStation 3." The visually impressive demo showed a sequence of a cityscape, culminating with fan favorite Cloud jumping out of a train. However, Wada said the clip was "merely a sample" and Square Enix currently has no plans to release a remake of Final Fantasy VII for the PlayStation 3. However, he did say the series would arrive on the console in "some form."

Wada's presence at the PS3 launch was ironic, given that Microsoft announced Final Fantasy XI for the Xbox 360 just hours later. In fact, much of Sony's conference seemed designed to one-up the features of Microsoft's new console point by point.

Sony also emphasized that the PlayStation 3 would have similar online connectivity and services as the next generation of Xbox Live. Calling it "an always on, always connected device," Chatani said the PS3 would be constantly in touch with a "PlayStation World" network "fundamentally based on a on community, communication commerce, and content." He said that subscribers could "exchange unique characters and items through the network," much like Microsoft's Xbox Live Marketplace.

PLAYSTATION 3 SPECIFICATIONS

CPU: Cell Processor PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
--1 VMX vector unit per core
--512KB L2 cache
--7 x SPE @3.2GHz
--7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
--7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
--*1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
--Total floating point performance: 218 gigaflops

GPU RSX @ 550MHz
--1.8 TFLOPS floating point Performance
--Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
--Multi-way programmable parallel Floating point shader pipelines
--Sound Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-based processing)

MEMORY
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth Main RAM-- 25.6GB/s
VRAM--22.4GB/s
RSX-- 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

SYSTEM FLOATING POINT PERFORMANCE:
2 teraflops

STORAGE
--HDD Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
--I/O--USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
--Memory Stickstandard/Duo, PRO x 1
--SD standard/mini x 1
--CompactFlash(Type I, II) x 1

COMMUNICATION
--Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
--Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
--Bluetooth--Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
--ControllerBluetooth (up to 7)
--USB 2.0 (wired)
--Wi-Fi (PSP)
--Network (over IP)

AV OUTPUT
Screen size 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI out x 2
AV multi out x 1
Digital out (optical) x 1

DISC MEDIA
CD
PlayStation CD-ROM
PlayStation2 CD-ROM
CD-DA
CD-DA (ROM),
CD-R,
CD-RW
SACD Hybrid (CD layer),
SACD HD
DualDisc (audio side)
DualDisc (DVD side)
PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM
PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM
DVD-ROM
DVD-R
DVD-RW
DVD+R,
DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc
PlayStation 3 BD-ROM
BD-ROM
BD
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Revolution Impressions
LOS ANGELES -- Nintendo held its pre-E3 press conference this morning, and confirmed speculation that it would announce its contribution to next-generation gaming. Plans for its future console, Revolution, were revealed at a location on Hollywood Boulevard.
Nintendo is the last of the "Big Three" game console-makers to reveal its next-gen plans. Microsoft took the lid off its future console, the Xbox 360, last week, and Sony unveiled the PlayStation 3 yesterday at its pre-E3 conference.

To cheers from the crowd, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata proudly held a Revolution prototype aloft in his hand--but did not hook it up to any displays or turn it on. The Revolution design didn't follow suit with its curvaceous competitors, the concave Xbox 360 and convex PlayStation 3.

In fact, its simple rectangular design could be easily mistaken for a modem at first glance. However, like its competitors, the unit can stand vertically or lay supine. The black console (other optional colors are in the works) can fit snugly in a grey stand, where it is pitched upward at a slight angle for vertical positioning, or be removed and laid flat (and look eerily similar to Apple's Powerbook batteries).

Revolution's enigmatic controllers were not revealed, but they will be wireless. Rumors have been awash that the controllers will be unlike any before, possibly losing buttons in favor of touch screens or incorporating some sort of gyroscopic functions.

By Nintendo's own admission, according to a report from USA Today, the system is two to three times as powerful as its current-generation console, the GameCube. Sony's PlayStation 3, announced yesterday, is reportedly dozens of times powerful than its predecessor, the PlayStation 2.

However, Nintendo told the newspaper "It's not all about having 'turbo power', It's about what you do with it." What will it have to work with? Iwata did not reveal many of the game's specifications, but he did mention Revolution will have 512MB of onboard flash memory, and be expandable with two SD memory card slots.

Eschewing its previous business ideas, Revolution will be online-friendly, and support a broadband gaming service similar to that of Microsoft's Xbox Live. Its most significant contribution to online gaming will be the ability to download Nintendo's entire catalog of NES, SNES, and Nintendo 64 console games. As for GameCube titles have the potential to be downloadable, though it's not clear whether the games will be saved to storage devices or memory cards.

For those who would rather just pop in their hard copy of Mario Sunshine, Nintendo offers a simple solution: backward compatibility. As indicated before, Revolution, like the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, will be able to play all the games from the current-generation GameCube, as well as DVDs through its blue-LED-illuminated front-loading media drive, though the unit will require "an internal attachment" to play movies.

Nintendo announced that it has "big plans" for the Metroid franchise on Revolution and that Mario and Zelda games are already in the works. Iwata also stated that Square Enix is working on a Wi-Fi version of Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles.

Final Summaries
The XB360 is being shown up by the PS3, which will be overall more powerful than MS's new system. The release for the 360 is during the holidays, and the PS3 will be popping up in Spring 06 (I'm assuming right after E3). Meanwhile, the Revolution made a good case for itself - it's the size of the Mac Mini, is going to get SMALLER, and will be featuring interesting controllers (not sure what, but it's 80% sure) as well as "revolutionary" online capabilities that are meant to show up XBL. That's not the revolutionary part though - I'm assuming the controllers will be the Revolution, or something else. Don't know what, but hey, we'll find out by the end of the week.

Got questions? Post here and I'll answer them (or try to, but I can't guarantee speed of reply).

[Nemphtis]

After checking up with the Xbox360 when it was announced me and my clan begun a huge debate on what it's gonna have and what would be cool (you know, kinda like you fanboys do) and so far we're pretty impressed. Of course then there's the question of the PS3 and the Revolution. I believe the 360's Online feature will dominate over the others purely since Microsoft has always had the experience and they have the resources and reputation of Xbox Live.

I'm also excited about the new Xbox360's game lineup since it has two RPG's that will be developed by Square Enix and also they have announced to be considering releasing FFXI onto it as well.

Either way the 360 will be my first console purchase since I must buy it for the sake of EDGE's survival. :P

[Elliott]

My only gripe is that 360 looks like apiece of crap, and has a name to match.
"XBOX 2" would have been better, and just refined the current design (colour, slimmed it down and reduced width, weight etc.).

[Someone Else]

The Revolution looks like it'll be great. Face it, the GameCube didn't do well at all. I like how the Revolution can be propped onto it's side. :P

Why am I only talking about Revolution? No, I'm not a Nintendo Loyalist. My dad loves his TV and won't have a console be hooked into it, so I'll have to use a monitor with the revolution. <_<

[Nemphtis]

Agatio, on May 18 2005, 10:41 AM, said:

My only gripe is that 360 looks like apiece of crap, and has a name to match.
"XBOX 2" would have been better, and just refined the current design (colour, slimmed it down and reduced width, weight etc.).

Actually personally I like the new design, to each their own.

[Elliott]

It just seems rushed. Microsoft could have spent longer developing a cooler, sleeker, more "tech" design, which would have suited them better. And wtf is 360? When hearing 360, I half expected a spherical design.

[Nemphtis]

They had to use a name that was subtle and didn't make it look like the Xbox was behind in the console race. So 360 is the best they came up with.

Also I think the design wasn't rushed at all, let's face it, show me one current generation console where the design look utterly fascinating. Look at the PS2, and the gamecube, it's just a... cube... What's so non-rushed about a cube? I think they made a grat choice, I prefer cutting edge machines that give a simple look.

The signature design is the little curve inwards on each side which one journalist said "It feels as though it was created by a martial artist, drawing in a deep breath before unleashing its full power". I find that feeling true, and I think it's a good idea. They've also sticked to their controller routes alot as you can see, where as the PS3's controller if that's the official one looks like it was designed by an Australlian high on crack (No offense to you drug addicted Australlians out there, Agatio, Farmboy), the hell is up with that boomerang? Is that supposed to be innovative? "New feature! Now you can throw your controller in the air and watch it come back to you! Ohhhh!".

So, comparing it to other consoles for next gen and curent gen, I think there's nothing incredible or crappy about any of the designs personally.

[Andross]

The only "unique" design, IMO, is the Revolution's simply because it's going to be about the size of three DVDs stacked on one another, or something along those lines - that means it's going to be much much smaller than the Mac Mini.

It's not a final design either, so don't expect completely angled corners and only black colors.

[Nemphtis]

Yup, the most different looking one is the Rev since it has morphed from a cube to a cube flattened by a tank. :rolleyes:

Although at the moment it looks a bit "plain".

[Izar]

Here's a fact sheet on the XBOX 360.

http://www.xbox.com/...0/factsheet.htm

Look at the friggin' stuff it has. Looks like it's gunna own. :P

[Golden Legacy]

Is anybody aware of the backward compatability, if any, for the Xbox 360? I have heard from several sources that only "select" games from the original Xbox will be playable on the 360.

On another note, Revolution's capability for downloading 20 years of Nintendo games is amazing.

[Elliott]

That's where it will kick ass, old school ghamers will love it because they can relive their childhood memories by palying NES classics on it.

[Nemphtis]

All three next-gens are looking excellent. I will of course, buy all three in turn. I'll start with the 360 since I have a clan to run, and when the time comes we shall all need to switch over to Xbox Live on the 360. Then I'll probably get the PS3 since it will have alot of Konami and Square titles along with Capcom, finally I'll get the Rev to top it all off and play the Metroid and Zelda titles. :lol:

[Golden Legacy]

And do not forget Super Smash Brothers; it will be an online launch title for the Revolution!

[Elliott]

I voted 360 in the poll. May not ever get it, but it looks the best to.
Second would Revolution, cause I'd love to be able to play all the old school games on it.

[Nemphtis]

I nulled my vote since I plan on getting all three, and I am looking forward to each console for various reasons so it would be infair to choose one.

[Blink]

Rev for me. That blue light is very cool. Also, SSB has me hooked.

And if Halo 3 is the Halo 2 that was shown off at E3, not the one it turned out to be, then I'll be buying an X360.

[Elliott]

Apparantly Halo 3 is to be released the same day as PS3, or something like that. Smart marketing move.

[Andross]

Actually, it could be troublesome. Bungie had put out Halo 2 a bit early than they wanted to, for example, and there were flaws and bugs that made things unfair (weapon combos and whatnot). And now Gates comes out and says Halo 3 will be around by the PS3 without Bungie actually saying much.

No official announcement from Bungie is the problem here. If they were going to be releasing it by next year, it would be in development already - and that's just not the case. Expect some troubles for a bit along the lines of Halo 3. Who knows how POed Bungie will get after all...

[Elliott]

I think the last thing we need is to make an ongoing series of these games, I didn't like the first 2, and doubt a 3rd will be much better.

[Shadowed Freedom]

Golden Legacy, on May 29 2005, 04:49 PM, said:

Is anybody aware of the backward compatability, if any, for the Xbox 360? I have heard from several sources that only "select" games from the original Xbox will be playable on the 360.

On another note, Revolution's capability for downloading 20 years of Nintendo games is amazing.

Nah all will be compatable, your right about the revelution IM SO GETTING IT, better be better than the purple doorstop in my bedroom.

[Shadowed Freedom]

for all information including latest news, reviews and screenshots go here: http://elder01.probo...x.cgi?board=360 Im or1gon if you want to get in contact there aswell.

[Elliott]

Probably shouldn't double post, but oh well. Revolution looks great, if the backwards compatability thing IS true, I will definately get it. Though, any word on the price of older games? I think NES and SNES should be free to download, as they are all over the internet, then a small fee for 64, and a bit more for gamecube, as it was their latest system. Anywho, revolution sounds fantastic.

[Andross]

Agatio, on Jun 4 2005, 05:53 AM, said:

Probably shouldn't double post, but oh well. Revolution looks great, if the backwards compatability thing IS true, I will definately get it. Though, any word on the price of older games? I think NES and SNES should be free to download, as they are all over the internet, then a small fee for 64, and a bit more for gamecube, as it was their latest system. Anywho, revolution sounds fantastic.

Guess what: You're right. Or that's what it sounds like - ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL classic ninty games will be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE to download! MUWAHAHAHA! ANNNNND, online play will be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE! XBox Live, fear for yourself! :P

The backwards compatability with GCN is already confirmed, and they have that render of the 8 different colors of the console after all, so it shouldn't be limited to two colors at launch. It'll still be a doorstop though, seeing as it will be the size of three DVD cases stacked on each other, lol.

There's also those crazy rumors and that one video (Nintendo ON) that there's some virtual reality thingy...blah blah blah....US patents stuff.....more blah....who the hell knows. I just want to know WTF the revolution about the system IS.

[Elliott]

Maybe they are refering to the backwards compatability? It's a revolution as no other system can do that ('cept PS2 can play PS1 games, but that's nowhere near as good). And FREE TO DOWNLOAD!!! I am sooooooo there :P .

[Golden Legacy]

Andross, this has not been confirmed by Nintendo yet. It was an article published in the Japanese gaming magazine, Famitsu, but again, no official word. But even if downloadable Nintendo games will come at a price, expect it to be quite small.

On another note, the Revolution currently has the highest anticipation in Japan, according to a poll conducted by Famitsu.

Revolution - 43%
PS3 - 34%
Xbox 360 - 23%

Note that these are the updated figures released by Famitsu. Refer to Nintendojo.com for more details (one of the news posts).

[Elliott]

Well Nintendo is a Japanese corporation, and Microsoft is American, also, Japanese people all play Nintendo, so those figures really don't mean a whole lot, I get the Feeling Xbox will pwn down here, as it crushed all other systems first time around.

[Golden Legacy]

The significance of those figures is that the Revolution managed to best the PlayStation 3, even by a small degree, considering that the Revolution has not been fully revealed yet. Japanese gamers site the console's small size and mysterious element as the source of their anticipation.

But yes, I agree, figures are simply figures, and mean little.

[Mars Djinni]

What I'm looking forward to is the new design for the controller of Revolution. All the technology at the hands of Nintendo seem to be very prominent. To keep secret the products true nature probably raises most of the anticipation.

[Blink]

Meh, I'm not too excited about the controller. It'll be awesome, and I needn't know more. It will work with all the old games, and hopefully the Rev will have a lightgun controller too, since SNES and NES had Duckhunt like games, and people want that. Anyways, I'm more interested in the character list for SSB online.

[Nemphtis]

I really can't be bothered sitting here speculating on what console will own the other, it's the same **** every generation with the only exception being the name of the consoles changing.

All I want to say is that having a free online service won't mean that it will be good. Look at PS2 online, it was free and yet people prefer to pay for Xbox LIVE and get quality for their money (let's face it, £40 a year isn't that much) where as Sony made it free but a worse service.

Of course that is just my opinion, I can't say if LIVE will be better but as far as I am aware there is a Gold and a Platinum pack for LIVE. The Gold pack is FREE for all Xbox360 users, the Platinum is the PAID version.

[Blink]

Indeed, if I get a used Xbox360(probably will for cheap), I'll be using silver service, not golden. So what if it's only on weekends, I'll be able to play on my Nintendo Revolution on weeknights, enjoying classic pick up and play titles like Melee, Animal Crossing and Mario Kart. Then on weekends, I'll play the long hour RPGs and FPSs Xbox is known for. Variety over the week, and some good, different genres on the weekend.

[Nemphtis]

Sounds like a good plan, but since I have a clan to look out for, I have to make sure I have the Gold pack and the 360 as soon as it's released. When the next gens come out, it will be clear who my hardcore loyal members are. ;D

[Elliott]

Revolution just sounds like an awesome system to me. If I could get that hooked up to my monitor, I would never leave my room. Download games, chuck em on the revolution, then play away, sounds fantastic. Get to re-live the old classics from NES and SNES, as well as play some of the 64 games that I missed out on. And the size is great too, 3 DVD cases stacked? That's awesome <_< .

[Blink]

Well, if I get a new PC(not a laptop, but one with a core and stuff) then this will be what my setup looks like for the next generation of gaming. I'm getting a really nice TV to hang in my closet(so it's hidden when I'm not using it) in my room. This is the general idea:
http://www.get--a--life.com/OTHER/nextgensetup.jpg

And it will actually be that clean! I just cleaned my closet yesterday, and I was able to empty half of it!!

[theblueflames]

Here's how I think it will be: The Revolution will beat out the PS3, but lose to the 360. I am personally waiting on the Revolution, but I think I'll also be getting a 360, I mean, Perfect Dark Zero! ^_^ . The Revolutions ability to download all older games from Nintendo's previous systems is simply amazing. And all for free!

[Andross]

Too soon to tell who will win, but my bet is that if Nintendo doesn't pull out a jaw dropper, they won't beat out PS3.

BUT

The PS3 is rumored to be priced at $399. And with other people saying that the 360 will run a price drop during PS3 launch AND release Halo 3, AND the Revolution has rumors circulating that it will launch in surprise fashion right before PS3, things could get tricky. In addition, if the PS3 launches with that price tag, the estimate is that they'll have to sustain a $2 billion loss in revenue. Even for a company like Sony, that's steep.

[theblueflames]

I was totally unimpressed with the PS3 at E3(My brother went.), it doesn't even have any good games or graphics. 360 turned right around, I never liked Xbox before that.

[Someone Else]

I believe that the Xbox 360 will get the most sales (Xbox being as popular as it is), but the Revolution will have the best satisfaction for the ability to download old games. And if it's as innovative as it claims to be.

PS3 will probably kick arse too, but I haven't heard, seen or read much.

[Andross]

theblueflames, on Jun 29 2005, 10:21 PM, said:

I was totally unimpressed with the PS3 at E3(My brother went.), it doesn't even have any good games or graphics. 360 turned right around, I never liked Xbox before that.

PS3, bad graphics? You're seriously out of your mind, the PS3 may not have shown us what it can do, but the graphics will certainly be on par with the 360. It unfortunately has fewer games to talk of, but you should consider the fact that its launch is still a year away, while the 360 is being launched in a mere 5 - 6 months. Of course the 360 is going to have more games, it needs launch titles after all ^_^

[Golden Djinn13]

I still think that the 360 is coming out to early. If it doesn't have good games at its launch, then it is seriously in trouble.

[theblueflames]

Andross, on Jun 29 2005, 11:02 PM, said:

PS3, bad graphics? You're seriously out of your mind, the PS3 may not have shown us what it can do, but the graphics will certainly be on par with the 360. It unfortunately has fewer games to talk of, but you should consider the fact that its launch is still a year away, while the 360 is being launched in a mere 5 - 6 months. Of course the 360 is going to have more games, it needs launch titles after all ;)

The graphics on the PS3 at E3 were nearly all Pre-rendered, hardly any real time, even if the Head(Wish I knew his name ^_^ ) of Sony says they were real time, I don't believe it.

[Andross]

theblueflames, on Jun 30 2005, 12:59 PM, said:

The graphics on the PS3 at E3 were nearly all Pre-rendered, hardly any real time, even if the Head(Wish I knew his name  ^_^ ) of Sony says they were real time, I don't believe it.

Maybe you should pay attention to my sentence more carefully, I already acknowledged they didn't have real-time gfx - neither did the 360 have any. But what, are you expecting crap from an nVidia RSX chip, AKA, 7800GTX on 'roids?

[Golden Djinn13]

I just have a feeling, that out of these systems, the Revolution will beat the 360. I think that Nintendo learned from there mistakes of making the Gamecube to childish and they made it a system for a more mature audience instead of just kids ( for there sake, they better have ^_^ )

[theblueflames]

Andross, on Jun 30 2005, 03:04 PM, said:

Maybe you should pay attention to my sentence more carefully, I already acknowledged they didn't have real-time gfx - neither did the 360 have any. But what, are you expecting crap from an nVidia RSX chip, AKA, 7800GTX on 'roids?

Ack, your right, I read that wrong, sorry 'bout that. ^_^

[Blade Lord Lyn]

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I just have a feeling, that out of these systems, the Revolution will beat the 360. I think that Nintendo learned from there mistakes of making the Gamecube to childish and they made it a system for a more mature audience instead of just kids ( for there sake, they better have sleep.gif )

There's nothing "childish" about Gamecube. If you can't play a game just because there isn't blood spilling all over the place, then that's just stupid. Games are about having fun, and if the games fun, it doesn't matter how "mature" it is.

[Someone Else]

^ Amen to dat, brudda.

But the truth is, look how popular the 'Box is, and look at how many Mature titles there are. Just goes to show you what people go for.

[Venus_Man1]

One of the smartest things I've ever heard, BLL. I've never even bothered if a game is for babies. But, everyone doesn't think like that. To me, the Nintendo Revolution looks VERY good.

[Golden Legacy]

Likewise; Nintendo's philiosophy has always been about providing stellar, innovative gaming, which is what it promises with the Revolution.

[My Best Wishes]

To be honest i'm backing ps3.But after spending the last while reading and viewing previews i'm going to wait till their all out, see whats cheapest. And what games are coming out for what. Plus to see if any of them can be chipped cos i don't spend $80-$100 on games. Rather put money to better use.
All the buzz on 'Revolution' still sounds like a waste to me.

[Golden Legacy]

Well, if you are going the decision of buying among the three consoles based on price, Revolution will almost certainly be your choice; Nintendo has historically, and continues, to be a "cost-friendly" manufacturer.

Revolution is speculated to be at least 100, if not more, US dollars less than the competition at launch. Its software should likewise also be cheaper.

[Blink]

I can't wait for the 360 actually. My cube is getting dusty, with only Twilight Princess coming to mine in late 05, and it's too late for me to get an Xbox(based on value), so the 360 is coming right when other gamers need it most. Then again, I'll probably wait til the first price drop to get one.

[My Best Wishes]

Again i'm looking for the games. Whatever company lands Square i will most likely buy. I want new FF and new KH games. And again price, i understand that Nintendo wants 'a affordable' console.

[Blink]

Actually, Square is going into a bit of a Third Party mode. They're putting an outdated copy of FFIX(I think, it's the MMORPG one) onto the 360, and they're making a new online version of Crystal Chronicals for the Rev. But, Sony will probably still have the majority of Square.

[Golden Djinn13]

I heard of the final fantasy game being put on Xbox 360, but i think it will do better on Xbox, since it has Xbox live and everything.

[Golden Legacy]

It is worth noting that Sony Computer Entertainment owned a considerable portion of the original Squaresoft, and even after the merge with Enix, it still maintains a hold over the company.

At E3 2005, there was a Final Fantasy VII Tech Demo running on PlayStation 3 hardware (supposedly). However, Square-Enix insists that they are not developing a remake of the game.

[Golden Djinn13]

Out of all the Final Fantasy games, I never really found FF 7 to be as great as everyone told me it was, but if it does come out for the PS3 I guess I would play it.

[Neon]

I've read around the net from reliable sources that Nintendo will be revealing the revolution and the revolution controller on September 16 at the Tokyo Game Show (or whatever it is that's on :P). I hope this is true, i'm interested in seeing what it is.
They may not show any games though. Just hardware.

[TheEnglishman]

I'm really interested about what the Nintendo revolution will be like especially with the Gamecube being the least popular of the current consoles ( which I'm not happy about but there isn't much I can do about it).
As long as it doesn't end up like the Dreamcast then Nintendo should be fine.

[Blink]

Neon, on Aug 30 2005, 05:51 AM, said:

They may not show any games though. Just hardware.

No, Nintendo said that when they showed the hardware, it would be a hands on experience. So, whenever we see it, as soon as we do, we'll get a full report.

[lifeform287]

I've read at the game show coming up in Tokyo, Nintendo is planning to show the Revolution's controller. I wonder what it will look like...

[Sea of Time]

I just voted and I voted for the N. Rev. This is because it seems the most appealing because it will offer the WiFi gaming, and you can play games from any former Nintendo system. If that game is made by Nintendo, it is free! That is awesome. The XBox 360 looks like something that will have a great Live feature but no good games, and the PS3 looks awesome but will be really, REALLY pricy.

[Andross]

^ No.

The previous Ninty games will NOT be free. Second, remember, you'll need a suitable router in order to make the WiFi work.

Also, the 360 having no good games? Careful, your fanboyism is showing. And you can't say the PS3 will be pricy w/o noting the 360 either - when it comes down to it, the 360 will cost you $600 if you want:

The initial $400 package w/a hard drive
Two to three launch games
Payments for XBL
Other accessories

Or if you get the $300 package w/o a hard drive, you still need to pay almost $200 for a couple of games, another controller, and a decent flash memory stick - and buying the hard drive later on will be more expensive in the end actually.

I have a bad feeling about the moves MS and PS3 are pulling with their "hardware costs" though, because an 80GB HDD does not cost $100. I can get an effing 200GB SATA for that much!!!!

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, I don't know whether to hate Nintendo or love them. *blushes* My fanboyism is showing! Anyways, routers for the WiFi shouldn't be too hard to get, should they, or will they have to make "special" ones to work with the N. Rev.

[Eugine]

http://www.gamespot....ws_6133335.html

The Nintendo controller, I'm going and sleep now so I can't type up anything. Read everything about it on the link.

[Crimson Barrel Knight]

Bah. Eugine beat me to it. XD

Welp, there you have it folks; a remote control. Doesn't look good, but it works.

[Someone Else]

An interesting concept, for sure. Although, I really don't like how an analog stick has to be attached rather than being on the remote controller already. I hope that Nintendo offers Gamepads as an option as well. =/

[TheEnglishman]

I know that if I got the revolution my Dad would complain. He already moans about how many remote controls we have!

[Sea of Time]

The remote control design is very smart, everybody has used the television remote control and anyone can use this! Anyhoo, don't you all think there's a shortage of buttons? Where are Y, X, L, or R? Just a thought.

[Someone Else]

Yes, too short of buttons. I *REALLY* don't like the remote control idea...

[Andross]

One phrase:
wtf @ Nintendo

[Eugine]

Uh... I actually like it LOL. I think it's something new, plus from what I read you could still use it like a normal controller. One thing I don't like like WD and SOFT (hmm?) pointed out is that it lacks button IMO.

[Aquamarine]

I think it both looks good and will play well. It doesn't really need a lot of buttons since it will have attachments and detects tilting and movements, so they will probably try and make that the main part of the controls, not the buttons.

[Someone Else]

But what if you dropped the control and it detected the movement? Might mess you up on the game depending on what the movement does.

And the attachment feature seems, well, awkward. I like my Anolog Sticks already on the controller, thank you. Seriously, one hand for the Analog Stick and the other for the remote? Seems kinda clumsy to me. =/

But I guess we won't know until it's actually released. I hated the idea of a Touch Screen on the DS, and guess what? It works like a charm and I love it. ;)

[Echo_djinn]

Haha, Nintendo's new controller looks like the Ipod Mini. They should have just continued with the small size GC controller. I hope they will make a bigger version of this controller for people with big fingers. It looks to small to be of any use.

[Someone Else]

Haha, I thought Ipod Mini when I saw it as well.

Anyway, that was probably an adult-sized hand dealing with the controller, ED.

[Eugine]

You never know, an attachment might just be a wireless GameCube (upgraded version).

[Someone Else]

You support Nintendo a little TOO much, you realise that, right Eugine? D:

Anyway, yes it may be alright. And it might not.

[Eugine]

Oh I do ;)

LOL, my GC has the least games for any system, if I'm getting a new handheld it will be the PSP, and darn... I hate Pokemon ;)

[Someone Else]

Come to think of it, didn't somebody say that the GameCube controller would be compatible with the Revolution?

[Sea of Time]

I don't think the GC controller would work on the N. Rev because there's no controller input thingers. Mayhaps the Wavebird controllers would work.

Commenting on the ipod mini look, I think Nintendo is jumping on this pearly white color that apple is doing and putting all their new stuff in that.

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

Bah, I still think the remote control design is good enough, but it's not as revolutionary as Nintendo said it would've been.

But you get to use it sideways, too. =D

[TheEnglishman]

Zaffa Dot Xom, on Sep 18 2005, 05:34 AM, said:

Bah, I still think the remote control design is good enough, but it's not as revolutionary as Nintendo said it would've been.

I agree. Surely if it is revolutionary it should be something different to what you would usually see. This is just like a remote control with a few changes.

[Someone Else]

Well, it's obvious that Nintendo is going for a new "objective". No longer are they going for "hard core" gaming like they were in their Nintendo 64 days (ah... the 64...). Now it's about being a form of entertainment friendly for a wide variety of fans, from your mom to your old Aunt Mary. This is probably why the Game Cube sucked, they didn't meet their objective well.

When they designed the Revolution controller, they probably wanted to make something that didn't look big and confusing.

All I have to say is, what about us real gamers? D:

[Andross]

Wind Dude, on Sep 17 2005, 01:15 PM, said:

Come to think of it, didn't somebody say that the GameCube controller would be compatible with the Revolution?

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/651/651559/understanding-the-revolution-controller-20050916041026412-000.jpg

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there's no controller input thingers.

HAHAHAHAHAHA no.

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/522/522559/igncubes-nintendo-revolution-faq-20050525023043410.jpg

[Someone Else]

Thank god. A REAL controller.

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

http://www.goldensun-syndicate.net/forum/public/style_images/gssv3/snapback.png' alt='View Post' />Andross, on Sep 18 2005, 08:28 PM, said:

No offense, but that looks photoshopped. I didn't even see it on the IGN website.

[Someone Else]

Check the Properties. The image is from "http://cubemedia.ign.com"

[Eugine]

That's real Zaffa. Nintendo confirmed that you can play with the original GC controller, that picture is a mock up though.

http://cube.ign.com/...1/651559p1.html

Read up.

[Andross]

http://revtruth.ytmnd.com/

[Sea of Time]

Whoever did that is a genius, I'll give him that.

You know, after seeing that, I think I'm ready for a change. Maybe it will flop or maybe it won't, but whatever happens I'm behind the Revolution 100%.

[TheEnglishman]

Sea_of_Time, on Sep 19 2005, 05:58 PM, said:

You know, after seeing that, I think I'm ready for a change. Maybe it will flop or maybe it won't, but whatever happens I'm behind the Revolution 100%.

I think I'll wait to see what the games are like before I go with the revolution.
I'd like it to do well but then again I thought the Dreamcast would do well, and we all know what happened there.

[Sea of Time]

This is a lot different than the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was made by Sega in an in between time between the N64 and the PS2. It wasn't meant to last because once the PS2 came out, it was so outmatched it just died out.

If what we've seen is any indication the N. Rev will compete with the PS3 (and the XBox 360) so it won't flop like the Dreamcast.

No offence to Dreamcasters, Soul Calibur was awesome!

[TheEnglishman]

Sea_of_Time, on Sep 19 2005, 08:47 PM, said:

This is a lot different than the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was made by Sega in an in between time between the N64 and the PS2. It wasn't meant to last because once the PS2 came out, it was so outmatched it just died out.

If what we've seen is any indication the N. Rev will compete with the PS3 (and the XBox 360) so it won't flop like the Dreamcast.

No offence to Dreamcasters, Soul Calibur was awesome!

You've got a good point there. I suppose you are right.
I really would have liked dreamcast to have succedd but it doesn't matter. I find it ironic that my dreamcast broke the other day but the mega drive ( which is a lot older ) still works fine.

[Sea of Time]

Even though it's Sega, it's still a solid machine! XD

As an add-on to what I said last, the Revolution will succeed just due to the sheer magnitude of Nintendophiles out there! Millions of people will buy it whether it's good or not just because they trust Nintendo.

[TheEnglishman]

Sea_of_Time, on Sep 19 2005, 08:59 PM, said:

Even though it's Sega, it's still a solid machine! XD

As an add-on to what I said last, the Revolution will succeed just due to the sheer magnitude of Nintendophiles out there! Millions of people will buy it whether it's good or not just because they trust Nintendo.

'Even though it's Sega'... is there something wrong with them? :(
I agree ( again ) with what you say but Nintendo still need to be careful. They need to keep coming up with good games to match those on the other market. I think they will be good but I wouldn't mind them coming up with a new and original series for the machine. I know that Gamecube had Pikmin but I personally didn't think much of it.

[Sea of Time]

I kid the Sega people, Sonic rules!

Anyhoo, Pikmin wasn't great, I agree with you there, but they might not have to have an original idea if the new games of existing series' are "revolutionized" :(

[TheEnglishman]

Really it's the older sonic games that rule more. The decision to give the characters voices is a bad one! :(
Anyway back on topic..
I wouldn't mind seeing old games being 'revolutionized' but I want to play something new and different! At the same time I want to have something that isn't so different that I can't understand what is going on.

I ask for lot...

[Sea of Time]

Myself, I don't really care. All I want is a new SSB game and a new Zelda game. That's all I ask.

I ask a little. :(

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

Though, I agree with SoT on the Sega thing; they made some pretty bad decisions back then. Though, it's not to say that I don't thank them for doing their best. They made some semi-revolutionary franchises out there. =D

[Andross]

Sea_of_Time, on Sep 19 2005, 02:47 PM, said:

This is a lot different than the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was made by Sega in an in between time between the N64 and the PS2. It wasn't meant to last because once the PS2 came out, it was so outmatched it just died out.

If what we've seen is any indication the N. Rev will compete with the PS3 (and the XBox 360) so it won't flop like the Dreamcast.

No offence to Dreamcasters, Soul Calibur was awesome!

Eh? Dude, the Dreamcast was better than the PS2 in several areas, for all of its features and developer-friendly kits. Unfortunately, horrible marketing on Sega's part is what killed the system, not any type of PS2 superiority (because early on, the PS2 had crap games). Sony also managed to get more developers on-board in the end (EA never developed for the DC after all).

[TheEnglishman]

Well whatever you think about the dreamcast I think everyone would agree that in the end it failed.
If sega were to try again (though they probably never will) they would know what not to do and what they needed to change.

[Sea of Time]

Andross, on Sep 19 2005, 09:05 PM, said:

Eh? Dude, the Dreamcast was better than the PS2 in several areas, for all of its features and developer-friendly kits. Unfortunately, horrible marketing on Sega's part is what killed the system, not any type of PS2 superiority (because early on, the PS2 had crap games). Sony also managed to get more developers on-board in the end (EA never developed for the DC after all).

Well, for one, the PS2 had a lot better graphics. Plus, Sony marketed it really well and it was very successful.

Does anyone think that the N. Rev will be more successful than other Nintendo systems?

[TheEnglishman]

I think they will have more success with this machine. However I will still wait until I see what the games are like before I pass any real judgement.

[Sea of Time]

Me too, hopefully we'll be seeing screens of some games before the end of the year! Does anyone have any info on this?

[Someone Else]

Nope. It's too early to say that if it will get on any better than the rest of the competition. If they get enough RPGs this time (from memory GCN had only a handful or so) it'll do well.

[Andross]

Sea_of_Time, on Sep 20 2005, 02:28 PM, said:

Well, for one, the PS2 had a lot better graphics. Plus, Sony marketed it really well and it was very successful.

Does anyone think that the N. Rev will be more successful than other Nintendo systems?

Eh, not really - most games on both systems had graphics which were up to par with each other.

As for the N. Rev's success, I don't think Ninty will ever top the SNES.

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, now they have some real competition. :(

If there are some great RPG's for the system it would do really well, there are some great possibilities for the games with the controller design.

[Nickelback]

Sea_of_Time, on Sep 20 2005, 06:19 AM, said:

Myself, I don't really care. All I want is a new SSB game and a new Zelda game. That's all I ask.

I ask a little. :(

Thats the problem with Nintendo. They just keep remaking the same games. Zelda, Mario, Mario tennis, Mario Karts, Mario party I think up to number 5 or something. Same old games, Metriod Pinball!

The Revolution will compete better then the gamecube did, and the 64 did. I still think due to the lack of success with the gamecube Sony and Microsoft will be out in front, the Nintendo fans out there will keep Nintendo alive tho.

[TheEnglishman]

Wind Dude, on Sep 20 2005, 11:28 PM, said:

If they get enough RPGs this time (from memory GCN had only a handful or so) it'll do well.

I hope as well they include more RPGs.
Then again the ones they did have weren't bad (Paper Mario, Tales of Symphonia etc).
I would really like it if new Final Fantasy games would go on the system but it probably won't happen.

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

As far as I know, Nintendo didn't really hit so big--nor did they delve into RPGs more--on their home consoles, but the GameBoy has, moreover.

It would be nice if the Revolution made-up for that loss.

[Someone Else]

Hah, check this out.

http://www.vgcats.com/news/remote.gif

A sword attachment for the remote? Heh, wouldn't that be something.

[Sea of Time]

That would be great. It would make RPG's a lot more fun. Zelda games would be great too. The possibilities are endless, that's what's good about the Rev.

[Someone Else]

Well, it'd certainly be a work out for those obese kids that we all know play video games all the time.

I dunno, I still feel awkward saying "roll over" out loud to my Miniature Schnauzer in Nintendogs. I'll probably feel even more foolish waving a remote in the air to make Link do an upper cut. It's just that I'm so used to the traditional button-bashing of video games, and I'm just not ready to give that up. D:

[Sea of Time]

And that's why Nintendo will have an add-on piece, for people not ready for change like you or me.

[Golden Djinn13]

Nintendo really is coming up with some unique things for to make there games stand out.

[Eugine]

Well WD that's why they made the GC look-a-like controller. For people like you. :P

[Sea of Time]

And me!

I'm really not an innovation kind of a guy but I'm hoping the Rev will change my mind. However, I am ready for a change and this will give it to me. Until I'm ready to switch, the add-on GCN controller will get me through.

[Golden Djinn13]

I'm not really all that excited about the rev (believe it or not)

I really can't wait for the PS3, thats what I have to get ( to accomplish my life goal :P )

[Sea of Time]

You know, I really, REALLY look forward to the Gran Turismo game they put on the PS3. I understand all that pre-rendered crap at E3 might not be exactly what it looks like, but it'll be good.

Oh yeah, and Bluetooth controllers with up to seven people playing at once? That is sweet, Sony has outdone themselves this time. But what about the price?....

[Someone Else]

Actually, from what I get from the things I've read, you'll still have to wave the GC Controller attachment around to play Rev. games efficiently.

[TheEnglishman]

I'm interested in PS3 but I think the design could be better. Some people have said it looks like a sandwich toaster and the controller is a bit like a boomerang. Then again they may change it before it is released.

[Sea of Time]

Wind Dude, on Sep 22 2005, 06:49 PM, said:

Actually, from what I get from the things I've read, you'll still have to wave the GC Controller attachment around to play Rev. games efficiently.

What about a GCN controller? Will those only be compatible with GC games.

[Eugine]

I don't know if you have to wave the GC controller.

The PS3 is my most antisipated system out of the three currently. Alot of the games I play are announced for PS3 only.

[Golden Djinn13]

I can't wait for the PS3 (Im just as excited for it, the same way I was for the psp)

I also wanted the 360, but not that much, because I don't really like a lot of xbox games,
only the really good ones like Halo (of course) and others

[Sea of Time]

The 360 will have a great online mode, but until they announce a Halo for it, I'm not enticed at all.

[Someone Else]

The GCN Controller Attachement will most definetly be required for GCN Games. I don't have evidence, but it's sorta obvious. :P

[Sea of Time]

So this means you can't use the original GCN controller (not the attachment) on the Revolution? It would be kinda pointless since they have an attachment.

[Someone Else]

Eh? Sorry, I mixed up.

As Andross has shown, there is a part of the Revolution that has those controller input plugger thingamabobbers. Probably, that's where you can plug in your GCN controllers, which would ofcourse be required to play GCN games.

The GCN Attachment for the remote might work too. Probably not, however, due to compatability problems. e.g the touch screen on the Nintendo DS doesn't work on GBA games. Sorta like that.

[Sea of Time]

It probably will work, IMO because they want to appeal to audiences that don't have GC's. Plus, GC games will probably be cheaper than Revolution games.

Has anyone even factored in game costs, they will probably be a lot more.

[Andross]

Sea_of_Time, on Sep 23 2005, 05:50 PM, said:

It probably will work, IMO because they want to appeal to audiences that don't have GC's. Plus, GC games will probably be cheaper than Revolution games.

Has anyone even factored in game costs, they will probably be a lot more.

I believe the number was 7 to 11 million to produce a next-gen game. Though that's only with 360 and PS3 factored in, because anything that requires hi-res HD by default is going to cost. Thus, it wouldn't be surprising to see the cost go from $50 to $60.

Note: It's called a shell people, not a GCN attachment :lol: And the inputs shown on the Revo are for the Revo controller. Pretty obvious, considering that Nintendo isn't going to sell 4 controllers out of the box, and there actually needs to be a receiver you can plug in to.

[Sea of Time]

OK, so $60 isn't so bad a price is it? I know that up here Mario Kart: Double Dash was going for that price when it first came out.

The shell will make most gamers happy too.

[Someone Else]

Right, thanks Andross, a shell.

Well, then if Andross is right, I guess the GC Shell will be the one that controls GC games, aye?

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, I see no point in having GC controller compatibility if the buttons are the same on the shell.

[Andross]

You guys need to read more...the shell is meant to offer gamers a traditional gaming experience - for those who "don't want to dive into the deep end." The shell will be made compatible for Revo games, not just backwards compatibility.

[Someone Else]

Hm, sorry, that's what I meant, backwards compatibility and vice versa.

[Sea of Time]

Andross, on Sep 25 2005, 08:20 AM, said:

You guys need to read more...the shell is meant to offer gamers a traditional gaming experience - for those who "don't want to dive into the deep end." The shell will be made compatible for Revo games, not just backwards compatibility.

I realize that it will be compatible with Revo games. I was wondering if the shell would be backwards compatible at all.

[Izar]

All the new systems look like good improvements. I'm really hoping for the XBOX 360 and PS3, which have games lined up that I would love to play.

[Sea of Time]

Is there any word yet on a Halo 3?

[Andross]

No. But it's guaranteed to be coming. Otherwise, Gates is dead.

[Sea of Time]

Well, Project Gotham Racing is a good selling franchise, he won't be dead. :lol:

[Laharl]

would have gone for revolution, but the GC was pretty dissapointing true there were some great games, but they where few and far between, anyway i must follow Square and Nippon, who be released mostly for PS3

[Blink]

Anyone else think the Revo will follow the DS and get tons of great games?(Nintendogs, Meteos, Kirby Canvas Curse, Advance Wars DS, Mario Kart DS, Metroid Hunters, Animal Crossing Wild World) Because so far, the DS has a ton of games that I really really anticipate.

[Sea of Time]

For me, the DS really only has 1 and that's Mario Kart DS. I would love to play Mario Kart on WiFi, but I don't think I will be buying a DS just to play Mario Kart.

[huimi]

Blink, on Nov 12 2005, 05:42 AM, said:

Anyone else think the Revo will follow the DS and get tons of great games?(Nintendogs, Meteos, Kirby Canvas Curse, Advance Wars DS, Mario Kart DS, Metroid Hunters, Animal Crossing Wild World) Because so far, the DS has a ton of games that I really really anticipate.

I think so.
And I think REV will get even more great games.

[Sea of Time]

I hope so too. They can really capitalize on the controller by convincing some third party companies to make FPS's.

About third parties, how many do you think will actually make games for a system so different from the other two?

[huimi]

Maybe very many.
You can find examples in DS.
TO make games for REV maybe a challenge, for the interesting controller.
But now most companies have show their interesting in the controller.
I think to make games for REV would not be very hard, since Nintendo should make it easy to.
And REV can also use the classical controller, so the controller should be a big problem.
In Japan, Capcom has a very good relationship with Nintendo, so I think it will make good games for example a new Resident Evil for REV; Square Enix have already said it will make a new FFCC game for REV; EA games show interesting in making games for REV; Ubisoft ... etc.

I'm looking forward to more details for REV.

[Sea of Time]

Of course, Sega also has a good relationship with Nintendo. We'll probably see a few Sonic titles for the Rev too.