[Sea of Time]

I'm kind of a neat freak, and with E3 on the horizon, I see a whole bunch of news topics also on the horizon. So why not bunch them all into one?

If you have any news from E3, late breaking stuff, you can post it here. Make sure that the news hasn't been posted before you do.

You can discuss all the news here as well!

So, welcome to E3 2006!

[Aquamarine]

Step right up folks! Tickets for this topic are only $9.99! Please enjoy yourselves!

I bet I'm gonna get a warning for this... But it was worth it! :rolleyes:

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, it's all the fun of E3, without the insane 16 hour waiting lines.

[Saturos S.]

Dude, I can't wait to read the reports, see the reports and start jumping up and down on my chair screaming 'OMG!!!' at every new stand that they show on the tv.

One day, I'll be there myself....

[Someone Else]

I'm looking forward to LEGO Star Wars 2 and NWN 2 the most. I'm indifferent at everything else.

[Echo_djinn]

Halo 3, Splinter Cell 4, Killzone PS3, Legend of Zelda TP, it's all just to sick.

[TheEnglishman]

http://uk.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid...9365&pid=931658
That's the latest thing I've heard,(probably the last thing I'll hear before I go to bed). The Tony Hawks games don't surprise me.

[Golden Djinn13]

I'm looking forward to PS3/PSP, Xbox 360 stuff, Final Fantasy XIII, and anything else that may interest me.

[Golden Legacy]

Two new Wii titles from Square Enix!

http://revolution.ig...5/705715p1.html

[Echo_djinn]

What is Wii exactly? Explain.

[Mars Djinni]

Wii is Revolution, more or less. Anything on Camelot worth hearing?

[Eugine]

Final Fantasy XIII for the PS3 exclusively!
http://ps3.ign.com/o...826/826843.html

That's not all... It's sequel
Final Fantasy Versus XIII!
http://ps3.ign.com/a...5/705665p1.html

COME ON, BOTH LOOKS AWESOME!

[Toasty]

HOW THE **** DOES FF HAVE SUCH GOOD GRAPHICS?!? Those characters could almost be mistaken for real people!

Oh, and Wii is the new name for the revolution. Personally, I think they would've been better off calling it the pretty pink powerhouse.

[Mars Djinni]

Dang, that's hot. I hear PS3's remaking FFVII, too.

[Toasty]

Here's a link to all the games so far showed at E3 ( I think ) on IGN.com

http://www.ign.com/e3/2006/games/

[Blink]

Dang. Eugine's got a point. They look as good as Advent Children. Sony wasn't dinkin around this time about Toy Story graphics or whatnot. xD

Then again...it looks like the load times and/or framerate could really, really suck with something that graphically intense. I gotta see in game shots before I believe it to be running true. I mean come on, we all remember Killzone 2.

[Golden Djinn13]

OMG...Im gonna start searching for more screenshots on those games, and I doubt the load times will be that long for those games. Well, at least im hoping.

[Echo_djinn]

Pfft, if you ask me it looks the graphics same as FFX and so on. There has been an improvement but just a bit.

[Toasty]

I'm looking forward to SSB & hopefully GS3 for the....Wii.....and I'm hoping we'll get screens for them as well.

[Golden Legacy]

Remember, don't get confused, it could possibly be a CG video sequence running on PS3. But regardless, its graphics are fantastic, yes.

[Someone Else]

That's probably it. The camera angle looks a bit weird for it to be a gameplay screenshot.

[Eugine]

It's not CG:

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According to the press release, the entire trailer was rendered in-game,

OMG, I have terrible yet great news...

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He then holds up the final PS3 controller. It's a silver DualShock with a little black button in the middle with the classic PlayStation logo. He asks Harrison to demonstrate what the controller can do. A demo trailer shows a crate, hopping around of its own accord. It breaks open and the PS3 controller is inside. He lifts the controller up, and the controller on the screen lifts up. With no external sensor required, he can move the controller in six degrees of movement.

Sony RIPPED of Nintendo, only to do it better :rolleyes: (joke)... Yeah, it's kind of terrible.

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Hirai takes the stage once again and recaps what's been seen so far. Then he announces the global launch details. It will be available in two versions: one with a 60GB hard drive, and one with 20GB. It will launch in the US on November 17 for $499 ($549 CDN) for the 20GB version and $599 ($659 CDN) for the 60GB one. The machine will launch in Japan on November 11 with the 20GB version fetching 59,800 yen, and the 60GB one bearing an "open price," which means retailers will set the price themselves. Europe and Australia will also get the mahcine on November 17, with the 20GB version running for 499 euros, and the 60GB configuration going for 599 euros. Hirai thanked the audience and invited them to get their hands on PS3 games at kiosks throughout the hall.

This post has been edited by Eugine: 08 May 2006 - 08:09 PM

[Someone Else]

Pssh, edit your post to make you support the controller?

How exactly is Sony doing it "better" anyway? We haven't really seen what the Wii remote can do. As far as we know, Nintendo can sue Sony for ripping them off.

As they should, not like Sony really does anything for gaming except for getting profit off of an industry made so... profitable by Sega, Nintendo, and Atari in the first place. (the real gaming giants, in my opinion)

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 08 May 2006 - 08:13 PM

[Eugine]

http://www.gamespot....tml?sid=6149470 [Sony]
http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?si...9480&pid=928790 [FFXIII]

It was just a joke... Anyway, by tomorrow we'd get some pictures to really see whether they copied Nintendo or not. I'm sure Sony did enough thinking whether or not they can be sued by Nintendo or not...

Anyway, time will tell. This press conference wasn't that interesting, but atleast the price was revealed as well as the launch date. I'm waiting for pictures on the online service as well as more information. The pictures aren't loading on my PC from gamespot. Now come on, waiting for the Wii (I can care less about the 360 :rolleyes:)

This post has been edited by Eugine: 08 May 2006 - 08:18 PM

[Someone Else]

Haha, you got me good! I was searching for that paragraph that you posted and I couldn't find it. I figured I just was being stupid.

But my opinion on Sony (AND it's the same for Microsoft too) still stands.


Mark my words though, somehow, Sony's trying to get back at Nintendo; SOMEHOW! Why else would they retract the "boomerang" controller when Nintendo released the Wii controller?!!?!

*foams at mouth* *fart*

And I agree. Screw the Xbox 360.

[Blink]

So, Sony announced today that they:

Stole the Xbox Live service
Stole the Wii-mote
Stole the 360 Guide button
Stole the Wii retro download service
Stole the Augmented reality from whoever the heck those guys were with the videos on the internet
And somehow, got Youtube.

...quite a productive day for Sony. xD

I just hate how they still have the Dualshock, with more junk slapped on it.

[Eugine]

And the BEST part is, you can get it all for just $500... Where as if you got both a 360 and Wii you'd be spending around $700... I LOVE SONY!

[Mars Djinni]

Hah, Sony, those crooks. :rolleyes:

It's shaped like a Batarang and can wipe up crime on screen by moving in six directions. That's quite a hero. I'll be willing to bet that Wii's movability will far surpass the Caped Crusader of a controller.

[Someone Else]

Eugine, on May 8 2006, 08:03 PM, said:

And the BEST part is, you can get it all for just $500... Where as if you got both a 360 and Wii you'd be spending around $700... I LOVE SONY!

I don't understand why you'd support a company that never invents anything, just steals.

[Blink]

Correction Eugine. You can get a portion of it for $500. No wireless, no flash mem( meaning no SD, flash stick, or memory card slots), no HDMI, no 60GB HDD. If you want a real PS3, you have to pay $600. And you can probably get a Wii and a 360 for that price, with better games, more games, and games that are better suited to their control styles, along with all the Nintendo games, and the best online service.

So, lacking and mediocore? Or the same price for diversity and quality?

EDIT: Then again, after seeing the trailer, I'd still like a PS3 for FFXIII. :rolleyes:

This post has been edited by Blink: 08 May 2006 - 10:44 PM

[Aquamarine]

I knew Sony would steal all the of Microsot's and Nintendo's ideas. I quite hate both Sona and Microsoft foe entering the gaming industry(call me a Ninty fanboy, I don't care) and I used to hate Microsoft more than Sony till about a week ago. Not anymore though. At least they made the XBox Live internet thingy, which was new, whilst Sony stole EVERYTHING. I would be ashamed to be a Sony fanboy now...

The first batch of PS3 games won't have motion sensing functionality while the Wii games will have it right away. Also, check this out:
http://www.planetgam...cfm?artid=11428
Sony didn't do it as well as the big N.

I'm going over to IGN to check the DS Crystal Chronicles. I have a feeling that's a must have...

[Eugine]

I'm really dissapointed in Sony, they really just robbed everyone's idea and placed it in the PS3...
Damn, they made their system so damn attractive, even if you hate Sony you'd still ending up buying the PS3...

It seems in the next-gen Japanese are sticking together, Square says their future is Sony, Nintendo and Cell phones! Oh my!

[Someone Else]

Yes, I'll still end up with a PS3, odds are.

And Eugine, decide wether or not you're angry or in love with Sony. >.>

Chances are, the Wii is better at what it needs to do anyway.

[Eugine]

I like Sony, I just don't agree with what they just did.

[TheEnglishman]

http://uk.gamespot.c...tml?sid=6149663
The conference is going on right now. At least they weren't delayed like Sony were yesterday.

[Golden Djinn13]

PS3 HAS MOTION SENSORING CONTROLLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The controller looks EXACTLY like the PS2 and PS1 controller (no surprise to me), except that it has motion sensoring, for eample, if you turn the controller right, the the camera moves right (kinda the same idea as games like kirby: tilt and tumble).

I can't wait to see what else Sony presents.

[Saturos S.]

I know, look at the other E3 topic. I think it's sad what sony did/is doing.

[TheEnglishman]

Two versions of Twilight Princess? I didn't see that coming. Plus there's gonna be Super Paper Mario on Gamecube. Basically a normal Mario platformer but with Paper Mario graphics.

[Lemontime]

Not sure if it's been said.
http://www.joystiq.c...o-sell-for-249/

Not sure if the link worked there..
But..

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$249 Price tag [we've learned that this price is inaccurate. Stay tuned to our live coverage for details.]

Virtual Consoler (we knew this)
3d Controller (we knew this)
ALWAYS online (console is always online, even when OFF)
Built in speaker on the controller
Less than a day, and we'll know for sure or not how much of the above is true.

Hope it is all true.. ;]

[Golden Djinn13]

Well, all I know is that they stated that the PS3 will be under $500 usd.

[Someone Else]

The standard PS3 at least.

What's this about two TP's?

[Sea of Time]

My turn.

First of all, the biggest news is how Sony has introduced its PS3 and pretty much told us everything we need to know. They showed us how the new controller will not be ugly, but will once again be the Dualshock. Also, to the most surprise of everyone, the controller will have 60 degrees of free-motion technology. Sound familiar? Oh yeah, the Wii controller started the free-motion technology trend. Now, the Nintendo fanboy in me says that Sony ripped off Nintendo, and this is partially true. However, ever since Microsoft has entered the video game world, Sony has made the PS2 and PS3 the perfect niche between mature games and revolutionary technology. But for $750?!? No way in hell people under the age of 18 will be buying that with their own money. Yay! I get to buy more levels from Sony's online? They pretty much covered the bases on how to steal your money.

Anyways, the Wii looks awesome, the controller is going to be amazing, but how about some prices, huh, Nintendo? The price needs to be very competitive to keep Sony off their backs. $300 would be perfect. I'm still buying it. The 360 degrees free motion makes its controller better than the PS3's and it still takes games in a place they've never been before.

I think someone said that the 360 would be like the Dreamcast? Forgotten after better systems came out. Well I've got two words to change your mind on that. Halo 3. This is definitely the thing I'm most excited about at E3! It almost makes me want to get a 360 except it's the only game I'd want to play.

Anyways my corny analysis is over. I love discussing this stuff. :rolleyes:

This post has been edited by Sea_of_Time: 09 May 2006 - 06:03 PM

[Someone Else]

I'm hoping the Wii won't be anymore expensive than $250. I am never, NEVER going to spend more than... oh, $250-$300 on anything video games. Depends on how I feel about the product in question.

This post has been edited by Wind Dude: 09 May 2006 - 06:14 PM

[Sea of Time]

Of course, I'm referring to Canadian dollars. So 300 is somewhere like 250 in the States.

[Someone Else]

SOT? If the Xbox 360 doesn't push out any good games, do what I do and just wait until Halo 3 releases on the PC, 2 or 3 years after it's release on the Xbox 360. XD

[Sea of Time]

Yes! By then I'll be 19, be in university and (hopefully) won't be playing video games anymore! Oh, that is the best plan ever! XD

[Someone Else]

Sea_of_Time, on May 9 2006, 05:17 PM, said:

Yes! By then I'll be 19, be in university and (hopefully) won't be playing video games anymore! Oh, that is the best plan ever! XD

Huh, I completely forgot about being old.

I intend to keep video games as a hobby. You know, be one of those cool adults..?

Bah.

[Golden Djinn13]

To SoT: to bad H3 wont be out till 2007 :rolleyes:


Im actually considering getting the "Wii" again. But I know for a fact that I will be getting the PS3 on the launch day.

[Sea of Time]

Well, that's your choice. 'Go for broke' as they say. If you have the money, PS3 beats the ass of the 360. If you don't have the money, play Halo 3 for christs sakes!

IGN brought up a good point. With the PS3 and 360 being very expensive, Nintendo has some 'wiggle room' with the Wii. It can be slightly more expensive now and have even more features.

[Blink]

Wii has Super Mario Galaxy. Wii has widescreen first party games. Wii has a speaker in the Remote. And Wii has one hell of a show at E3, with 27 playable titles on the show floor.

[Eugine]

Honestly the Super Mario doesn't look that great...

The games on the PS3 were much more impressive honestly.

[Blink]

Lots of honesty indeed. Do you really think the Wii is supposed to graphically compete with the PS3 Eugine? I mean, honestly. :rolleyes:

But yeah, PS3 > Wii graphics wise, Wii > PS3 controls wise. You won't get Red Steel's accuracy on a PS3. Or Metroid Prime 3 Corruption's ability to rip out damaged doors.

[Toasty]

Man. You think you know everything there is to know about a consol, and then they dish out some more! The speaker in the Wiimote isn't nesscisary,but is a nice feature I guess. The built in microphone is the best knew feature for the controller that I've heard of so far. As for TP, I guess their not going for backward compatibility. :rolleyes: The 24/7 internet hookup is a good idea to me, because you can set it up for automatic updates overnight, and not have to wait to load the updates when you go to play it. Also, this means that Iwata could send a message to every consol at once if he needed to inform Wii users of some kind of event.

And once again about the name, earliier today at school, me and my friiends started jokiing about the name, and you wouldn't beliieve what wii came up wiith ;)

[Aquamarine]

I didn't really like Super Mario Galaxy either, and that's coming from a die-hard Mario fan. They kept saying for the past 10 YEARS that this game would be ultra revolutionary, something never before seen... And I thought it would use the Wiimote in a different way, but Nintendo let me down with this one.

The big N says there are still a few things about Wii they did not announce yet. Wonder what it is.

I was more hyped about the DS than the Wii and for good reason! Crystal Chronicles, a 3D Final Fantasy III game, StarFox, Custom Robo... All look awesome!!! But no Pokemon Diamond/Pearl. I hope it's showed today!

[Toasty]

Yeah. And I hope Diamond/pearl will be more different than the previous. Different country, different pokemon (duh) and hopefully it's WiFi compatible. If it is, they need to allow you to customeize your character. I might get Custom Robo.

[Lemontime]

Sea_of_Time, on May 9 2006, 07:29 PM, said:

With the PS3 and 360 being very expensive, Nintendo has some 'wiggle room' with the Wii.

Heh.. Wiiggle room.
Anyway.. I was thinking about the 24/7 connection and started wondering about viruses, couldn't they get in?

Also, guess what! Playstations controller just made the news, isn't that fantastic? NO! It's nintendoezzz freakin' idea. To hell with the lot of 'em.

Also, http://e3src.nintendo.com/news/bold_disrup...w_players_expa/

ALSO, WARIOWARE! YAY! http://wii.nintendo....games_wwsm.html

This post has been edited by sibsag: 10 May 2006 - 02:11 AM

[I'm Always BROKE]

OMG NO SSB3! ;)

But im very very happy that Nintendo accounded a new Diddy Kong Racing! :rolleyes: That would be sooo awesome cuz the Diddy Kong Pilot (now Banjo Pilot) got remade just because Rare isnt allowed to make DK games anymore.

[Wiflewood]

http://uk.ds.ign.com...720/720463.html

Looks sweet. Watch the video.

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, nothing announced on SSB3, but right now they're really pushing Twilight Princess, SMG, and Wii Sports. The press conference was incredible for Nintendo and definitely was the most exciting out of the three. Miyamoto has a way of making everyone around him smile. The man loves his job, that's for sure.

[Aquamarine]

I would love my job too if I were a genius like him and world famous like him and worked for Nintendo like him and... Yeah.

I loved the N64 Diddy Kong Racing too! One of the best racing games I've ever played. Both me and my brother were very happy to hear there'll be a new DKR, but then we found out it's a remake. And I HATE playing remakes of games I've already played. So if I ever get a DS I certainly won't be getting this game unfortunately...

[I'm Always BROKE]

Awww a remake? You can't mean that. <_< Well anyways that game is gonna be mines no mater what. It's still gonna be awesome and the game will atleast look better. I haven't touched DKR N64 for about 2 or 3 years so Im pretty excided.

[Toasty]

For all the people who crave a link to information on the Wii from ninty, click here
It has all the info on the Wii that nintendo has to offer. And screens and pics of the suped up new controller.For those who want a direct link to TP info, click here This link is found in the previous link above, but I thought some might just want a direct link.

It is confirmed that the Wii will comunicate wirelessly with the DS. I'm also fairly sure that you will be able to play classics on the Wii for free using the "Virtual Consol" It will be connected to the net 24/7 (duh) 512 mb of internal memory, but don't fret, you can use memory cards. It also has an S-Video port. The graphics proscessor is yet to be told. The following info & more is found here

[Someone Else]

Umm...

http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revolution/image/article/673/673861/n-query-20060314104840463.jpg

Sure, it's a picture from 2 months ago but still.

I'm really, really, REALLY hoping that's was just made at a larger scale so that everyone in the audience could see it...

My dad's thinking of getting a PS3 at launch for the HD DVD. We have a HDTV; my dad's a bit of a geek about it (high-def stuff). He watches the INHD and INHD2 channels on TV all the time just for the sake of watching something HD. They have really crappy shows.

But anyway, I'm a little happy about it. I've never owned a TV console before! But he's only THINKING about it, so I'm trying to not be too enthusiastic.

[Toasty]

The picture isn't showing. What's it supposed to be?

[Someone Else]

...are you using Internet Explorer, by any chance?

It's a picture of the PS3, with some funny Japanese person holding it. The size of a PS3 compared to a person is staggering.


Anyone have a picture of a Wii, in actual size?
----

What do you think of the new PS3 controller? (from IGN's IGN Poll)
http://polls.snowball.com/mighty/results/snowball/ign10119.jpeg

Heh, PSWii...

On another note, there's alot of Sony fanboys out there... IMO, the only kind of person that would support Sony after ripping off Nintendo (again) is a lowly Sony fanboy.

[Toasty]

There's a picture here of a hand holding it. That's the best I could do. And yeah, I use IE.

http://wii.nintendo.com/hardware.html

[Someone Else]

Wow, that sure is tiny! Thanks for showing that to me.

I'm going to try to get more money over the summer to buy a Wii. I'll convince my dad to let me get one and hook it up the monitor on our desk, placing the Wii either under the monitor or somewhere off to the side. It sure is small enough to be out of the way!


And don't use IE, Toasty. You can view the image in FireFox.
http://www.downloadfirefox.net/

It doesn't take long to download, and you can easily import all your favorites and crap from IE to FF. And if it's a problem with your not-so-savvy parents, just keep IE as the "default" browser...

[Toasty]

My dad knows quite a lot about computers, so it's not the unknowing part, it's the " I'm too worried about viruses getting into my computer" part. Not only that, but my dad set it up so that only Admins of the computer can install things.

[Someone Else]

Do you really think FireFox would be so popular if viruses were attached to the download?

[Toasty]

Nooooo. That's not what I mean. My dad just thinks that despite our firewalls, hackers could get in if we continually download things off the net. He also cut my online gaming 'cause of that suspicion. I still do though every once in a while. Anyway, back to E3. Anybody got anything new that wasn't said yesterdy?

[Blink]

Image doesn't work in Firefox either. xD

Oh, and PS3 is a Wiipoff of the Wiimote.

[Lemontime]

Quote

I'm Masahiro Sakurai of Sora, director of the "Super Smash Bros." series of fighting games featuring Nintendo's most popular characters. Hello.
(Note: Sora is the name of my company.)

When I released Super Smash Bros. Melee for Nintendo GameCube, I ran a detailed and extensive site on the game in Japan called "Smabura-Ken" . (In Japan, "SmaBura" is short for "Smash Bros.") While I would have liked to have done the site in both English and Japanese, it just wasn't possible at the time.

Well, it's been four years since I finished updating "Smabura Ken"!
Who would have thought I'd be writing a new "Smabura Ken" again? Boy, talk about a surprise. But this time, I'm doing it right. With the help of Nintendo of America's Localization group, this new site will be available in both English and Japanese!

That brings us to why I've started this new site. I was recently put in charge of creating a Super Smash Bros. title for Wii. Development started in October 2005. Scheduled for release in 2007. It feels like we've only just begun, but we are hard at work on it.

Just a bit of the game's content was revealed recently at the world's largest games show: the 2006 Electronic Entertainment Expo, or E3. So I'd like to make the same images available to all of you.

As for future updates to Smash Bros. Dojo... What should I do? I haven't given it much thought yet.

For now, this is simply a debut. It is not a major launch.
I must first immerse myself in game creation. Maybe then, as the game gets farther along, I might be able do more.

Development is still going to take quite a while, however, so for the moment, I hope you'll enjoy this and be patient.


Masahiro Sakurai 5/11/2006

Images at:
http://www.smashbros.com/en/main.html

Named Super Smash Brothers Brawl.
Graphics look amazing!
Smash bros. fans rejoice?


Aaaaand: http://e3src.nintend..._coming_to_wii/
Harvest Moon's!

Lengthening my post even more!
Release dates for DS titles!
Big Brain Academy - June 5, 2006
Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol - June 5, 2006
Children of Mana - Q4 2006
Clubhouse Games - Q4 2006
Custom Robo Arena - Q4 2006
Diddy Kong Racing DS - TBA
DK: King of Swing DS - TBA
DS Air - TBA
Elite Beat Agents - Q4 2006
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - Q4 2006
Kirby - TBA
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass - Q4 2006
Magical Vacation (working title) - Q4 2006
Magnetica - June 5, 2006
Mario Hoops 3-on-3 - Sept 11, 2006
Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2:March of the Minis - September 25, 2006
New Super Mario Bros. - May 15, 2006
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team - September 18, 2006
Pokémon Ranger - TBA
Star Fox DS - August 28, 2006
Sudoku Gridmaster - June 26, 2006
Tenchu: Dark Secret - August 21, 2006
Yoshi's Island 2 - Q4 2006

Gameplay footage & Screenshots can be found at the link below
http://e3src.nintendo.com/

DDK DS Shot: http://ds-x2.custome...dex.php?id=5192

[Eugine]

I made up my mind...!!!

I'm getting a Wii then a PS3 when price is low, I'm not getting a 360 AT ALL, the majority of the good games are released on PC anyway.

After all this information, what are you getting?

[Sea of Time]

I still think I'm going with the Wii. As cool as the lineup of games for the PS3 sounds, there's nothing that really stands out.

The only things that stand out at me this year is the Wii and a PC game called Spore, where you are God! The Wii just looks so much better and it has a very bright future.

[Golden Djinn13]

I'm definately gonna be there on the PS3 launch day. Maybe after the Wii's price has gone down, then i'll get it.

[Someone Else]

Haha, get the most expensive console, wait for the already cheap console's price to go down... XP I like your logic.


My dad's thinking of getting a PS3 for HDD DVD's like I said earlier. I hope to buy a Wii with my own money since chances are, that's only way I'm going to get it. And if my dad does get a PS3, I won't need a Xbox 360, really.

And guys, you could've just right clicked the "IPB Image" and then hit "View Image".

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2839/nquery200603141048404639pk.jpg

[Eugine]

OMG... SoT, PS3 games doesn't stand out? List of games which interests me:
[] shows how strong attraction is <_<

PS3:
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots [Massively]
Sonic the Hedgehog
Final Fantasy XIII [Massively]
Final Fantasy Versus XIII [Massively]
Tekken 6
Heavenly Sword [Massively]x2
Resistance: Fall of Man
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Gran Turismo HD
Warhawk
Virtua Fighter 5
Grand Theft Auto IV
Genji 2 [Massively]
Killzone
Resident Evil 5
NBA Live 07
Dynasty Warriors BB
Unreal Tournament 2007 [Massively]
Devil May Cry 4
The Getaway
Golden Axe
Call of Duty 3
Spider-Man 3
Ratchet & Clank
Eye of Judgement [Massively]x4, the potential of this game is tremendous, please research this game. Yu-Gi-Oh will rock when this technology is developed fully (DEVELOPED BY SONY, SO GIVE THEM SOME CREDIT PEOPLE). You place cards on this board and the sensor picks up which card you placed, you can activate the cards, move the monsters using the cards, oh the potential. RESEARCH.

Wii:
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess [Massively]x2
Super Smash Bros. Brawl [Massively]x2
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption [Massively]
Super Mario Galaxy
Resident Evil
Final Fantasy Chrystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
Fire Emblem [Massively]
Call of Duty 3
Harvest Moon

... See how different the list is? The only thing that's keeping me from the PS3 is the price. DAMN, the games rock.

[TheEnglishman]

If I had to pick a console based just on the games, it would be PS3. Wii has some really good ones, but I'm more interested by the PS3 offerings. Final Fantasy XIII looks especially good, if not confusing.

[Sea of Time]

Eugine, what I meant is, they didn't really have a title that grabbed my eyes more than the others, though they had some great ones. Also, I apologize, I totally forgot about Final Fantasy XIII, that one definitely stands out. My mistake.

[Golden Djinn13]

Wind Dude, on May 11 2006, 09:39 AM, said:

Haha, get the most expensive console, wait for the already cheap console's price to go down... XP I like your logic.

I dont even want the Wii that much, my Gamecube was rather disappointing after a few years, and I was in heaven when i played the PS2. I don't hate the Wii (anymore), Its just that the PS3 has more games that I like, and this time I would rather wait and buy Nintendo's console.

[Sea of Time]

If Sony vastly improves their online so that it competes with Microsoft, FFXIII could be one of the best games of this generation. However, with the high price point of the systems and (most likely) the games, it will be hard for them to compete. Luckily, though, there are millions of Sony fanboys who don't care how much money it is.

[Aquamarine]

Eugine, that list of Wii games was SO Sony fanboyish. <_< Here are just some you left out:

Red Steel
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Excite Truck
Wii Sports
Madden NFL 07
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves
Sonic Wild Fire
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Duck Hunt
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Dragon Quest Swords: The Mask Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Metal Slug Anthology
Call of Duty 3
Sadness

[Saturos S.]

Too be honest, at the moment I'm anti-sony just because they havn't put anything of their own ideas into their console. The games are good but that's a thing you could have expected. But as for most games you've mentioned there will be a lot for the pc or the other consoles so the massive line-up isn't so special after all...

Well at least in my opinion.

Edit: The ps3 is HUMONGOUS!!!!

[Someone Else]

So then the actual list is...

PS3:
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Sonic the Hedgehog
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Tekken 6
Heavenly Sword
Resistance: Fall of Man
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance
Gran Turismo HD
Warhawk
Virtua Fighter 5
Grand Theft Auto IV
Genji 2
Killzone
Resident Evil 5
NBA Live 07
Dynasty Warriors BB
Unreal Tournament 2007
Devil May Cry 4
The Getaway
Golden Axe
Call of Duty 3
Spider-Man 3
Ratchet & Clank
Eye of Judgement

Wii:
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Super Mario Galaxy
Resident Evil
Final Fantasy Chrystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
Fire Emblem
Call of Duty 3
Harvest Moon
Red Steel
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam
Excite Truck
Wii Sports
Madden NFL 07
Wario Ware: Smooth Moves
Sonic Wild Fire
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Duck Hunt
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Dragon Quest Swords: The Mask Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Metal Slug Anthology
Sadness
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Yeeaaah... I'd say they're about the same in the number of games. But which console has the "best" games near the consoles launch is a matter of opinion. The Wii's games stand out to me more, with SSBB, Loz: TP, and Metroid.

And by the way Eugine, I've never even heard of Eye of Judgement 'till now.


Oh, and PLEASE tell me that isn't the PS3's ACTUAL size.

[Lemontime]

Dang, WD, That thang is HYOOGE!

Anyway. I think the Wii games really do have MUCH more potential (s?) than the PS3, Mainly because I'm a ninty fanboy, but also because the Wii really is the standout this year. The PS3 and 360 are just suped up versions of old consoles, really not that exciting. But the Wii is a brand new concept, brand new idea. It's fresh, it's new, it's young and hip! It draws in non-gamers because of it's obvious ammount of entertainment available. It brings in old gamers who really want something new. But most of all. It brings everybody.. Together.. <_<

[Toasty]

Yeah. The Wii is also like a suped up cube since it has better hardware, BUT it also has many new features never before experienced in a home system.

Anyway, here's some E3 coverage by MSN: http://www.msnbc.msn...97190/?GT1=8199

I havn't read it yet, but I don't think there's any important news. But hey, Black Eyed Peas sang at the Nintendo booth! How 'bout that.


[EDIT] DAYM!! Does SSBB look awesome or what? I'm gonna be rippin' my hair out 'till it's out. This game is gonna be sold out even befor it hits stores. And WD, I tried doing the "show picture" thing when it didn't show. But it didn't work.

[Golden Sun Master]

Right now I'm so hyped for the Wii it isn't funnny! I'm going to work extra hard this summer so I can buy it!!!

[Eugine]

I specifically said list of games which INTERESTS me... Those other games aren't interesting as far as I'm concerned. WD, I'm also positive some of the games you posted there you don't even know about!

For an ACTUAL list of games here's it:

PS3:
2 Days to Vegas - Steel Monkeys
211 - Gaia Industries*
6GUN II - Bonar Entertainment *
ActiveDogs - MTO
Afrika (video game) (working title) - unknown
Akari Project (working title) - Takuyo
Akira Kurosawa's Oni - Koei
Alone in the Dark 5 (working title) - Atari *
Angel Rings (working title) - SCEI FP
Ape Escape (Next Gen) - SCE FP
Aquanaut no Kyujitsu: Inner Mind Adventure - Artdink
Armored Core 4 - From Software *
Army of Two - Electronic Arts
Assassin's Creed - Ubisoft
Avalon - Climax *
BB (working title) - Arc System Works
Bipedal Movement Simulation - Artdink
Black Blade (working title) - From Software
Blade Storm: Hundred Years War - Omega Force/Koei
Bomberman - Hudson *
Broken Saints - Gnosis *
Brothers In Arms: Hell's Highway (working title) - Ubisoft *
Burnout Revenge - Electronic Arts*
Call of Duty 3 - Activision*
Casino Royale - Electronic Arts*
Clown Combat - Eagle Claw
Coded Arms: Assault - Konami
Colin McRae Rally '07 (working title) - Codemasters
Dark RPG (working title) - From Software
Dark Sector - Digital Extremes *
Darkness, The - Take Two Interactive/StarBreeze *
Data-Fly - Origo Gaming Entertainment *
Def Jam 3: Back To The Streets - Electronic Arts *
Derby Stallion (working title) - Enterbrain
Devil May Cry 4 - Capcom FP
Diabolique: License to Sin - Metropolis Soft.
Dirty Harry (working title) - Warner Bros. IE *
Driver 5 (working title) - Atari *
Dynasty Warriors (working title) - Koei
Digimon World Online - Bandai
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi Neo - Spike
Eight Days - SCEE FP
Elveon - 10tacle Studios *
Endless Saga - Webzen
Extreme - Taito Corporation
Eye of Judgment, The (working title) - SCEI FP
Eyedentify - SCEI FP
Fatal Inertia - Koei
FEAR 2 - Monolith *
FIFA - EA Sports *
Fifth Phantom Saga - Sega
Fight Night: Round 3 - EA Sports *
Final Fantasy XIII - Square-Enix
Final Fantasy Versus XIII - Square-Enix
Formula One - Studio Liverpool FP
Frontlines: Fuel of War - THQ
Full Auto 2: Battlelines - Sega
Genji 2 - SCEI FP
Getaway 3, The (working title) - Team SOHO FP
Golden Axe - SEGA
Gradius VI - Konami
Grand Raid Offroad - Asobo Studios *
Grand Theft Auto IV - Rockstar Games
Gundam World - Bandai
Haze - Free Radical
Heavenly Sword - SCEE FP
Heavy Rain Audition - Unknown
Hitsuji Mura (working title) - Success
Hot Shots Golf 5 - SCEA FP
Indiana Jones (working title) - Lucasarts
Interstellar Marines - Zero Point Software
Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu - Konami
Killing Day - Ubisoft *
Killzone PS3 (working title) - Guerrilla Games FP
Kingdom Hearts 3 - Square Enix *
King of Fighters: Maximum Impact 3 - SNK Playmore *
Kurayami - Grasshopper
L.A. Noire - Team Bondi
Lair - Factor 5 FP
Madden 07 - EA Sports *
Mahjong Oh - Warashi
Mahjong Taikai (working title) - Koei
Makai Wars (working title) - Nippon-ichi Software
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance - Raven Software
Master Project (working title) - Takuyo
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames - Pandemic *
Medal of Honor Airborne - Electronic Arts *
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - Konami
Metronome - Team Tarsier *
Minna no 5 Golf (working title) - SCEI FP
Mobile Suit Gundam - Bandai *
Monster Carnival (working title) - SCEI FP
MotorStorm - SCEE FP
Naruto: Narutimate Hero 4 - Bandai
Naxat Plan - Digital Gain
NBA Live - EA Sports *
NBA2K6 - 2K Sports *
Need for Speed (working title) - Electronic Arts *
Notcom Racing - ForwardGames *
Ni-Oh - Koei
Omikron 2 (working title) - Quantic Dream *
Outsider, The - Frontier Dev
Pachinko Jikki - Hack Berry
Pacman (working title) - Namco
Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie - Ubisoft *
Possession - Blitz Games *
Pro Mahjong Final (working title) - Athena
Project D - Michaelsoft
Project Delta - Playlogic International *
Project Embrace - Origo Gaming Entertainment *
Project Extreme - Taito
Project Force - From Software
Project IM (working title) - Zero Point Software
Project Psychic (working title) - Taito
Psychopath - Titan Productions *
Punisher, The (working title) - THQ *
Ratchet & Clank (working title) - Insomniac FP
Redwood Falls - Kuju
Rengoku: The End of the Century - Hudson
Resident Evil 5 - Capcom *
Resistance: Fall of Man - Insomniac (SCEA) FP
Ridge Racer 7 - Namco
Saikyou Ginsei Shougi 7 - Magnolia
Scarface: The World is Yours - Vivendi Universal *
Schwarzenberg - Radon Labs
Secret Service - Tigon *
Section 8 - TimeGate
Sega Rally Revo - Sega*
Seikan - Astroll
Sekai Saikyou Ginsei Igo 7 - Magnolia
ShadowClan - Tiger Hill *
Shin Megami Tensei (working title) - Atlus
Shin Ten Makai VI (working title) - Idea Factory
Shinseiki GPX Cyber Formula (working title) - Sunrise Int
Shougi World Champion Gekisashi (working title) - Mainichi
Silent Hill 5 - Konami
Slotter Mania - Dorasu
SOCOM 4- Zipper Interactive FP
Singstar - SCEE
Sonic Riders 2 - Sega *
Sonic the Hedgehog - Sega *
Spider-Man 3 - Activision
Stranglehold - Tiger Hill *
Stuntman 2 - Reflection
Suikoden VI - Konami
Sunrise Eiyuutan (working title) - Sunrise Int
Super Robot Taisen (working title) - Banpresto
Tekken 6 - Namco
Terracotta Warrior Iki: Mechanized Typhoon Knight - Bunatsu Studios
Test Drive Unlimited - Eden Studios *
The Club - Sega/Bizarre Creations *
The Wall - Play Ten Interactive *
Theseis - Track7 Games *
Tiger Woods PGA Tour - EA Sports
Time Crisis 4 - Namco
TNA iMPACT! - Midway *
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter - Ubisoft *
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas - Ubisoft *
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent - Ubisoft *
Tony Hawk's Project 8 - Activision *
Tracer - Gaia Industries
Train Simulator Online (working title) - Ongakukan
Transformers (working title) - Activision
True Crime 3: Streets of Hong Kong - Luxoflux *
Turok (working title) - Buena Vista Games
Untitled Monolith Project - Monolith
Untitled Naughty Dog Project - Naughty Dog
Unreal Tournament 2007 - Epic Games *
Untitled John McTiernan Game - Ubisoft *
Untitled Western Shooter (working title) - Rockstar Games(unlikely but by a small chance, possibly GUN2)
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom - Sony Online Entertainment
Value 2000 Igo - Magnolia
Value 2000 Shougi - Magnolia
Vampire's Rain - Artoon
Virtua Fighter 5 - Sega
Virtua Tennis 3 - Sega AM2
Vision Gran Turismo - Polyphony Digital FP
WarDevil: Unleash the Beast Within - Digi-Guys *
Warhawk - Incognito FP
Way of the Samurai 3 (working title) - Spike
Wheelman, The - Midway
Winning Eleven - Konami *
Wipeout (Next Gen) - SCEE FP
WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2007 - THQ *
Xtreme - Taito
Yamasa Digi World DX (working title) - Yamasa


Wii:
100 Bullets — IGN (O) (?)
Animal Crossing Wii — IGN (N)
Untitled AQ Interactive game based on a major comic license — IGN
The Ant Bully — Midway.com (O)
Unspecified Artdink Project(s) — AdvancedMN
Avatar: The Last Airbender — Hollywood Reporter (O)
Battalion Wars Wii — IGN
Untitled Banpresto Family Action Game - Gamespot
Beijing 2008 Olympic Games — TeamXbox (O) (?)
Blitz: The League — Midway.com (O)
Bob Ross: The Joy of Painting — Planet GameCube
Bomberman Land - Gamespot
Boxing Action - Gamespot
Bust-a-Move Revolution Gamespot
Call of Duty 3 — IGN (O)
Untitled Camelot RPG — IGN (N)
Cars — IGN
Cooking Mama: Cooking with International Friends - Gamespot
Darkness — Crossbeam Studios Entertainment
Digimon - Gamespot
Disaster: Day of Crisis - Pro-G (N)
Disney's Chicken Little: Ace in Action — Buena Vista Games (O)
Disney's Meet The Robinsons — Buena Vista Games (O)
Donkey Kong Wii — IGN (N)
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 — Planetgamecube (O)
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors — IGN
Duck Hunt Wii - IGN
Unspecified Eidos Projects — Revolution Report
Elebits — IGN
Unspecified Epoch project - Gamespot
Excite Truck - Cubed3 (N)
FIFA Soccer — IGN (O) (?)
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers — IGN
Fire Emblem Wii game - GameSpot
Final Furlong — Eurogamer Wii Report
Untitled From Software action game - Gamespot
Unspecified Game Factory project - Gamespot
Untitled Gearbox Software Project(s) — GamerCC (?)
Unspecified Genki game - Gamespot
Godzilla — N-Sider (?)
Happy Feet — Midway.com (O)
Untitled Harmonix Project(s) — 1UP (?)
Harvest Moon - Gamespot
Unspecified Havok Projects - IGN
Heroes - Gamespot
Untitled Hideo Kojima Project — Aussie-Nintendo.com
Untitled Hudson Soft Flight Game — IGN
Unspecified Jaleco title - Gamespot
Jawa- Gamespot
Untitled Katsuya Eguchi Project — British Gaming Blog (N)
Untitled Konami soccer game - Gamespot
Killing Day — IGN (O) (?)
The Legend of Zelda: Wii — IGN (N) (?)
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Mygamer (N) (O)
Let's Go By Train - Gamespot
Madagascar 2 — IGN
Madden 07 — Gamespot
Mario Kart Wii — Revolution Report (N)
Mario Paint Wii — Gaming Horizon (N) (?)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance — Revolution Report (O)
Untitled Marvelous Interactive simulation title - Gamespot
Metal of Honor: Airborne - Gamespot
Metal Slug Anthology — IGN
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption — Revolution Report (N)
Untitled Milestone action Game - Gamespot
Untitled Milestone Vertical Shooter - Gamespot
Mr. D Goes to Town - Gamespot
Untitled MTO Character Action Game - Gamespot
Untitled Namco Bandai game -Gamespot
Untitled Namco Bandai action Game - Gamespot
Untitled Namco Bandai RPG - Gamespot
NASCAR 07 — IGN (O) (?)
NBA Live — IGN (O) (?)
NCAA Football 07 — [IGN (O) (?)
Necro-Nesia - Gamespot
Nintendo Pennant Chase Baseball — Aussie-Nintendo.com (?) (N)
One Piece: Unlimited Adventure — Revolution Report
Open Season - Gamespot
Orb — Crossbeam Studios Entertainment (?)
Pilotwings Wii — IGN (N)
Pokémon Wii — IGN (N) (?)
Untitled Prince of Persia Project — Revolution-Europe (O) (?)
Project H.A.M.M.E.R. — Gaming Age (N)
Unspecified Radical Entertainment project(s) — MaxHire
Raid over the River — Revolution Report (?) (O)
Ranch Story - Gamespot
Rayman Raving Rabbids — GamingAge
Red Baron — N-Sider (?)
Red Steel — Game Informer
Untitled Resident Evil game - Gamespot
Unspecified Red Tribe Project — Vooks.Net
Sadness — Revolution Report (?)
San-X All-Star Revolution — Gamespot
SD Gundam G Breaker — Gamespot
Sengoku Action — Gamasutra
Untitled The Simpsons project(s) — AdvancedMN (O) (?)
Untitled Simple Series game — Gamespot
Untitled Soul Calibur project — IGN (?)
Sonic Wild Fire — SEGA
Spider-Man 3 — IGN (?)
SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab — Planet Gamecube (O)
Unspecified Success Coporation project(s) — Nintendo Players
Super Mario Galaxy — 1UP (N)
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz — SEGA.com
Super Smash Bros. Brawl — IGN (N)
Super Swing Golf Pangya — Planet GameCube
Tamagotchi - Gamespot
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles — IGN (O) (?)
Thorn — Crossbeam Studios Entertainment (?)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour — IGN (O) (?)
TNA iMPACT! — IGN (O)
Untitled Tomy Action Game - Gamespot
Untitled Tomy Battle Action Game - Gamespot
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam — IGN
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent — IGN (O) (?)
Trauma Center: Second Opinion — GamesAreFun
Turn IT Around!! - Gamespot
Unspecified Vivendi Universal Title - Gamespot
WarioWare: Smooth Moves — Cubed3 (N)
Unspecified Warner Bros. Interactive project - IGN
Wii Music Orchestra - Gamespot(N)
Wii Sports - Cubed3 (N)
Untitled Yoot Saito project — Codename Revolution

As you can see the PS3 has much more games.

[Golden Sun Master]

Jesus Eugine!
Anyway, for Wii I want to get Supa Smash Brothers Brawl so badly! And Super Mario Galaxy looks lame and bland.

[Blink]

Eugine, you left out the PS3's backwards compatability, and the Wii's virtual console. XDDD

Yeah, let's not compare numbers here. We all know the PS3 has more support because the PS2 had so many games last gen. At least, I think we all know that... :-|

[Toasty]

Does anyone even have a link to an actual review to SM:G? And yeah, PS3 has more games so far, but at this time, it's amazing that both even have that many games in production.



[EDIT] I just found this. Here's some pictures of the showroom floor at E3: http://e3.nintendo.com/e3media.html

[Someone Else]

How can you say that Eugine?! You seem to be resorting to anger and false assumptions/accusations to make the PS3 look better. That's what fanboys do... although to be fair, I've seen sibsag do it too. Sorry sibsag.


Anyway, you're actually right! I don't know **** about most of the games on the Wii AND/OR the PS3. But that's partially because I only research/look at the games that have been positively reviewed or have been praised by one of my friends.

I repeat, PLEASE tell me that isn't the PS3's ACTUAL size.

[Toasty]

I wouldn't be surprised if it is. <_< After all, it's packed full of top of the line hardware, and with all the stuff in it, the case has to be that big to hold it all in. On top of that, why would they fabricate a picture to make it look big? Especially when smaller things are more wanted nowadays.

[Saturos S.]

The Xbox360 is pretty small but stacked with hardware too. And IF it is that big I'll need to make my shelf taht supports my PS2 bigger and reinforce it.

The PS3 line-up is bigger but that seems to be the only way it's really standing out in at the moment.

[Toasty]

The PS3 is definately that big. No way is it smaller.



And I found a link to a fan made SSBB banner if anyones interested. :D http://www.fileden.c...20Wallpaper.PNG




[EDIT] It's funny to watch ninty fanboys rave about the looks of a video game chick <_< http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/...ssage.id=221113



And here's some Wii wall paper: http://mcheddadi.googlepages.com/wii

[Saturos S.]

I like the mario wallpaper. As for the size of the PS3, it's too big in my opinion. Ecspecially now we live in a time of the smaller the better.

And of the PS3 gamelist, I don't see that much great games there. In facts of how good they are, I'd say the Wii and the PS3 even out in games.

[Eugine]

That's because you really don't like PS3 games. I was exposed to both PS2 and GC games, and I can see a good game, or a potential good game by basing it on previous versions (for instance we can assume FFXIII is going to be good because of previous FFs) or just the trailers and demonstrations (Eye of Judgement was one of them).

I check the list above, there are ~35 well extablished games with series announced for the Wii against ~70 extablished PS3 games.

[Someone Else]

Well, they might have made the PS3 big enough so that everyone in the audience could see it when that guy held it up.

Seeing how no one seems to be trying to defend the PS3's size, I guess that's how big it really will be...

[Sea of Time]

How about we all be fair and say what's right about the PS3.

Pros
Amazing technical feat, looks like the best graphics of the 3
Easy to pick up and play for traditional gamers (controller same)
Brings in new gameplay with the 60 degree free motion controller
Games that will please with incredible-looking games like GTA4, MGS4, FFXIII
Online will be much improved from PS2

Cons
System is too expensive.
System is too big.
Controller can be seen as a ripoff of the "Wii-mote"
Online may not be as deep as XBox 360's.

[Golden Sun Master]

I've always seen the old FF games as the best, and FF XIII looks good but I don't think it will be good at anything else other than graphics. Face it, in recent years, Final Fantasy games have gone downhill. FFXII may be able to do something, but don't put the too-futuristic FFXIII in the collector's bag just yet.

[Eugine]

What are you talking about?

What Final Fantasy game sucked? Tell me. FFX rocked, FFX-2 rocked, FFTA rocked... Never played FFXI... FFXII is going to rock... FFXIII is going to rock <_<

[Golden Sun Master]

FF X-2 sucked.
FFTA was sub-par.
FF XI was a joke, and too much money was wasted on it.
FF Crystal Chronicles... well, we all know, so we won't talk about it.

Apart from FFX, no recent games have been very good, but I adored the FF4 remake, but the FF1 and 2 remakes were also sub-par.
Remember, these are jus my opinions.

[Eugine]

Well, I have different opinions from you. I personally enjoyed X-2 the most out of what I listed.

[Golden Sun Master]

Okay, I understand.


http://cube.ign.com/...8/588764p1.html

I do hope info is released (read that).

[Toasty]

Yeah. I also hope that it's gonna be a GS3. But even if it isn't, I'm probably gona get it.



May I put some pros and cons on the Wii?


Pro's

• Wii is revolutionary. Will bring new level of gameplay.
  
• Graphics so far are good, and these are mostly screens of uncompleted games (SSBB), which means final product could be even better.
  
• Good line up of launch titles, many more to come
  
• 360 degrees of motion sensitivity, even distance from the T.V.
  
• Bunch of nice features

Con's

• Wiimote may bee dificult for some people to get used to
  
• $300 price tag (estimated). Yeah, it's cheaper than other systems, but it's twice as much as the cube
  
• 24/7 net acsess may make it easier for a virus of some sort to corupt your system

Other than that, I can't see anything else wrong with it.

[Golden Sun Master]

Yes,I'm definitely favoring Wii over the other systems, and I'm going to buy it most likely.

http://cube.ign.com/...8/588764p1.html

*Still wants people to read...*

[Toasty]

I read it. I'm glad it suggests a GS3, but whether or not it is, I'm getting their new RPG. Camelot never makes bad games. Especially RPG's.

[Golden Sun Master]

I completely agree with you, and with about (is it Tuesday it ends?) 4 days left of E3, and Nintendo notorious for saving their best till last, it may be a second Big Bang.

[Mars Djinni]

Nah. There isn't gonna be a GS3. Camelot has not showcased their game. I beleive E3 is over already.

[Golden Sun Master]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But don't say that dude, you act like because they diddn't showcase their game there isn't going to be one.

[Mars Djinni]

Golden Sun was originally a game to be released with a new console. Camelot has obviously waited too long. It's probably not gonna be like Twilight Princess, redeeming itself from the wait, either.

[Toasty]

For the record, E3 ends on the 12th, which just so happens to be today. And I wouldn't be surprised to see a GS3 in making at next E3.

[Sea of Time]

After this weekend, this topic can probably be closed. But let's leave some time for reflection!

Let's not forget about XBox 360. If you people haven't seen games like Halo 3, Fable 2, Gears of War, or Warhammer, I am amazed at your insolence.

Personally, out of these titles, I am most looking forward to Gears of War. The stop and pop shooting element looks awesome, plus you can kill people up close with a chainsaw! I cannot wait for this game to come out, and maybe I can convince my friend to buy it. :P

[Aquamarine]

Wow! Halo 3, Fable 2, Gears of War and Warhammer! Now that is amazing! What a shame ALL FOUR of these games are also going to be released for the PC. No point in buying an XBox 360 if you ask me.

[Mars Djinni]

I was put off with Wii because of its unique controller way back when. It looked like soemthing I wouldn't buy. Now that the games have influenced its progress, it's time I started saving. Wii did a good job this year.

[Sea of Time]

Aqua, I appreciate your sarcasm but I would cover up your Nintendo fanboy is showing.

Halo 3 will probably not be on the PC until a year and a half after the XBox release. Plus, the online play on the 360 is better than the PC. Also, Gears of War may not be available on the PC.

[Someone Else]

My local newspaper, The San Jose Mercury News (I live in the San Francisco/San Jose area of CA) listed the Wii as the #1 thing that stood out at E3 out of the Top 10.

I'm quite satisfied, to say the least. :P

But the PS3 didn't make the list, so I'm confused about that. Either the PS3 itself wasn't all that impressive at E3, or the editor is a Ninty fanboy (Xbox 360 games were listed on the Top 10).

[TheEnglishman]

I thought that PS3 had made a good impression on E3.

[Someone Else]

I guess Mike Antonucci (the author of the article) wasn't too impressed by it. I don't like Mike very much, he is rather biased in favor of shooter games and console games, and doesn't really give a crap to PC/portables or RPGs very much.

But still, the Wii was the #1? Nice.

[TheEnglishman]

I suppose the large amount of games that they showed has meant they had a strong E3.

[Someone Else]

Here's the list my newspaper had:

• Wii
  
• Demonstration of characters with a "centralized nervous system", and a new physics engine of sorts that allows objects/substances to bend and break realisticly. (provided by Lucas Arts)
  
• Too Human for Xbox 360
  
• Brooktown High: Senior Year for PSP
  
• Snoopy vs. the Red Baron for PS2, PSP, and PC (...)
  
• Justice League Heroes for PS2 and Xbox
  
• Alone in the Dark for PS3, Xbox 360, and PC
  
• F.E.A.R. for Xbox 360
  
• Enemy Territory: Quake Wars for PC
  
• Madden NFL 07 for the Wii

Well, there's at least one game up there for the PS3. I guess he just thought that the Wii was more interesting, and that the PS3 is just pretty much a typical, traditional console that didn't stand out too much by itself.

[TheEnglishman]

Wind Dude, on May 13 2006, 06:35 PM, said:

[*]Snoopy vs. the Red Baron for PS2, PSP, and PC (...)

Too think that's even on the list at all is surprising...
Did this guy shut his eyes and pick randomly? Things like MGS4, Halo 3, SSBB and Legend of Zelda would be on most people's list.

[Someone Else]

I'd say that LoZ would go under "Wii", but Madden NFL 07 was on it's own at 10, so I don't know...

You can deliver your hate mail here: [email protected]

[Blink]

Wow WD, I knew you lived close, but I didn't think you lived THAT close. I get the mercury news too. xD

Saw that article this morning. And yes, Wii included Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and one more I think.

[Aquamarine]

IGN says Wii stole the show too! Check it out:

http://revolution.ig...8/708558p1.html

Good going Nintendo!

[Eugine]

I think Sony has something under it's sleve... I don't think this is the last of the PS3.

[Saturos S.]

I do hope not cause in my opinion the PS3 hasn't been anything special. (I think I've said this 10 times now...)

And it was expected that the Wii was going to have a good E3, and it did, no dissapointments there. :P

[Toasty]

I am not surprised the Wii did so well, but I am surprised that the 360 and PS3 didn't have bigger crouds. Overall, I'm glad the Wii stole the show. It deserves it.

[Golden Sun Master]

I completely agree.

I hope that the PS3 suffers for lack of creativity!!!

[Someone Else]

We're getting a bit too much on the fanboy-ish side now...

Knowing Sony, I doubt they really have "anything" new up their sleeve, but Blu-Ray should be enough to make it popular.

Anyway, the popularity of the Wii raises the question: Will Nintendo once again take it's seat as the "console king" in the world of video games?


EDIT:
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/features/ps3inandout/ps3inandout_embed002.jpg

I like the black PS3.


(Hello, another) EDIT:

Okay, this should be the actual size of the PS3...

http://media.ps3scene.com/images/size/xboxps3-size-comparison.jpg

It isn't actually THAT big. Thank God.

The Wii, however, is a midget! Hahaha! That's a good thing, though.

[TheEnglishman]

I'd prefer a black PS3 than a silver one. It just looks nicer.

[Eugine]

This generation isn't about gaming for Sony, it's all about Blu-Ray. Many analysts said Sony is going to *lend* the gaming industry to Microsoft for a few years just to get Blu-Ray established. That's why they included the Blu-Ray in the PS3 rather than having it as an extention.

So, if Blu-Ray wins, Sony is going to be more profitable than if it was in the Gaming Industry only since the movie, computer, games, PORN industries (more can be named I think) will use Blu-Ray.

[Golden Sun Master]

I never thought of it that way, but I guess that could work.
I'm not a Ninty fanboy, but I'm going to get one even if I have to miss out on KH3 :P

[Someone Else]

"Lend" it over to Microsoft? You shouldn't say things like everything's going to happen like you hope it will be.

One of my friends pointed out something interesting. Not only will the PS3 be much more expensive than anyone has ever heard of, but since it sports new types of technology that has NEVER been used before (Blu-Ray, CELL) the PS3 maybe veerrry glitchy and faulty when it first comes out.

But, that aside, let's talk about other stuffs. Apparently the PS3 will sport a Menu just like the Home Menu the PSP has. I found a screen somewhere, but now I can't find it.

[Sea of Time]

That was a good, intuitive menu system and they would do well to put that in the PS3.

Here's my top 10 things from E3, *sniff* now that it's over.

1. Wii
Nintendo brought it this year with the Wii and started the revolution that they began ten years ago with Super Mario 64. Viva la Wii!

2. Halo 3
XBox 360 owners wet their pants when they saw this trailer, and I must say I got close. Can't wait for more info on the final game in the series.

3. PS3 - Free motion controller
Though I'm not crazy about them "stealing" Nintendo's idea, this was explosive news. It doesn't look there will be many games that will use this feature, though.

4. Metal Gear Solid 4
Makes me want a PS3. Does Snake really kill himself?

5. Spore
You...are...God. Need I say more?

6. Gears of War
If you don't want to shoot someone, you can just cut their FREAKIN' HEAD OFF WITH A CHAINSAW! A beautiful game for the angry person in all of us.

7. Twilight Princess
We finally got a great demo of the game for the Wii and it is the forerunner in all the Wii games. Can't wait.

8. Assassin's Creed
Simply the best graphics at this year's E3. But is it a good game? Time will tell.

9. Red Steel
Ubisoft never disappoints with these type of game, and I am most excited about this third-party launch title.

10. Final Fantasy XIII
It's Final Fantasy! How could it not make the top 10 list!

[Eugine]

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Many analysts said Sony is going to *lend* the gaming industry to Microsoft for a few years just to get Blu-Ray established.

Read the bold.

[Golden Legacy]

Curious. Does this mean that Sony is willing to sacrifice some market share in the game industry so that the technology becomes mainstream? Fairly risky, but Sony's done it before with both of its previous systems, so I suppose only time will tell.

[Mars Djinni]

If they continue to bring up the decent games, I think they still have a chance in that sense, too.

[Golden Sun Master]

I think that this may not be true - they've still got the industry in its grasp until the Wii is released I expect. There may be good games in the future, not counting them out for blu-ray.

[isaac rules]

ok, i was going with you guys about sony stealing wii's (still hate the name) controller special feature, BUT, its only in six directions which means that it will only be used as a view changer, not the slashing of a sword, or point and shoot technology, that i like to recognize as AWESOME technology. i changed my mind about the wii. its cheap. great features. TINY. im buying it (along with a black sharpie so i can cross out the name and put the name revolution there instead with a blue marker)

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, there's absolutely no reason why someone wouldn't get the Wii isaac rules. Great games, revolutionizing gameplay, Wi Fi and all that for a low price! Sounds like God came to Earth. It would be stupid not to buy it because of the name.

Also, about the PS3 controller. Sony has a lot of time to make it work better, they couldn't make it properly in this (relatively)short time and when it does work right it'll be just the same as the Wiimote.

[Sea of Time]

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Sounds like God came to Earth.

Oh come on, it's not that good. It's a video game!

You know, something happened when the name was changed from Revolution to Wii. Suddenly, the Revolution lost its appeal to mature gamers. I'm not sure that Nintendo can grab the 20 year old market with a name like Wii and launch titles that are 75% rated E. Now, I know that I've made the argument in the past that just because its an E rating doesn't mean it's not fun. Sadly, not all people think this, especially the mature market. Will Nintendo be able to sell consoles to the mature market?

[TheEnglishman]

It'll be more difficult for them now. As you said, would a name like Wii really grab people over twenty?

[Saturos S.]

I don't think about the name of a console when I want to buy one.
And I think Nintendo is just showing more gut then sony, I mean PlayStation 3, :blink: . In that kinda way Wii sounds newer and refreshing.

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, that's your opinion. Now put yourself in the viewpoint of a non-Nintendo-fanboy twenty year old. Would you really buy a system called Wii?

[Aquamarine]

I don't think the name will hurt sails too much, as all people look at the games, the graphics... when buying a console and no one thinks about the name.

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Oh come on, it's not that good. It's a video game!

I was talking about the whole console, not a specific video game. O_o

[Toasty]

Well before I got into gaming, I payed attention to the name quite a bit. When you're not a gamer, you first go for a system who's name you like. Then, you look at what it has to offer and at what price. If it doesn't suit you, you go to the next system. Usually the first one fits. That's why you need a good name.

[Golden Djinn13]

Sea_of_Time, on May 16 2006, 10:18 AM, said:

Will Nintendo be able to sell consoles to the mature market?

It depends on what games they decide to sell now, i guess.

Nintendo's line up of games does look pretty good. The one game that actually grabbed my attention was Disaster: Day of Crisis. I'm gonna look and see if I can find some screenshots from it.

[Toasty]

But don't forget, SSBB and Red Steel may not be out for launch, but they will be out in due time.

[Someone Else]

Check it out:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=mFQz98jAcg8

That's what I call a stampede! I like watching fat people run to play video games.

[Sea of Time]

Aquamarine, on May 17 2006, 12:27 PM, said:

I was talking about the whole console, not a specific video game. O_o

I understand that. But you're making it sound like it will change the world.

It depends also, on what games they decide to push. If they make a ton of ads about Disaster: Day of Crisis and Red Steel, maybe people will get a better idea of how wide of a demographic the Wii will appeal to.

[TheEnglishman]

At the very least you can show the adverts to people who say Nintendo is too kiddy.

[Sea of Time]

Everybody watches tv. I think everyone should be able to see these ads. Just show them on Fox or something.

[Golden Djinn13]

Sea_of_Time, on May 18 2006, 10:16 AM, said:

I understand that. But you're making it sound like it will change the world.

It depends also, on what games they decide to push. If they make a ton of ads about Disaster: Day of Crisis and Red Steel, maybe people will get a better idea of how wide of a demographic the Wii will appeal to.

You stole my exact words. ;)

Unlike the Gamecube, the Wii actually looks like it can appeal to mature gamers.(i'm talking game wise)
Games like Disaster: Day of Crisis actually show that the Wii does have excellent graphics and that it has what it takes to compete with the 360 and PS3.

[Toasty]

Not ot mention project H.A.M.M.E.R. It may turn out to be pretty good. All we know so far is that you swing a hammer around bashing up robots, but there could be more to it.

[Someone Else]

If Nintendo plays their cards right, and launch some cool advertising campaigns in the right magazines, TV channels, etc. they can spark up some good interest.


Check this out:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/16/sony-pic...e-vs-microsoft/

As one comment said, "This is better then a soap opera!"

[Toasty]

Some people just don't get it. The PS3's motion sensitivity isn't nearly as refined as the Wii's. On top of that, since the PS3 took on the idea so late, they will have hardly, if any, motion sensitive launch titles.

[Sea of Time]

Stole my words. So far, all we've seen is the flight sim at E3 using the motion-sensitive controller. Sony isn't revolutionizing anything, they're just adding a second dimension to the PS3's controller.

[Aquamarine]

They will get the motion sensitivity right, they aren't stupid and they have a lot of time to do so. But yes, Warhawk may turn out to be the only launch title that uses the technology.

[Toasty]

No matter how much time Sony has to perfect it, they won't be able to get nearly as good performance from the technology as Nintendo. Mainly since the Wii-mote is copyrighted, and since they won't be able to have distance sensing.

[Aquamarine]

Ugh, this is just stupid. Copyright MEANS NOTHING! Nintendo copyrighted the Rumble Pack right? We all remember what happened after that. Nintendo copyrighted the analog stick, as they were the first to use it. Guess what happened after that?

Sony WILL get the motion sensing right, you mark my words.

[Eugine]

Toasty you don't know Sony... Sony has enough funds to out do Nintendo anyday, so don't get your hopes too high. Sony has some brilliant people so stop the anti-sony campaign.

So yes, like Aqua says, Sony WILL get motion sensing right. Just wait.

[Sea of Time]

The ONLY thing that Sony has going against them is price. Gaming, controller, technology, they've trumped the competition. But will people want to pay $600 to play video games? We'll have to wait and see.

[Eugine]

I just have a feeling Sony will include special content in their harddrive that will urge people to buy the game.

Like for instance, for the 60GB HD PS3, a movie (for instance The Da Vinci Code), an album (any new album), a 1st party game, or some other content can be placed. It wouldn't cost Sony a fortune since downloading content to a HD isn't that hard or expensive.

[Toasty]

Eugine, on May 20 2006, 03:25 AM, said:

Toasty you don't know Sony... Sony has enough funds to out do Nintendo anyday, so don't get your hopes too high. Sony has some brilliant people so stop the anti-sony campaign.

So yes, like Aqua says, Sony WILL get motion sensing right. Just wait.

Spoken like a true sony fanboy... :)

It take more than just money to make a good system. It takes creativity. All Sony does is copy other people's idea. Nintendo actually thinks for themselves, and even Microsoft has original ideas. Sony may get the motion sensing right, but it will always be thought of as a rip off of the Wii by anyone who isn't a Sony fanboy.

[Someone Else]

I think they'll get the Motion-Sensing "right" too, but I think it'll be clumsier than the Wii.

I mean, imagine moving a Dual Shock around to control the motion sensor.

Now, imagine moving a TV remote around to control the motion sensor.


See what I mean?

[Toasty]

Exactly. That's what I was getting at. Unless Sony drastically changes the shape of their controller, they ain't gonna get nothin' right. With motion sensing I mean.

[Eugine]

You're overstating.
They did it right with the Warhark flying simulation. Watch it yourself.

And mind you toasty, I'm just the one who defends Sony around here since the majority of people just bashes sony (maybe except SoT)... I enjoy both Nintendo AND Sony's world. Owned PS2, PS1, GC, GBA, DS and those old Nintendo console.

I think I can judge well.

[Someone Else]

Why, though? Sony doesn't do much for the gaming industry, they just piggyback on what Nintendo/Sega/Atari have done to gaming to get profit for their already huge company.

The only thing they've done on the PS that's actually going to have some sort of an effect is the Blu Ray, and that doesn't actually have much to do with gaming, anyway. Name one thing Sony have done that's changed gaming for the better.

Don't get me wrong though, I like PLAYSTATION just fine, it's SONY I hate.


And I still find it hard to imagine moving a Dual Shock with two hands to aim or whatever. Using one hand seems much more effective.

[Toasty]

I know. I just can't see someone being able to point and click as effectively with a dualshock controller, than with a remote that's practically a laser pointer.

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, I guess WD and Toasty are right about the Dual Shock and Wiimote thing. It would feel more natural to use something shaped like the Wiimote.

Eugine, every website I've been to says Warhawk's motion-sensing wasn't that good, though they say it's the controller's fault, not the game's. If you hold the controller to one side the plane will move there, but it will return to it's previous state before you move the controller back. And there were some other things...
But even though their controller wasn't perfect at E3, I still say they will get it right. They have a lot of time to do so.

[Eugine]

Both Nintendo and Sony's controller needs perfecting. None is perfect, remember its demonstrations you saw, they planned everything.

http://www.gamesindu...e.php?aid=17314
His theory does make a point.

And Sony did help gaming. Sony was really the company that made gaming into an idustry. Really think of it, before the gaming "industry" was considered just another sector. After Sony's introduction of the PS, gaming was really taken serious, many people came on the Sony bandwagon, they brought competition. Now people HAD to do things right.
Sony caused gaming to be the central electronics in a household. Really check it out. Before Sony, consoles were just left there - anyway until use.

But I admit, Sony isn't perfect and didn't contribute as much to gaming as Nintendo, but Nintendo isn't and wouldn't be the "savior" of gaming in anyway. Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony competing; competition is the savior of gaming; like any other industry.
Do you honestly belive Nintendo would become so "innovatie" if it was in Sony's position? No, when Nintendo dominated the Console war, the SNES was just an upgrade to the NES. They had to do something to gain the market share back people. Stop being clouded. Think business-like and you'd realise what I'm talking about.

[Golden Legacy]

Eugine, on May 26 2006, 10:59 PM, said:

You're overstating.
They did it right with the Warhark flying simulation. Watch it yourself.

Eugine, it's worth mentioning that developers weren't even informed of the tilt function in the controller until just a week or two before E3. The Warhawk demo was put together in that time, and even the director (or producer, I can't quite remember) said that he didn't even know Sony had such functionality.

The point: Sony randomly and only recently implemented the tilt function, and sacrificed Rumble functionality to do so, only to try to challenge Nintendo's controller. It's not the basis of the controller, it's only an add-on function that has a lot less time to be used effectively in games.

[Someone Else]

I'm not saying I want Sony and Microsoft to burn in heck and leave Nintendo on their own, no. Nintendo's still a company, and companies are all still big money-making... things.

Wasn't PS2 just an upgrade of the original PS, as well? It used the exact same controller. PS3 has an upgrade of the controller. (albeit an unoriginal one)

In a perfect "gaming world", though, EVERY company would work to dish out new innovations, keeping the world of gaming fresh, to make themself stand out from the crowd. Additionally, they would try to make their consoles affordable and maybe even CHEAPER than other consoles if it's possible. Does Sony do EITHER of these things? No, they jacked the Wiimote and their console's going to be 500+ US Dollars. Hmm...

[Eugine]

WD, that's the point I'm trying to bring about.

Thee PS2 was just an upgrade of the PS because Sony was dominating the gaming industry. Why change when what you're doing is already bring about tremendous profits?
I as a company, would only change, to regain market share, that's exactly what Nintendo did. They were innovative and I'm proud of it, but if Sony was in Nintendo's position they'd do the exact thing. Think of something new.

It happened to Sony in other industries and aren't you see how innovative they are? The new Sony cameras, Walkman phone, reader, TVs, etc. are all innovative.
Their gaining market share like a horse too. Maybe it might happen to Nintendo here :)

[Mars Djinni]

Great minds think alike. There are many great minds in Sony and Nintendo. It's just that Sony is a huge media company, and flow their brilliance onto other products. Nintendo has just gaming, so it's bound to be more creative than overall companies like Microsoft and Sony. That's why Playstation and Xbox are compatible with other media besides games more adeptly than Nintendo. That sums it up, more or less.

[Sea of Time]

Oh boy, we're getting into the fanboy point and blame game. I love this. >_>

Here's the story. Nintendo saved the gaming industry with the NES after Atari and E.T. killed it. NES sold units worldwide like no other gaming system could. Then the Genesis dropped a low blow on Nintendo by introducing Sonic. Sonic was faster and more appealing than Mario, gamers turned to speed.

Then, in comes Sony who scoffs at the 16 bit generation. Looking to the future, Sony releases the Playstation which revolutionizes home gaming and takes it to the next level. Crash Bandicoot is still one of the best selling game franchises of all time. Nintendo improved on the 3D experience with Super Mario 64. Then, Sega fights back into the picture with the Dreamcast. Sega is short lived after Sony again drops the bomb that is Playstation 2. Once again they revolutionize gaming. XBox gives good competition and Gamecube lives in the shadows satisfying only the hardcore Nintendo fans.

Now, the question is, can Sony live up to its own expectations with the PS3, or will Nintendo catch up to them or pass them?

Sony has marketed gaming to an older market that had not seen gaming as something that would appeal to them. Nintendo is looking to take this to the next level by not only appealing to the 10-30 male market, but to everyone.

Sony is sticking with their bread and butter, superior graphical power. But will consumers want to pay $600 to play a video game? I guess we'll see this November.

[Aquamarine]

Sea_of_Time, on May 27 2006, 07:53 PM, said:

Then, in comes Sony who scoffs at the 16 bit generation. Looking to the future, Sony releases the Playstation which revolutionizes home gaming and takes it to the next level. Crash Bandicoot is still one of the best selling game franchises of all time. Nintendo improved on the 3D experience with Super Mario 64. Then, Sega fights back into the picture with the Dreamcast. Sega is short lived after Sony again drops the bomb that is Playstation 2. Once again they revolutionize gaming. XBox gives good competition and Gamecube lives in the shadows satisfying only the hardcore Nintendo fans.

Actually, the PS2 sold 100 million units worldwide, while XBox sold 22 million and GC 21 mil. So it wasn't only GC in the shadows, it was both the GC and XBox.

[Sea of Time]

Sony had the element of surprise so to speak. Gamecube only sold that many because of all the Nintendo fans in the world.

[Toasty]

I agree that Sony has a lot of money, and has made good sytems. But it takes more than graphics to make a good game. I takes innovation. Something Sony hasn't truly used since the original PS. I may prefer Nintendo to Sony and Microsoft, but I'm not a fanboy. I've played Halo2 and crash bandicoot, and at one point or another, I wanted an XBox or a PS2 more than a nintendo consol. Heck, I own numerous Sony products like a 5 disc DVD player, and numerous micrsoft games. All I'm saying is that Nintendo has made more innovations than Sony when it comes to the gaming consol world. The only time Nintendo didn't really make an innovation was with the GC. All they did was make a very small consol that could survive from a 5 story fall. I doubt anyone would want to go skydiving with a GC.

[Someone Else]

Toasty said my point. Eugine, you're right that Sony jump-started the industry, but other than that, they haven't done much. They house good games like FF and DOA for a while, but I would respect them more if they dished out more innovations rather than just sitting like a big lump as console king.

[Golden Legacy]

Agree with Wind Dude.

And think about it; Sony's not expanding the market in anyway (not as Nintendo is doing, at least), only appealing to the same audience.

Sony's on top now. But there's only one way to go from there, and that's down.

[BrkNgThaBit]

Well the Halo franshice is ending (good riddance) so the xbox will suck, ps3 and metal gear solid 4: guns of patriots. That looks like a great game

[Aquamarine]

So, who do you guys think will win this console war? I think Sony will remain on top, the name is just too well-known and there are too many fans for the console to flop so quickly, but I think they will have much less than 80-90% of the market to themselves(like with the PS2). Nintendo will be second, what with the Wii being so cheap and having the innovative controller, which many people will want to try out.

[Someone Else]

Could be either way, people might be scared of the PS3's price and just stick with their PS2s.

Actually, I think the Wii will win on the X-mas of 2006, since it's so cheap and has a few strong launch titles. When the PS3's price drops, though, there's a good chance it'll bite back.

[Eugine]

Adults will buy PS3 for Blu-ray, not for games, console will sell well (sell out infact) but game-console ratio will be low this year.

[Someone Else]

I think most will wait until actual HD DVDs come out. That's what my dad's doing.

[Toasty]

The PS3 will sell, not quite as well as Eugine said, but it will at least be sold out for the first few days of it's launch. Because of it's price, only adults, and most, but not all Sony fanboys, will get it. Once the price drops however, the PS3 will sell very well, at least as long as the price drops sufficiently enough.

As for the Wii, it's being supported on all sides, even from it's usual enemies. Good price, good games, good overall gameplay. I'd expect it to be sold out for at least a few weeks, if not a month.

The 360 already did it's major selling, so it won't sell much this season. Most of the people who wanted one got one.

[Eugine]

You are just as biased as me. You're just saying what you want to happen.

HONESTLY, from what the majority of retailers are saying as well as consumers. The Xbox will have a stronger shopping season than the Wii. People are hyping up the Wii now, but the only game that will probably rock on the Wii around shopping season is Zelda.

And WD, HD-DVDs are out already, by time the PS3 is released they'd be over 100 HD movies (both Blu-ray and HD-DVD).

[Golden Djinn13]

I have a strong feeling that Sony may actually drop the PS3's price before launch. A survey showed that in Japan, more people would rather buy the Wii because the Playstation is just too expensive. I hope this is a little reality check to Sony that they are being morons for selling a console at that high of a price.

As a side note, I disagree with what Toasty said. The 360 is not done at all, it is actually coming out with a lot of good games. Microsoft wasn't just gonna release all their good games at the launch. They want to shoot down their competition with Halo 3, Gears of War, etc.

[Someone Else]

Eugine, on Jun 1 2006, 09:52 PM, said:

And WD, HD-DVDs are out already, by time the PS3 is released they'd be over 100 HD movies (both Blu-ray and HD-DVD).

Rawr, that wasn't what my dad said. Oh well.

[Aquamarine]

There is some evidence that the Wii will cost $149!!! That would be awesome, though I think it'll be $199, $149 is just way too low...

[Toasty]

Eugine, on Jun 1 2006, 07:52 PM, said:

You are just as biased as me. You're just saying what you want to happen.

I'm not biased at all. I don't really care which system does the best, because that won't change which one I'll be able to buy.

[Blink]

"I'm not biased!" is the best way to prove that you actually ARE.

PS3 won't be anything more than an exclusive Ebay item this year, like the 360 was last year. The 360 on the other hand, will be selling all over the world like hotcakes. Fall titles will push it along.

But then again, Nintendo has such a huge following, they'll be selling as many Wii as they can produce.

[Someone Else]

My dad read somewhere that the PS3 now has a "better" motion-sensor than the Wii. That true?

[Blink]

Not according to hands on reports. The controllers don't need a sensor bar(pro) but they're infinitely less precise(con). So you don't need to worry about where you put the console in your setup(pro) but the controllers can't point at anything, they just notice shaking and tilting(con).

[Someone Else]

So what you're saying is that the Wii is generally more effective, but the PS3's is easier to just "jump right in" and "get into it". That sounds about right.

My dad is a big of a gadget geek. I reckon that the article he read was made by a fellow gadget geek, who was heavily biased in favor of Sony (who makes all the neat, spiffy little gadgets) as opposed to Nintendo. (who don't make any spiffy little gadgets)

D=

Actually, based on the Wii's crazy success at E3, I think it'll sell out fast. It ought to be a hot item this year.

[Aquamarine]

The PS3 will also be a hot item this winter, but which one will sell better around the holiday season? I don't really know, since both of the consoles have things going for and against them.

[FlamingDuck]

People will love the PS3. But lots of people like their $600 more. The Wii sounds iffy. I dunno...I still don't get how people like the name. Just...no. Yeah, thats my opinion.

[Someone Else]

We discussed the name a billion times before. Most of us aren't crazy about the name either.

NORMAL people will buy the console even if they don't like the name.