[Drizzy Drake]

I knew he had to get some ass sooner or later.

[Someone Else]

Fat guy is back and talking again.

[Zeypher]

That made me lol.

And what is this Home thing?

[Drizzy Drake]

I also want some GoW3.

It's like the Sims, except better. Somebody else explain it, becasue that sucked.

[Someone Else]

Seems we were shown a bunch of downloadable games. Okay. Does anyone care about these things though?

[Drizzy Drake]

Also, I want some more Heavy Rain footage. The trailer was odd, but it looks good.

[Someone Else]

Yes, let's hear about Heavy Rain again. Looked interesting.We were just shown Gran Turismo. I'm not that interested in it, so I just watched something else in the background. Fat Guy is talking again, now he's talking about Home.

[Drizzy Drake]

Fucking A, GT5.

[Someone Else]

This has been a boring conference so far. That was a very brief trailer of Home. I'm almost tempted to say the Nintendo conference was better. He's talking about some TV/movie service... unimpressed

[Drizzy Drake]

Still better than Nintendo. I think, atleast.

[Someone Else]

It's difficult to say. I've seen nothing redeeming in the Sony Conference, at least Animal Crossing was kind of neat with voice chat on the Nintendo conference.So basically there's a service where you can buy movies over the PS Store and you can put it on your PSP. I think. I've only been half paying attention.

PSP talk now. Games please?

[Kuchiyose]

Cloverfield, awful film xD

[Someone Else]

Oh joy, Resistance on PSP. :P

[Kuchiyose]

Quote

Oh joy, Resistance on PSP. dry.gif

I was about to say that xD

[Someone Else]

Nothing amazing so far. Where's the big announcements?

[Drizzy Drake]

Maybe Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft called each other and agreed to screw with the fans' heads this year.

[Zeypher]

lol.
I don't think anybody really cares about E3 anymore.

[Caael]

No, you're just depressed about nintendo's sucking :P

[Someone Else]

Blah blah blah, I'm going to watch an anime. Somebody poke me when something good's up.

[Drizzy Drake]

Ya, tihs is bad.

[Kuchiyose]

There all hiding something............

EDIT: That DC online video looked like some of it lagged?

[Drizzy Drake]

E3 2008=epic fail.

[Kuchiyose]

Quote

E3 2008=epic fail.

Sadly yes it has been crap xD

[Someone Else]

GoW 3 talk/video

[Drizzy Drake]

Thank god. Finally, something worthwhile.

[Someone Else]

...well that was short. Hmm. The game they just showed looked interesting. Infamous. Worth keeping an eye on.

Wow, a game that supports 256 player battles. That's epic.

[Caael]

256? You joking?

Woah...which game is that?

[Drizzy Drake]

Yes, that is epic. What game is this? Infamous?

[Someone Else]

MAG. Massive Action Game. =P

Cool, this conference wasn't a total waste. Now, PC or bust. XD I suck with console FPS for online...

That's all, folks!

[Drizzy Drake]

That's not it's fucking name.



Is it?

xD.

EDIT-Yay, so Sony stole the show, even if they sucked.

[Kuchiyose]

MAG. Massive Action Game, geez the video was cool, although 256 and using a system which determines which is leader is cool xD

[Zeypher]

Caael, on Jul 15 2008, 01:41 PM, said:

No, you're just depressed about nintendo's sucking :P

Maybe at first, but now I've acknowledged it XD

[Someone Else]

I'm pretty sure it is. I was only half-paying attention at that point.

I think Microsoft stole it. There was too much crap in Sony's conference. MAG wasn't enough.

[Golden Legacy]

Press conference wise, Microsoft easily is first, though Sony pulled itself together towards the end.

Keep in mind that the actual E3 showcase is just beginning, it lasts for the rest of the week. Still much to come.

[TheEnglishman]

From what I've heard, it sounded pretty good. It beat the Nintendo one on the amount of content.

[Someone Else]

Let's hope so. MAG is a bit of a mixed bag of goods for me. 256 people online broke up into 8 man squads? Great. But I reeeaaaalllly don't like console FPS for playing online. Gamepads are too slow and inaccurate for FPS for me.

[Drizzy Drake]

Wow, nice name. xD.

We needed more game footage though. And better games.

[Zeypher]

What is this MAG thing? I turned it off after they were talking about how leet the PS2 is.

[Someone Else]

Read through the last posts I made.

[TheEnglishman]

They certainly provided a lot of games, and big name ones like LittleBigPlanet and God of War.

[Eugine]

I can't post in this topic.
:P

[Someone Else]

Ya just did, though. =O

[Caael]

Too busy cutting youself?

[Kuchiyose]

hahaha wut?

[Eugine]

Anyway, this FF13 announcement, although a tremendous disappointment to Sony, is not fatal.
We're still gonna come 2nd this generation.

[Aquamarine]

Eugine, on Jul 15 2008, 10:22 PM, said:

Anyway, this FF13 announcement, although a tremendous disappointment to Sony, is not fatal.
We're still gonna come 2nd this generation.

Why do you say "We" when you don't work for Sony. They're not going to give you any money or thank you if they come out as second, y'know.

Oh, and you guys are not going to come 2nd this generation. Sorry 'bout that.

[Nosferatu]

Aquamarine, on Jul 15 2008, 01:54 PM, said:

Why do you say "We" when you don't work for Sony. They're not going to give you any money or thank you if they come out as second, y'know.

Oh, and you guys are not going to come 2nd this generation. Sorry 'bout that.

Careful. They could be the Meta.
And not first either. Let's clear up that hole so he can't say that.

Edit: While I'm at it I was just at Future Shop for about 45 minutes looking at flat screen 1080Ps and there was someone in the PS3 section looking for a game. He was still there when I left.

[Aquamarine]

Nosferatu, on Jul 15 2008, 11:00 PM, said:

Careful. They could be the Meta.
And not first either. Let's clear up that hole so he can't say that.

Edit: While I'm at it I was just at Future Shop for about 45 minutes looking at flat screen 1080Ps and there was someone in the PS3 section looking for a game. He was still there when I left.

Damn, you're right. How foolish of me not to remember that right away...

[Golden Legacy]

^ Ha.

You know, it suddenly strikes me too. Nintendo is going after the casual market as its main focus, no doubt about that, but then I wonder about all the major titles Wii has gotten. Zelda (GameCube port it may be), Mario, Metroid, Smash, Kart... those are some of Nintendo's AAA and most cherished franchises, and we've already seen more than solid entries in all of them.

I suppose this "gap" in the hardcore market was inevitable, both as a result of switching resources to developing casual games and because we've already gotten so many hardcore games.

My guess is, Nintendo has plenty of games it is working on (as Iwata mentioned) by EAD, its main and strongest development team. But it's simply been too soon since the release of Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Smash, etc. for them to have had the time to create new hardcore titles, at least not so soon.

So in the meanwhile, they use the time to develop these casual titles - unfortunate as it is for us - because they also happen to sell well and can keep the company going.

[Ironsight]

Has M$ gone yet? I haven't been keeping track.

[Zeypher]

E3 isn't technically over yet...so we can still see a video of something much like Brawl.
Oh well, we have to rely on 3rd party for now... theres a new trailer for Mad World out...

[Drizzy Drake]

One Wii game I'm actually looking forward to.

[Golden Legacy]

Again, it's surprising. Mad World. The Conduit. Tales of Symphonia 2. Surely they should have been mentioned?


EDIT: Also, unsurprisingly, Miyamoto confirmed a Zelda for Wii is being worked on. IGN also mentioned:

At GDC 2007, Eiji Aonuma gave a presentation on The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. At that time, he showed a brief snippet of an experimentation the Zelda team conducted -- it was Twilight Princess running in the first-person view. We asked Miyamoto if such a fundamental change could await players of Wii's next Zelda adventure.

http://wii.ign.com/a...0/890200p1.html

[Zeypher]

Already knew they were in development, but that article gives me something other than disappointing news to update my site with XD

edit- Shiggy denying Kid Icarus Wii? http://wii.ign.com/a...0/890103p1.html

edit 2- Shiggy talking about M$'s Miis Avatars http://wii.ign.com/a...0/890212p1.html

[Ironsight]

What the hell? Why does the Xbox have Mii's? I hate those things.

[Someone Else]

Golden Legacy, on Jul 15 2008, 06:02 PM, said:

At GDC 2007, Eiji Aonuma gave a presentation on The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. At that time, he showed a brief snippet of an experimentation the Zelda team conducted -- it was Twilight Princess running in the first-person view. We asked Miyamoto if such a fundamental change could await players of Wii's next Zelda adventure.

First person Zelda? No thanks.

Golden Legacy, on Jul 15 2008, 05:15 PM, said:

Zelda (GameCube port it may be), Mario, Metroid, Smash, Kart... those are some of Nintendo's AAA and most cherished franchises, and we've already seen more than solid entries in all of them.

I suppose this "gap" in the hardcore market was inevitable, both as a result of switching resources to developing casual games and because we've already gotten so many hardcore games.

Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Mario Kart are hardcore? =O

[gsninja]

Wind Dude, on Jul 15 2008, 07:38 PM, said:

Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Mario Kart are hardcore? =O

Haha...Ahahahaha...

I'm disappointed with the fact that Nintendo's still making the Wii too casual, or at least looking like it is. No ToS: Dawn of a New World or The Conduit mentions, to say the least. Still, I can't believe that a Grand Theft Auto game is coming to the DS.

Fallout 3 just looks amazing. I can't wait to see more videos on it.

[Someone Else]

gsninja, on Jul 15 2008, 08:38 PM, said:

I'm disappointed with the fact that Nintendo's still making the Wii too casual, or at least looking like it is.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a288/Gohma27/reggie_not_my_prbds.jpg

"Not my problem."

[Golden Legacy]

Wind Dude, on Jul 15 2008, 10:38 PM, said:

Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Mario Kart are hardcore? =O

Entries in hardcore franchises.

Better?

[Toasty]

ZOMG NO ONE CARES ABOUT GH: ON TOUR!!

That lady is INCREDIBLY boring. Iwata is barely understandable, and ALL of them talk too slow. I've been yawning.

[Golden Legacy]

The lady's voice is nauseating, yes, but Iwata has always been like that... dude, you know, he is Japanese. I think that's a bit unfair. =/

[Toasty]

Yeah, but still.....

Wii music looks interesting. At least it has drums.

[Golden Legacy]

Just to hit the point home, not only does Iwata choose to speak in his non-native English, but at the Game Developer's Conference in 2005, he spoke the entire keynote, in a language that's not his mother tongue, with a sore throat.

*angry twitch* [/Iwata-is-sexy fanboy]


For me, I can't get over how realistic the controls for the sword dueling component of Wii Sports 2. Regretfully, it was the highlight of the show in my opinion, but still looks to control awesome. I can't wait to see how it's incorporated in future games.

[Toasty]

ZOMG NINTENDO IS TRYING TO DISRUPT OUR THINKING!

*ahem*

Anyway, I'm happy that CoD:WaW is comming to the Wii. I just hope it's better than CoD3, because that sucked hard.

[Ironsight]

Shooting and moving in Fallout: 3 looked robotic/unatural too me. Has it always been like that?

[Someone Else]

It's using the same engine as Oblivion.

Which is bad. Bethesda needs to drop that engine, seriously... correct me if I'm wrong, they've had it since Morrowind.

[Caael]

Hurry up with Fallout 3 and ANNOUNCE ES5 DAMN YOU!

[Someone Else]

You seem to be the audience Bethesda is targeting. =/

[Legolastom]

Hey Toasty you still got the link to that article? I would like to believe them but unless they announce some "Upper tier" games soon then I dont think I can.

Also I had a dream last night about AC: City folk which involed rape, football and an atomic explosion. Yeah, it was whacking awesome (Seriously I am not lieing).

[Split Infinity]

I'm not reading through 16 god damn pages. Somebody summarise the important things.

[Zeypher]

M$ has Miis and was funny, Nintendo finally has voice chat but had virtually no "core" games, and Sony has a 255 player online FPS and was boring.

[Legolastom]

M$ had Miis and was only funny to Zeypher they also had FF13 and a bunch of trailers for great games coming out later this year was shown, Nintendo had AC and voice chat, Sony had that massive game and had trailers for a bunch of other games as well (But I didnt actually watch it so I cant give specifics).

All I know was that Nintendo epic failed.

[Zeypher]

Oh yeah, forgot about FF13.

[Legolastom]

What is your site anyway?

[Toasty]

Legolastom, on Jul 16 2008, 04:40 AM, said:

Hey Toasty you still got the link to that article? I would like to believe them but unless they announce some "Upper tier" games soon then I dont think I can.

Also I had a dream last night about AC: City folk which involed rape, football and an atomic explosion. Yeah, it was whacking awesome (Seriously I am not lieing).

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that was directed at Zeypher or someone else?

I had a dream last night where I was in the movie "Mr. and Mrs. Smith," and half of it was at a fair place thing, and then They were shooting at eachother in the house, and then the FBI came, and I was like "Don't worry, I'll handle this" and I told the FBI that I was lying, and then two kinda hot FBI agents handcuffed me, and then for some reason I couldn't stand up straight, so they were laughing and trying to carry me to a van, and then all of a sudden I was in Starwars: Battlefront 2, and the three of us were in turrets shooting things.

It was pretty wierd.

[Zeypher]

Omg guys, Nintendo just announced Mother 3!

[Legolastom]

No it was aimed at you, but maybe you were not reffering to that old article XS

Editr: Mother 3 is old.

[Zeypher]

Hmm I just remembered something...in the back of the most recent Nintendo Power, they had a little preview thing for a game that will be shown at E3, and it showed a sword with a blue background and the hint was "It's got a lot of heart"...what could that game be? Nothing that involved swords and "heart" was shown at E3..other than the sword fighting in Wii Sports Resort...

[Toasty]

Legolastom, on Jul 16 2008, 05:57 AM, said:

No it was aimed at you, but maybe you were not reffering to that old article XS

Editr: Mother 3 is old.

Mother 3 was never made. At least that's what I thought.


Anyway, I was referring to what Reggie said at the end of the Nintendo conference yesterday. Something about "Positive Disruption disrupting the industry positively in a positively disrupting way. Positively." Something like that. It was probably more exaggerated. :P

[Legolastom]

Well if I can find the article you will understand what he is talking about. Basically Nintendo are turning the "Casual" gamers into actuall gamers slowly by releasing games which move up some tier list of games.

Edit: http://malstrom.50we...om/birdman.html thats the article, read the entire thing. Its worth it.

[Zeypher]

So eventually all the "casual" gamers will be "hardcore", and there won't be any "casual" games anymore?

[Legolastom]

Something like that.

[Caael]

This sums up E3 perfectly:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2008/20080716.jpg

[Nosferatu]

Yeah that looks about right. And hasn't the PS3 been promising more already?

[Someone Else]

Guys? Guys. GUYS!!

http://kotaku.com/50...d-risingfor-wii

:D :o :o :o

[Drizzy Drake]

Is that that zombie mall game? Yeah, that sucked.

[Caael]

Wtf it's nang.

[Someone Else]

Dipset, on Jul 16 2008, 12:42 PM, said:

Is that that zombie mall game? Yeah, that sucked.

I've heard mixed things about it. I thought it looked fun.

[Legolastom]

Its good if you havent just faced a hard boss 3 times, finnalty beat it, then be forced to follow someone then on your long trek back to find a save point get killed by some random people with a jeep that has a turret on the back.

whacking stupid game.

[Nosferatu]

A game is not stupid just because you suck.

Anybody looking forward to Sonic Unleashed...huh.

[Legolastom]

How the whack am I supposed to kill people who are driving a jeep with a turret on the back when I cant even run and all I have is a pipe and a long stick!? And that was the only way to the fing save point.

Hate that stupid game >_>

[Nosferatu]

Lets see. You could get them to crash into a tree and then wail on them? Sorta like people could figure out after taking a second to think?

[Caael]

You could always give it to me Tom :D

[Legolastom]

You played the game?

[TheEnglishman]

Nosferatu, on Jul 16 2008, 09:00 PM, said:

A game is not stupid just because you suck.

Anybody looking forward to Sonic Unleashed...huh.

I'm cautiously optimistic. It looks good but my worry is that it will follow the cycle:
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9480/cyclezn4.gif

[Caael]

Legolastom, on Jul 16 2008, 09:54 PM, said:

You played the game?

I played the demo, and it was pretty decent.

[Legolastom]

No I was talking to DS.

And Halo wars looks fing awesome. http://uk.xbox360.ig...0/890357p1.html

[Laharl]

LOL @ FFXIII

i've been saying that for the last year or so, whack you fanboys. whack you

[Caael]

Kinda gone of Fallout and Too Human

So my games list at the moment has shrunk drastically

Far Cry 2
Halo Wars
Prince of Persia
Gears of War 2
Fable 2

[Golden Legacy]

Me111, on Jul 16 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

I'm cautiously optimistic. It looks good but my worry is that it will follow the cycle:
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9480/cyclezn4.gif

LOL! So true, so true.

But at the risk of falling into the pattern, Sonic Unleashed is based on an entirely new engine, and you can see it from the trailer. Insanely frantic and quick, this is exactly what Sonic 3D should be. Looks fantastic.

I'm a little hesitant about the nighttime/werewolf segments however, though I'll refrain judgment until I see gameplay from that.


EDIT: I can't find a link, but apparently Nintendo is hosting a private, closed conference at 5pm PST (8pm EST). Brawl was revealed in a similar fashion two years ago.

[Legolastom]

What I wanna know is when were the original games about Sonic going amazingly fast anyway? Think about when you played over them...

[Zeypher]

Yeah, I'm also hoping something is shown there. Sadly, it's a private developer's conference iirc, so we can't watch it (can't find it on IGN or GameSpot, so yeah :\ )

[Laharl]

Golden Legacy, on Jul 16 2008, 11:19 PM, said:

Might there still be hope?

for what?

Metroid 11?
Zelda 15?
Mario eleventybillion?

[Golden Legacy]

Pikmin would do it for me actually.

[Someone Else]

Laharl, on Jul 16 2008, 04:17 PM, said:

for what?

Metroid 11?
Zelda 15?
Mario eleventybillion?

That's better than what we're getting, dude...

I'm actually kind of excited for Animal Crossing now. Could be fun if everybody on GSSF played and online was better/easier to use than Wild World's.

[Golden Legacy]

You know, that's actually a great idea, it would be a great way to interact with everyone. And hey, WiiSpeak + GSSF is bound to lead to some hilarity. XD

[Someone Else]

My problem with WiiSpeak is that it claims to capture all sound in the room. Seriously. WTF Nintendo. What about people with small houses? What's wrong with a headset? You're going to get a lot of other crap in there during voice chat.

My TV is in the living room, and besides bedrooms and bathrooms the living room is basically the only room of the house. Hell, my computer is here and the kitchen is even technically in the living room.

[Kuchiyose]

Oooooo private I see, then their hiding something big then (I hope xD)

[Legolastom]

LMAO they finnaly decide to get voice chat and they somehow make that casual as well!!?

[Zeypher]

I fail to see how a headset is "hardcore" lol.

[Kuchiyose]

LOL hardcore headsetsXD

[Legolastom]

I fail to see how everything not dumbed down by Nintendo is hardcore.

[Golden Legacy]

WiiSpeak seems to work well with Animal Crossing's type of gameplay, an "open" one for the community.

[Kuchiyose]

Quote

WiiSpeak seems to work well with Animal Crossing's type of gameplay, an "open" one for the community.

Yeah you eb able to hear people better, unlike COD4 on Xbox 360, blimey xD

[Legolastom]

Was that sarcasm Kuch?

[Kuchiyose]

just a bitXD usually when i go on my mates wireless headset, usually I can't hear my self think with all the users screaming XD

[Zeypher]

I think the Wii speak is more "hardcore" than a headset, since all players can talk, and you don't have to waste money on seperate headsets. It's just that Wii Speak is a funny name, and headset sounds kewl.

[Golden Legacy]

Any word yet on that private conference of Nintendo's? Some people are saying that it's just going to be a Q&A session about Animal Crossing, others think they're going to reveal a major title like they did Brawl two years ago.

[Legolastom]

Well imagine what it will be like with the Wii one XD

Actually that would be whacking annoying, with everyone hearing what is happening in your room (No privacy) and you hearing what will be happening in everyone else's room.

Edit: Only on a few games would you actually want to hear everyone else in the room. And a headset comes free with a 360 while you have to buy AC / the thing seperatley.

[Zeypher]

I dunno, maybe they'll have a sound filter or something, but I can see that presenting a problem >.<

@GL- I haven't heard anything about it yet...when does it end?

[Kuchiyose]

Quote

Well imagine what it will be like with the Wii one XD

Actually that would be whacking annoying, with everyone hearing what is happening in your room (No privacy) and you hearing what will be happening in everyone else's room.

Ale your teas ready! Aww Mom im playing with my friedns xD

yeah no privacy, that can't be good :S

[Golden Legacy]

Zeypher, on Jul 16 2008, 08:44 PM, said:

@GL- I haven't heard anything about it yet...when does it end?

No idea, but it definitely should have started by now, yes? 5pm PST/8pm EST... hmm. I wonder if it's at all related to The Conduit presentation (I know it's an hour later, but still?)


EDIT: liveblogging.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/16/liveblog...per-roundtable/

EDIT2: Never mind. Not worth it, it seems. =/

[Kuchiyose]

Well the live blog is giving info on new features of animal crossing, so its quite useful xD

[Golden Legacy]

I guess. Right now though, I'm watching IGN's live video demonstration of The Conduit.

http://livewire.ign....8/e3/index.html

EDIT: eh? Warhead?

[Kuchiyose]

aaah i'll watch that instead, way more interesting xD

EDIT: Crysis?

[Zeypher]

Yeah, it seems IGN is delayed by 30 minutes XD

[Golden Legacy]

Lovely. Seriously, what the hell? Arrgh.

[Kuchiyose]

Yeah its Crysis now xD

[Golden Legacy]

*sigh* Why Nintendo, why.



http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p384/mappster22/bondwii.gif

[Kuchiyose]

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p236/fernando_rocker/FernandoE3.gif

I agree xD

[Golden Legacy]

lol.

The Conduit live feed is up! Looks fantastic in real-time. Incredibly smooth.

[Someone Else]

Ooh The Conduit.

Ooh Crysis Warhead

[Kuchiyose]

argh it froze!?

[Zeypher]

What the hell.

[Someone Else]

Can't even go back to see Crysis Warhead. O.o

[Zeypher]

It hasn't even started for me >.>

[Kuchiyose]

Damn you Windows

[Someone Else]

Woot woot, Dragon Age.

EDIT: whack this my mom, there's nothing to see here.

Legolastom, on Jul 16 2008, 05:43 PM, said:

Actually that would be whacking annoying, with everyone hearing what is happening in your room (No privacy) and you hearing what will be happening in everyone else's room.

That's my problem with it. The only TV is in the living room and everybody, well, lives there.

[Zeypher]

OMG NINTENDO JUST CONFIRMED KID ICARUS WII.

[Someone Else]

You're my momting me.

Links or it didn't happen! Live Wire isn't working.

[Zeypher]

No I'm whackin with you. But at the developer's conference...there are 4 Wiis and 3 games...hmm...

[Golden Legacy]

Why do we have a 4th Wii, one might ask? Well, to reveal our next title... Wii Sports Resort Workout!


EDIT: The Conduit to have 16 player online AND voice chat!
http://www.nintendoj....php?1216257792

[Zeypher]

Cool, now this frickin live wire needs to work >.<

[Golden Legacy]

PIKMIN confirmed by Miyamoto himself!

...
wait, that's it? the event is over?

[Zeypher]

YES!

[Golden Legacy]

(more constructive posts, please, Zeyph)

yeah, it looks like that's it. Probably still well in development from the sounds of it.

[Zeypher]

I was hoping for a surprise announcement of Kid Icarus...but oh well.
Did the Live Wire thing ever work? I closed it out after an hour of waiting...

[Golden Legacy]

They had a brief showing of The Conduit with one of the members from High Voltage, looked great. Previews and hands-on with the E3 build will be uploaded, if not already.

[Someone Else]

The only good thing to come out of this is, Nintendo's going to learn from now on not to avoid it's core audience. Heck, I doubt even Japan itself is happy with this. This has been an extremely underwhelming E3.

[Golden Legacy]

I agree, I'm really disappointed in Nintendo... not to mention how negligent they are of the few worthy titles that are coming out. Mad World? The Conduit? Tales of Symphonia 2? Chrono Trigger DS? How could these titles be shunted aside for Wii Music and Sports Resort? Nintendo didn't even mention them!

[Someone Else]

Don't forget Disaster: Day of Crisis. We haven't heard anything from it in a while.

I don't think there's a single person out there who liked Nintendo's E3. Is it over yet, anyway?

[Golden Legacy]

Disaster: Day of Crisis, that too. Actually looked quite promising.

E3? I think it continues on until at least tomorrow, but yeah, it's basically done with.

[Zeypher]

Maybe we'll see something at the Tokyo Game Show?
Nintendo is a Japanese based company, so perhaps they'll show all their cool stuff on their home turf?

[Blue]

So, E3 kind of sucked giant floppy donkey duck this year. Nothing of real interest at all. =/

[Someone Else]

I have games to look forward to on the PC side. =) SPORE, dammit. Crysis Warhead. Dragon Age: Origins. Fallout 3 (maybe...) and FarCry 2. I'd say Diablo III, but not for a while.

Huh. I had something to say about Animal Crossing but I completely forgot what it was.

So I'll just say this instead:

*Real holidays are back, including Christmas, Halloween, and a new carnival.
*Multiplayer is easier, allows microphone and USB keyboard.
*Visit people's cities even when they're not playing, can mail/send items to friends directly through post office without visiting.
*New furntiure and wallpaper and other items will be added to the game through regular content updates using WiiConnect24.
*Take a bus, driven by Kapp'n, to the new city area with fashion boutique (owned by Gracie and employing a new Able Sister), auction house, salon, theater, Happy Room Academy, and more.
*Clothes can be precision-edited, meaning you can draw one pattern for the front, the back, and each sleeve instead of just applying one single design to the whole thing.
*Pointer controls are available, and vastly improved user interface includes features like a quick-switch for items without having to go into inventory.
*Animals are no longer stuck inside when you have friends visiting, they'll now wander outside freely.
*All four players can be in a house at once, and you can move furniture even when you have people visiting in your house. (not sure how I feel about this)
*New giant furniture pieces (e.g. a wrestling mat about 5x5 squares)
*Much higher texture res, faces are no longer blurry masses.
*Camera can be zoomed in and out even while outdoors, and you can switch between ACGC and WW camera styles.
*Camera and screenshot function, can share/send/mail photos and post them on the town bulletin boards.
*Varied topography, ACGC cliffs are back.
*Fish are in 3D.
*Improved animations, details, effects, etc. Less immediate but still noticeable visual changes. Characters animate more fluidly, ears bounce on villagers as they move, other small touches.
*Option to use Mii faces instead of standard villager faces for the player character.
*More furniture, items, villagers, conversations, etc., more of all the basics.
*ABILITY TO MOVE ITEMS AND CHARACTERS FROM DS TO WII.

So yeah. I'm pretty hyped.

[Zeypher]

Yeah, City Folk is looking pretty badass. PLUS it comes with Wii Speak, so I won'y have to buy it separately when The Conduit comes out :D

[Golden Legacy]

Great list WD.

And Zeyph, sorry, I'm going to have to clarify for you there. WiiSpeak is sold separately.

[Blue]

Golden Legacy, on Jul 16 2008, 10:15 PM, said:

And Zeyph, sorry, I'm going to have to clarify for you there. WiiSpeak is sold separately.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/bluethewarrior/Random/1159624955557.jpg
Anyways...
WiiSpeak? Shouldn't this have been, I dunno, out since the Wii had any online games?

[Caael]

I'm guessing WiiSpeak will only be compatible with newer games, not old ones like Brawl and MKWii

[Laharl]

yay, something else that should've been included with the console being sold seperately. Nintendo sure know how to screw over there fanbase

[Toasty]

It's almost as bad as Sony.

The only difference is that they're not outright saying "**** YOU!" to their fans. They're doing it behind fancy new gear that I'm going to waste mymoney on. :D

Nintendo: "You don't have to wear it on your head! Isn't that great?!"

Everyone non-fanboys: "NO."


Darn you nintendo. Should've relased a freaking headset....

[Caael]

To nintendo's credit, it's probably better that it's not a headset. I dont know about anybody else, but headsets are uncomfortale, awkward and very very easy to break.

[Legolastom]

The only thing I dont like about headsets are how hard it is to drink or eat with them. They at least give you some privacy to speak with someone.

Edit: whackING MILLIONS OF whackING TYPOS!!

[Zeypher]

If you prefer headsets I'm a 3rd party will make a headset from that technology, like the people who made the Perfect Shot.

[Golden Legacy]

Forgive me, I just can't give this up.


How it should have been:
http://i36.tinypic.com/aoxh8g.gif


What happened instead:
http://the-minusworld.com/2008/07/16/ninte...ic-is-revealed/

[Zeypher]

lol, that's hilarious.
Kid Icarus also should have been confirmed :D

[Someone Else]

So we're still going to have some stuff shown today, yeah?

Also, would you guys say that on the games side of things, Wii is doing worse than GameCube?

[Zeypher]

Somethings are better, somethings are worse.

I watched teh IGN video on The Conduit, and they showed how customizable the controls are, it's crazy. You can set anything the way you want it, including the dead zone and how fast you run.

[Someone Else]

http://www.gametrail...ayer/36819.html

Who the hell is this woman soccer mom anyway? She must be on anti-depressants, smiling that much.

Wait...

http://valleywag.com/tech/lazy-valleywag/i...endo-313085.php

[Zeypher]

She needs to die right nao.

[TheEnglishman]

Wind Dude, on Jul 17 2008, 07:40 PM, said:

http://www.gametrail...ayer/36819.html

Who the hell is this woman soccer mom anyway? She must be on anti-depressants, smiling that much.

Wait...

http://valleywag.com/tech/lazy-valleywag/i...endo-313085.php

Damn WD you got there first! Still she's a bit weird isn't she. And she seems to be a self confessed newbie.
She also seems to dodge a few questions, like the one about the hardcore fanbase and the harddrive issues. Even so I don't want to write her off straight away, it was clear that Nintendo were in the midst of a transition between the last bunch of big name titles and the next ones, and it's difficult to build up enthusiam with some of the titles on offer.

[Golden Legacy]

To be fair to her, she's exactly the mold Nintendo wants right now. Someone who can reach out to the new demographics that they're targeting, mothers and children, seniors and young females. She's the type of person that can reach out to them and the type of person they can find familiarity with.

[Someone Else]

Dammit though, it's gamers like us that got Nintendo here today. And then they go and display almost exclusively casual crap in a primarily HARDCORE convention.

What the hell. It's disgusting.

[Zeypher]

But...Pikmin 3 :D !!!

[Someone Else]

As far as we know, they've only decided on the name. =/

Miyamoto with 1UP said:

1UP: With your new focus on user-friendly controls and playability, will this approach play into, for example, future iterations of Mario and Zelda? Will this affect game design in any way?

SM: Frankly, some of the so-called "franchise games" are quite difficult for nongamers to play, so making accessible games for these players is key. With Zelda, we have to consider how to make it accessible for new gamers to pick up and play and enjoy just as hardcore gamers have. For example, we've got the Touch Generations series. Now, we're not necessarily going to make our "franchise" games in that style, but we'll take what we know and have learned -- the philosophy behind those games -- and incorporate it into franchise games. That's a philosophy that's very strong at Nintendo.

http://www.1up.com/d...ory?cId=3168837

GGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!

What makes Nintendo even think so-called "casual gamers" are even gamers or interested in games? Let alone their franchises? God damn you, Nintendo, god damn you.

[Aquamarine]

WD, I think you're taking this just a bit too seriously.

[Someone Else]

When I spent 250 dollars on a system that's meant for someone other than me, I think I have a right to be angry.

[Nosferatu]

I just watched a trailer for Sonic Unleased from E3 on the 360. The werewolf parts actually don't look that bad. Kinda looked like stylish fighting.

[Golden Legacy]

It reminds me vaguely of the battle system used in Kingdom Hearts.

WD, I think you should use the time to explore other offerings. Just because Nintendo, for now, has a gap of core titles while they're being developed doesn't mean there aren't any decent ones for Wii coming.

Check out Sonic Unleashed like Nos suggested, Mad World, The Conduit, Tales of Symphonia 2. And I know you're waiting for the new Animal Crossing.

[Zeypher]

The new Animal Crossing does look pretty "hardcore".

[Legolastom]

The only ones that actually stand out or have at least been proven to be good are TOS2, AC (They just need to change the name) and The Conduit (While it isnt amazing it looks preaty decent and the developers deserve the game to sell well).

[TheEnglishman]

Nosferatu, on Jul 17 2008, 10:42 PM, said:

I just watched a trailer for Sonic Unleased from E3 on the 360. The werewolf parts actually don't look that bad. Kinda looked like stylish fighting.

I wanna love the game, I really really do, but the series has burned me so many times before. Especially when it came to Shadow the Hedgehog (and yes Nos I do know that you like it so I won't incur your wrath).

[Zeypher]

Yeah, I agree with you that the new Animal Crossing has a bad name lol.
It should have been City Life or something like that, better than City Folk. Sounds like a game for old people.

[Zeypher]

Sorry for the double post, just had to post this quote from Shiggy.

Shigeru Miyamoto on e3 said:

I think that there’s probably one other element to it, and that’s that our view of how we use E3 has changed. For a very long time, E3 was an event where — and certainly Nintendo included — catered specifically to the core gamer. Now we look at more … an opportunity for us to introduce new concepts and new types of play that we intend to bring to the broader audience, particularly because of the media that gathers at E3 now.

So while attending an E3 event like this, they might be given the impression that Nintendo is no longer focusing on the games that appeal to the core gamer, in fact we’re still working on many of those titles, but it’s just not the type of event where we’ll be showcasing that anymore.

[Golden Legacy]

That's a good point to make. E3 doesn't have the grandeur and glamour it had before 2006. Back then, it was a wild fest with lights and huge displays and it was about generating as much hype as it was to dazzle and impress.

Ever since it was reduced drastically however (the "E3 Media & Business Summit"), it really hasn't had that same strength or merit for any developer.

That leaves the Tokyo Game Show and the new E for All as the annual game conventions that had the style and sensation of the old E3.

[Ironsight]

Golden Legacy, on Jul 17 2008, 09:43 PM, said:

That's a good point to make. E3 doesn't have the grandeur and glamour it had before 2006. Back then, it was a wild fest with lights and huge displays and it was about generating as much hype as it was to dazzle and impress.

I heard they also had dancing women there. Maybe I imagined it.

[Drizzy Drake]

They had chicks in bikini's beside some of the boothes in the older E3's.

[Toasty]

Ahh yes, those were the good ol' days. :D

Wind Dude, on Jul 17 2008, 11:40 AM, said:

http://www.gametrail...ayer/36819.html

Who the hell is this woman soccer mom anyway? She must be on anti-depressants, smiling that much.

Wait...

http://valleywag.com/tech/lazy-valleywag/i...endo-313085.php

She needs to whacking shut up. Periphreals DO NOT make the console. They're more like sugar-coatings. And Nintendo is doing a half assed job of catering to the hardcore fans. It's absolutely pathetic.

Her view is so heavily biased that it's not even funny. The reason why she thinks Nintendo is so great is because she only has enough skill to play casual games. The people who Nintendo should be catering to, the people who have been buying their products for years, don't care about a game being easy to pick up and play.

Nintendo's just been in it for the money lately, and it's sickening.

Wind Dude, on Jul 17 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

When I spent 250 dollars on a system that's meant for someone other than me, I think I have a right to be angry.

That's how I'm starting to feel too. Only I didn't pay for mine. I'm just starting to regret not asking for a 360 or something. I dunno.

I'm not getting rid of my Wii, but I'm certainly going to consider getting a 360 first chance I get. There's quite a few games for it that are either out or comming out that I'm interested in. Plus, FFXIII is now comming out for it, and I always wanted to try more of the FF franchise (I've only ever played FFIII, and it was the DS remak. I loved it though). Other than that, Borderlands is hopefully going to be awesome.

[Zeypher]

Wait for the TGS and E4A before you go sell your Wii...hell, wait till after you beat The Conduit :D

[Split Infinity]

You need a PS3 Toasty, otherwise you won't get the full FFXIII experience. :D

[Toasty]

Whoa. What the hell? Could've sworn I posted right after Zeypher.....

Anyway, Sony can suck my duck, and I'm not selling my Wii.

Once I get a job (and build up some cash to fall back on for maintaining/fueling my car) I'm going to buy a 360. FFXIII, MGS4, and maybe one or two other games were my only reasons for getting a PS3. I'll get a PS2 instead. But I'm till going to get a 360 as soon as I can.

[Split Infinity]

PS3 = PS2 + PS3 + Blu-ray

If you're cheap you can just buy the 20GB model and then swap in a bigger drive.

[Someone Else]

360 is THE console right now. GT isn't that great, Split...

[Split Infinity]

Do I have to make a list of exclusives again?

I'm telling you, everything the 360 does, the PS3 can and usually does do better.

[Someone Else]

*pats head* Okey dokey

[Split Infinity]

The only put-offs are the price and the inability to play Halo. Dx

[Toasty]

And Forza, and GoW, and any non-exclusives at higher framerates, and many others.

The PS3 makes games look prettier. The 360 makes games run smoother.

[Zeypher]

360 really isn't too good.

[Split Infinity]

Toasty, on Jul 19 2008, 09:55 AM, said:

And Forza, and GoW, and any non-exclusives at higher framerates, and many others.

The PS3 makes games look prettier. The 360 makes games run smoother.

You're certainly ignorant today.

[Toasty]

The 360 runs it's games at higher framrates. The PS3 runs them at lower framrates, with a bit more detail. That's exactly how it works.

I don't own a 360, so I can't name every exclusive off the top of my head. I believe Brderlands is, though, and it's probably going to sell really well.

And Zeph, the 360 is looking better than the Wii at the moment. The Wii's only got a few good titles ou, and only a few that are expected to come out soon.