[Eugine]

Well people so usually get desliked by the teachers.

[Izar]

mjc0961, on May 14 2004, 07:09 PM, said:

I was instructed to take this here.

Who's the uninteligent boob who made "swear words" or "cussing" as "bad words?" There is nothing wrong with them. They all have plenty of other words that mean the exact same thing. Should "poop" be a bad word? Should "butt" be a bad word? Should "female dog" be a bad phrase? I think not. Therefore, why should those specific words be "bad?"

WEll, here is why:

Cuss words were first used to dishonor, insult, or condem people. The reason cuss words are "bad words" is because the way the people use the phrases.

Well, for christians, God Comments on this as insults and hence sinful.

Back in the 15-19 century, the lower your "class" was, the more likely it was for a person to cuss.

To me it sounds not only ignorant but rude. And as a society we seem to be bathed in rudeness and stupidity. So while it sounds normal, the words/phrases that have a hint of the "F" word I find to be quite pointless and don't read regularly.

Habitual use of profanity makes a bad impression. It's undignified and is a sign of laziness and lack of self-control.
-Lynn s.

FOR CHRISTIANS:

Question: "Is it a sin to cuss / swear?"

Answer: It is definitely a sin to swear (curse, cuss, etc.). The Bible makes this abundantly clear. Ephesians 4:29 tells us, "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen." 1 Peter 3:10 declares, "For, Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech." James 3:9-12 summarizes the issue, "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water."

Why is it a sin to cuss / swear / curse? We should only allow good and positive things to come out of our mouths - things that will encourage other people (Ephesians 4:29). It is not right for praising and cursing to come out of the same mouth (James 3:9-12).

[mjc0961]

Okay. So the government, my school, my parents, and the moderators at this forum are forcing your religion on me? I have a HUGE problem with that.

Also, "screw you" is a phrase used to insult people, but yet it's not considered a "swear" or "cuss."

Seriously, I'm pretty pissed off right now. Just because some little book says that these words are "bad," now I'm not allowed to use them? Even though I don't believe in what said book says? You cannot even begin to imagine how much this pisses me off.

[MysticWarrior]

Hey, I said I was sorry and didn't know it was your belief! Do you want me to change it back personally or something?

[Izar]

Say what? Why do you have to go offensive. If you read the post, the BIBLE part is FOR CHRISTIANS. GEEZ!!! Read more...

Screw up is not consdered an insult here. "little book" is a diss on my religion. A BIG diss. I cannot say what the biggest this is because I do not wish to utter it at all.

[MysticWarrior]

Actually, Izar, I read almost all of it except for the huge block up there. If you phrased it like you did at the other parts, I would've read it...

Actually, why do you care so much, Izar? He swears, so you know (think) he's a lower class, so why do you care?

[Izar]

Why get into this again...

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Actually, Izar, I read almost all of it except for the huge block up there. If you phrased it like you did at the other parts, I would've read it...

What? I was talking about him not you.

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Actually, why do you care so much, Izar? He swears, so you know (think) he's a lower class, so why do you care?

I did not say he was in a lower class. I said from the 15th to 19th century they were condidered lower class.

Now, Why do I care so much? It's my religion! I have to care about what others do, because personally, I don't want people to go to hell. And also, christians are considered the lowest class in U.S. now that every one seems to say stuff like "that book" and "some GOD" and stuff. Before that, NO one was like that. Every one else just lived along side another religion, with some battles ect.

[mjc0961]

Izar, on May 15 2004, 06:03 PM, said:

Now, Why do I care so much? It's my religion! I have to care about what others do, because personally, I don't want people to go to hell. And also, christians are considered the lowest class in U.S. now that every one seems to say stuff like "that book" and "some GOD" and stuff. Before that, NO one was like that. Every one else just lived along side another religion, with some battles ect.

I'm sure that hearing those words is not going to send you to hell... Also, hell is also considered swearing, so could you please not be so hypocritical? If you don't like people swearing, I can understand that (now I can anyway), but don't turn around and do it yourself!

And I think that religion was much more important in olden days than it is today. Back then, they didn't know about things like evolution to explain how we came to be. So their belief that some dude sitting on a cloud created them would answer that question.

[Izar]

mjc0961, on May 15 2004, 02:31 PM, said:

I'm sure that hearing those words is not going to send you to hell... Also, hell is also considered swearing, so could you please not be so hypocritical? If you don't like people swearing, I can understand that (now I can anyway), but don't turn around and do it yourself!

And I think that religion was much more important in olden days than it is today. Back then, they didn't know about things like evolution to explain how we came to be. So their belief that some dude sitting on a cloud created them would answer that question.

I did not say hearing those words would send you to hell. But as my bible preaches, we are to avaoid being around those who do. Like avoiding drugs and getting drunk.

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I can understand that (now I can anyway), but don't turn around and do it yourself!

I never did!

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And I think that religion was much more important in olden days than it is today. Back then, they didn't know about things like evolution to explain how we came to be. So their belief that some dude sitting on a cloud created them would answer that question.

---READ THIS ALL mjc0961---

This should be in the religion topic, but what the heck.

Evolution is a THEORY, not fact. It cannot be explained. A "dude" sitting on a cloud? It is much more than that. How can I know there is a GOD? It's a reasonable assumption. If you want a definitive answer. Does any Christian bother to look in the dictionary to what truth actually means? There is no 100% anything. Only close to it. Then you cannot KNOW there is no God. Your strong atheism is illogical. If your knowledge means that there is no GOD, then that means there MIGHT be a God, because you don't know ALL the evidence. Therefore, you must logically be an athiest. Then it (your atheism) is not logical, but only assumptions you base your atheism/evolution and so on. Your atheism is untenable... It is not logical for you to claim strong atheism. You have not seen all the facts. Therefore, the possibility of God's existence is real. You can’t say that there is no GOD because you have not looked at all evidence in the world. That isn’t possible. Think about this. God choosing to not exercise His will in something is the same as you choosing not to exercise belief in a god. You could, you just don’t. Both are a lack of action. So, how can you complain against God for not moving according to your criteria, when you choose to not move at all in believe in Him?

Another Flaw - People who think all others are wrong all the time and give no evidence of why they are right.

[mjc0961]

Before you go trashing evolution by calling it a theory, remember that when something is a scientific theory, that means something totally different than a regular theory.

And I don't really get any of what you just said. But whatever. I don't believe in any religion, and if you're gonna try to keep pushing your beliefs on me, then there's gonna be a problem.

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I never did!

Yes you did. "Hell" is one of those "swear words" and by saying it after you told me not to swear, you are a hypocrite.

[Nick Presta]

I'm a Christian. Not like Izar at all. I guess you could say I don't really practice my faith.

Anyways, on the whole swearing thing, let whoever is swearing do what they wish. You have made it clear that you don't like swearing, that is fine. Out of politeness, please don't swear so much.

Second, I believe in the scienctific explanation of the universe creation than the Bible explanation.

By saying God created the universe and everything in it means that humans are alone (animals too if you want to get picky). There is no room for other life in the universe (God created Man in his image and placed them on earth, right?)

I don't hear anything about Aliens or other lifeforms on other planets created by God.

I don't want to accept that we are the only sentient beings in the whole universe, therefore I believe in the Big Bang Theory.


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Along with the above, I'm not really sure God exists. I haven't seen examples on earth to prove that he does.

War, death, illness, pain, suffering, etc. - Negative
Don't come back and say babies being born and love is a sign of God.
Babies are the result of human reproduction and happen no matter what (in all animals). Love can be contributed to chemical change within our bodies and/or the accustomization of another person.

How do we know that the Bible isn't just elaborate story? Like LOTR for example. It sounds crazy enough (A man that can heal anyone and encourages everyone to be good). Kind of sounds like a moral yet exciting story for the people of the time.

Izar, I'll let you have a rebuttal to everything I have said.

[Izar]

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Along with the above, I'm not really sure God exists. I haven't seen examples on earth to prove that he does.

Ummm, htat is the point of christianity. The point is to BELIVE. God took away the evidence so that the strong would prevail and pass it along.

Nick, how you are saying this is as if your a "Christian Science" member. Definitly not christian because they try to logically explain every thing. The reason there is no proff, is Because GOD wants those who believ, those who are true to his teachings. God said, let there be light, right?

Another thing. A christian is one that KNOWS that GOD is real.

[Nick Presta]

I don't doubt there is a God. I'm just having trouble believing SOME of the things the Bible has said.

I do belive that God has created an afterlife (Heaven), but the Creation of the Universe is a little sketchy.

And if God wants only the "strong" to pass it along and only the "strong" to believe, why does He bother to try and spread the word? Should God let those who believe, believe, and those who don't, don't?

[Izar]

A little stretchy? Creation? Believe the word of GOD. It says it plent of times in the bible.

No, i did not mean that he wants onlt the "Strong" to go to heaven. What I meant was.. It's hard to explain. He wants EVERYONE to get to heaven. It's just that, not every one is going to heaven. I can't explain it very well.

[MysticWarrior]

Evolution is a THEORY.

Whatever Izar is saying is a THEORY.

Okay?

[Golden Legacy]

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A little stretchy? Creation? Believe the word of GOD. It says it plent of times in the bible.

No, i did not mean that he wants onlt the "Strong" to go to heaven. What I meant was.. It's hard to explain. He wants EVERYONE to get to heaven. It's just that, not every one is going to heaven. I can't explain it very well. 

I'll attempt to explain it, Izar (though I probably can't do so very well... sorry in advance).
God is a merciful and forgiving being, if you truly believe. As Izar mentioned, he wants everyone to go to heaven. Yet this existance (call it the Purgatory, if you will) is merely a test to see who is devout. Should your faith and honor prevail, God will reward you with an Eternity in Heaven. Having an inhumane and unfaithful heart will lead to Hell...
Heaven is the final reward. Only those who pass this "test" justly deserve this...

[Izar]

Purgatory is not in the Bible, I won't call it that.

TEST! That's the exact word! Thanks

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Whatever Izar is saying is a THEORY.

Nope. Not a Theory, A religion based on scientic documented evidence. There is lots of it, but scientists today fear that it may get out. MW, you need to read a bit on christianity. For one thing, calling it a theory is very much an insult.

[MysticWarrior]

Well, calling mcj's evolution thing a theory is an insult, is it not? ;)

[Izar]

It is not an insult and should not be taken as one due to the fact that the belivers of evolution say that it is a theory.

[Water Assassin]

One word

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Many

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Cya

Water Assassin

(oh and Barney the dinosaur)

[Izar]

Barney is evil... A pure essence of darkness incarnated...

[mjc0961]

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Nope. Not a Theory, A religion based on scientic documented evidence.

I'm sorry, but that is the biggest piece of crap I've ever heard. There is no science behind the bible.

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It is not an insult and should not be taken as one due to the fact that the belivers of evolution say that it is a theory.

Again, learn your science before you go running your mouth. A scientific theory is something completely different than if I had a theory about who stole my cookie.

[Andross]

There is strong proof of evolution already, and enough in my opinion that it is not a theory.

Second of all, the areas of the Bible that Christians follow more strictly isn't the word of God. Do some research, and you'll find it was made by men. The only piece of the Bible that can be considered the word of God (for those who believe in God) is the Torah, because he wrote it and gave it to the people of Israel.

If I sound insulting, than sorry, but I do not remember one part of the new testament being written by God himself. While of course some parts in the new testament are logic, the "heaven and hell" is quite a cruel thing. It lacks the basis that God is forgiving, which is why I believe that if you do not do all of the mitzvah required of you, you are reincarnated. Until you complete your mitzvah, you will not go to heaven. There are also other parts, such as judgement day, that I do not agree with either merely because, again, it's cruel and unforgiving and makes everyone else sound as if they are wrong and stupid, when it is only text really and it is impossible to say if it will really happen, because, it was written by one of the gospels. Not God. I'm not even sure if Jesus even expressed views like heaven and hell, and Judgement day.

On the whole swearing thing, it doesn't matter if it deals with religon. It was not mostly a religous thing. It's just disrespectful, and the context it is used in, most of the time, is going to be a degrading statement. While casual swearing that is not meant to be offensive ('That was damn awesome' for example) I find okay, extreme overuse of curses is not right, and to cuss in front of a respectable figure is not a good thing to do either, because, as said, it is a degrading, disrespectful context that the word is usually used in.

It has nothing to do with religon, but merely respect, common sense, and decency.

[Izar]

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Second of all, the areas of the Bible that Christians follow more strictly isn't the word of God. Do some research, and you'll find it was made by men. The only piece of the Bible that can be considered the word of God (for those who believe in God) is the Torah, because he wrote it and gave it to the people of Israel.

Yes, the beginning of each book in the bible tells of this. Men Write it. It is the word of God because he gave them the word, and it is GOD's will.

Christianity, as TRUE athiests (mainly the evolutionist agnostic athiest scientists) still say today, they CANNOT prove GOD is not real.

Also, tell me this, Everything the bible says in prediction has come true. Gulf War, ect. So how can it not be true? It says that athiesm will rise, and so it is starting to. And it also says that the wars and battle of Israel will go on for ever until the end of days. It says also that great nations will, in time, go against Israel, and about 1/4 of the US thinks we should bomb them. Scientists, historians around the world cannot explain how the biblical proficies are comming true. Over and over they come true and NO one has an explanation exept christians, who know for a fact it's GOD.

Past the evidence for the Bible's correctness (manuscript evidence) and it's historicity (archeological evidence), the most important evidence is that of its inspiration. The fact of the Bible's inspiration is perhaps the most crucial to understand, because any book can claim truth, and simply because it is grammatically and historically correct does not mean it is true. I have many books that could pass the tests so far, but whether or not the Bible is actually ultimate in its truth does not hinge on these prior proofs, they were given to show that the Bible does in fact stand up to the tests of time... and that what we have today is the real thing.

So unlike the vague "prophecies" of Nostradamus in which we are forced to wait around until some event just happens to sound a little like what he said, we see in the Bible accurate times and exact names...no guesswork is involved. The Bible, therefore, is inspired by God...and is worthy of our respect.

Also, How could an old anciet writing tell of Jesus's birth and crucifiction hundreds of years BEFORE the birth of Christ?

[Nick Presta]

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Also, tell me this, Everything the bible says in prediction has come true. Gulf War, ect.

That happens all the time. Ever heard of your HOROSCOPE?
"Prepare for tomorrow for you will make new money". (Cancer, Thursday)
I found a quater in a vending machine coin return. It could mean you find a penny on the ground.

A good WRITER can make things seem like they were predicted when in fact they were only hinted at in general. And if in fact God knew about the Gulf War, etc, why didn't He stop them? I assume he did want to save those lives lost?

[Izar]

:angry: Horoscopes never work.

For one thing, horoscopes are MUCH differeren. This is ancient texts older than the countries that they speak of.

God does what he wants. He did not stop them because he wanted it to happen. it's his will. You call yourself a christian, but you doubt ALL the facts and statements of what makes Christianity what it is, Christianiy!

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Again, learn your science before you go running your mouth. A scientific theory is something completely different than if I had a theory about who stole my cookie.

I'm sorry, but that is the biggest piece of crap I've ever heard. There is no science behind the bible.

I know what a scientific theory is. I have been making strait A's on everything in scool, even Bib Bang theories and all that garbage.

What i meant was "HISTORIC." But know that you mention it, there is. I bet you have never read the bible before. It explains the ides of "logic" as humans precieve(sp?) it.

NOW PLEASE LET US GET BACK ON TOPIC!!! :angry:

Ok, another flaw would have to be spammers. They spam so much spam it makes me want to throw a container os spam at the moniter...

[Andross]

If you really think God actually spoke to these men, then go ahead and do so. But most of the writings are just types of adages and crap, only elaborating on what was set down in the Torah. As for heaven and hell, hell was clearly something original, and could've easily been made up. The same can be said for Judgement day.

I'm Jewish, btw.

In addition, prophecies for the part about Israel always being under attack is described in the Torah. As for the other stuff, give me the exact quote that says the Gulf War will happen, and I might consider it. As for atheism, it was probably written, because, well, it was already happening. Thus, it couldn't be a prediction. But go ahead and kill yourself to prove that there was no atheism back then, and I shall consider it.

Sorry, wanted to defend my point, and wanted to see if you could back up your info. I admit, some of these I don't have the info for, but I am mostly asking about where these quotes are, and I do know what much of the Torah speaks of.

[Izar]

Andross, on May 15 2004, 10:40 PM, said:

If you really think God actually spoke to these men, then go ahead and do so, but it still doesn't make sense. I'm Jewish, btw, which is why I believe it doesn't really work. In addition, prophecies for the part about Israel always being under attack is described in the Torah. As for the other stuff, give me the exact quote that says the Gulf War will happen, and I might consider it.

As for atheism, it was probably written, because, well, it was already happening. Thus, it couldn't be a prediction. But go ahead and kill yourself to prove that there was no atheism back then, and I shall consider it.

I know your Jewish. The Old testement is the same as most of the Torah.

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As for atheism, it was probably written, because, well, it was already happening. Thus, it couldn't be a prediction.

Many times in the bible, it says that "Those who do not believ" will go to hell. Irt is meant for ANYONE that does not believe God is True and real.

How can you be jewish if you belive in evolution???


God took away all the evidence, I say again, so that those with FAITH will prevail.

[Andross]

You're really taking the evolution thing too far. I said there was proof, but I never said that God didn't cause the gradual evolution of man coming unto Earth. If you look and research, you'll find MANY Biblical scholars will say that the seven days it took is more like seven blocks of time, thus, explaining evolution and why it takes so long.

See, I am faithful, 'k?

As for atheism, again, in the Torah, it doesn't mention hell, so really, I won't say that atheists are going to hell. Neither are all so-called atheists really such.

Many atheists are 'nones.' They don't believe in organized religon, but are just as spiritual as you, and faithful. Of course, there are complete atheists, but many nones get mistaken for atheists. Some just say they don't believe Christian ways, when they mean they don't believe in organized faith, and worship in their own ways. Completely fine if you ask me.

I also don't see problems with atheists. Some can't be helped because of the emotional scars the dark side of religon has caused them. Thus, they lose their faith because of the absolute cruelty of some religons.

[Izar]

And Like I said:

You should believe the bible (in your case, torah) OVER what all the evidence says in order to prove your faith.

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"heaven and hell" is quite a cruel thing. It lacks the basis that God is forgiving,

That was in the old testemant as well. God is forgiving, but what about those, why DENIED him FOR THEIR LIFE, do you think they should step into heaven? No, because they did not believe when h e told them to. Blasphemy-the inpardonable sin.

[Andross]

Didn't I just say that by explaining the 7 blocks? I hope you got that....

Hey, look, spam world flaw!
Yes, spam is an annoying world flaw. Thank god the gov't is passing laws against e-mail spam. Of course, message board spam shall be forever unstopable. There's always public humiliation still :angry:

[Nick Presta]

Why are you so quick to rule out any scienctific evidense?

I understand that you hold what the Bible says very highly and I am not trying to change your faith. I just have questions and you being a devoted Christian, I thought you could answer them.

Don't you think it could be possible that the earth was created by a huge explosion of a star and over billions of year the dust and other material collected and formed this planet?

Don't you think it possible that humans (or proto human if you will) crawled out of some promortial ooze and evolved it's way to us?

[Izar]

Andross, on May 15 2004, 10:51 PM, said:

Didn't I just say that by explaining the 7 blocks? I hope you got that....

Hey, look, spam world flaw!
Yes, spam is an annoying world flaw. Thank god the gov't is passing laws against e-mail spam. Of course, message board spam shall be forever unstopable. There's always public humiliation still :angry:

Yeah I got that. Just believe the bible (torah) and NOT the "oh one day was actully 1000 years during then" kinda deal.

Spammer = annoying people with no life, just to cut it short! :angry:

[Andross]

Izar, on May 16 2004, 04:57 AM, said:

Yeah I got that. Just believe the bible (torah) and NOT the "oh one day was actully 1000 years during then" kinda deal.

One day to us is different for things on larger scales. Study atomics or something. Everything acts completely different on such a small scale. So on larger scales, a star for example, a 100,000 years is like a day. So wouldn't you think, that for someone like God, that 1 million years would be a day for him? Just think about it, and there is lots of evidence in the Torah itself to suggest that it was more like a block system, not 24 hour period. This also backs up your point on faith, because it removes the evidence. Just like you said.

[Izar]

Remember, you said(or mjc)MAN wrote the bible, they did, but God gave those words to man in man's word.

[Andross]

I said man wrote the new testament. God WROTE the Torah, by HIS hand. God GAVE the Torah to the people Israel. It clearly says all over the place in a regular Shabbat service or High Holy Day service that God HIMSELF wrote the Torah and gave it to the land of Israel, just like he inscripted upon stone the Ten Commandments.

[Nick Presta]

BTW, here is a good site about evolution, the real deal about it, and how it came to be REALITY.

http://philosophy.yo...t/Evolution.txt

[MysticWarrior]

Ya know, this is a REALLY interesting arguement... If it was in the right topic... But I guess whatever Izar and Andross is argueing about is a world flaw...

[Izar]

nick1presta, on May 15 2004, 11:20 PM, said:

BTW, here is a good site about evolution, the real deal about it, and how it came to be REALITY.

http://philosophy.yo...t/Evolution.txt

You are no christian if you belive in evolution nick. That is one of the three main Christian debates. Also, thi bible says he m ad MAN. and man above the animals.

Also, if each day was more than a day back then, how mome adam lived for years over 900 yo be exact.

I read the site. Quite possible one of the largest pieces of garbage was in it.

[MysticWarrior]

See? You insult other beliefs, we can insult your beliefs. Now, I don't know which side I'm on, but I'm siding over the evolution thing...

[Izar]

He insulted mine first by saying it's a load of crap.

You really think we come from the anmials we control. That means life has no point. You really think we come from animals that eat their own lice? How pathetic...

If God is not real, it means we have no purpose, meaning I could go and kill every one and no matter what, it will not effect me cuz there is no heaven of hell. That is what you all say.

[Andross]

Now you're just refuting something that many Christians like you believe, but still believe in a God, because what DOES make that happen? Hm? C'mon, don't be so blind to the obvious fact that you could just realize God makes evolution as such happen, and that article in no way refutes such evidence. It merely states that it's there, not that God didn't play a part in it.

And once again, there's evidence in the Torah itself suggesting that it does not say 6 days, but 6 parts. Your intolerance for logical explanations to why God works with science is pissing me off right now. Even though I help you, you completely disregard what I said and how I'm wrong and that everything was created in two seconds and the flick of a wrist. But it's just plain not going to work, and how it is extremely easy to mistranslate the Torah scriptures. Hebrew/Armaic isn't straight to English easy.

For god sakes, there are some scientists who go out of their way to help further prove an existence of God by researching stuff like I've said. And you call them "un-religous" merely because they have the common sense to understand that not everything at the human level is the same at all levels?

[Nick Presta]

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You are no christian if you belive in evolution nick

Did I tell you what you were or were not? Did I try and change what you do or don't believe in?

I didn't think so. I would appreciate it if you stopped telling me how much of a "non-believer" I am and provide evidense as to God, or some form of a higher being.

Science already has proof. A stable piece of information as to how earth was created. It also has a theory as to how humans were created and evolved.

So far, all you have managed to tell me was that God created everything and anything that is different from that is garbage and wrong.

I never said the Bible was wrong, I was just questioning...what if.

Understand?

[Elliott]

I believe evolution is a load of garbage. It's just seems way to far fetched. I think that thebible explains everything nicely, and thats why I believe it. i don't mind if someone is an athiest, as long as they are not anti-christian, like some people at my school, hmph.

[mjc0961]

Agatio, on May 16 2004, 09:11 AM, said:

I believe evolution is a load of garbage. It's just seems way to far fetched. I think that thebible explains everything nicely, and thats why I believe it. i don't mind if someone is an athiest, as long as they are not anti-christian, like some people at my school, hmph.

WHAT?!!!!

You're telling me that evolution if garbage, even with all of the scientific expirements, facts, data, and everything else they have to back it up? And you're saying that the bible, with no actual way to prove what it is telling you, is a better source of information?

I'm sorry, but between a book that can prove itself to be nothing more than fiction and a bunch of proven scientific evidence, the science prevals.

[Elliott]

Thus is an argument that niether of us is going to win mjc, neither of us can shake each others beliefs. I just clearly stated my view on evolution. I don't want any arguments.

[Andross]

http://www.accuracyi...is.com/day.html

Just to shed some light on my view.

[mjc0961]

Agatio, on May 16 2004, 12:28 PM, said:

Thus is an argument that niether of us is going to win mjc, neither of us can shake each others beliefs. I just clearly stated my view on evolution. I don't want any arguments.

Good point. :rolleyes: Let's all jsut drop this now. There's no point. No one is going to convert anyone or anything.

[Andross]

Okay, now on to a new world flaw.

...

Can't think of one at the moment :rolleyes:

[mjc0961]

I've got one. (maybe you already discussed it, but I'm not going through 30 pages to check)

GEORGE DUBYA BUSH!!!

[Andross]

Okay, that's just going to create a flame war (and you know it).

Let's think of something else that we know everyone would unanimously agree on.

[MysticWarrior]

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I KNOW! How come people hate other religions? Wait... O.o Let's try something non-religious...

Hmm...

You know, I think we discussed all the world flaws, because I sure can't think of any.

[mjc0961]

How the hell is talking about Bush gonna make a flame war?

[Izar]

The truth nick, is that science lies. Look how many times they have changed facts. Before the big bang, there were SO MANY different theories of how life started. So many. They have changed facts and again, they are still doing so. It won't stop. A scientist came to our school and was talking about evolution and all that. I raised my hand and said one thing "GOD." Then we got into a huge argument on what's what. He then stopped and said something. "We cannot prove the Big Bang, we are not even close. The bible is closer to the truth because there is more evidence to support it but-" I cut him off and then I said "There you go. Now tell me why you believe in it" The bell rang and I just left.

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6 days, but 6 parts

The Old testements says days, so that is what I believe.

No one here has read the bible exept me, I can tell, because EVERYTHING everyone here says can be countered.

Again, there is no point in telling you GOD is real, In person, I know you would listen, because, as your science says, "people are more stubburn on the net" It's kinda true in my case.

Like whoever said it, lets get another flaw... Bush is no flaw. KERRY is a flaw. He wants to take all our weapons away along with nukes. Everyday we get threats and we need to take them seriously. Taking away our weapons would make us a country easy to take over. The U.S is the world's ONLY remaining superpower, and gets so many threats, it's unbelieveable. The US got a threat concerning 9/11 and the government did not take it seriously, until it happened. We had no security in airports, now we do, and now kerry wants to take it all away.

[Nick Presta]

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Before the big bang, there were SO MANY different theories of how life started

It's because our knowledge, technology and understanding has changed.

I'm sure in 17th century, everyone knew aout the Big Bang :P

[Andross]

Izar, read my friggin' link. Yom can mean ages, or millions of years. You're arrogance doesn't work all the time, and you still don't seem to like to use logic to explain your own beliefs. It's idiotic to deny something that helps you, so WHY are you doing it? Can't you even tell it supports your faithfulness thoughts?

Obviously, this is going nowhere. So stop trying to convince us, because I know I'm not going to change your mind. So stop preaching, and let it go. Believe what you believe, and believe it well. And that's a good thing to do. But don't insult others believes and become an arrogant jackass. That's not even what your religon, or what Jesus, taught.

Back to what's at hand, I think a world problem is unwillingness to be helpful. No one seems to care about anyone else really. No one wants to help out the AIDs problem in Africa (ESPECIALLY the gov'ts of the world; US may donate, but they cut back 3 billion dollars they promised). Although the US gov't does need to figure out their problems, and learn that the way to solve 'em all is to fund education 200 friggin' fold, they should show a bit more compassion with that.

Though they also need to be smarter. Quite frankly, they chose the wrong time period to go to war with Iraq. It could have been held off, or at least handled better (like NOT making public their announcement to the UN).

[Nick Presta]

Countries like the US spend billions of dollars on war instead of sending medicine and other care packages to third world countries. =(

[Andross]

I edited my post a bit...I got some things mixed around. But yeah, war is useless at many times. It may be a necessary evil, but at this point in time, not now.

[Elliott]

War is a touchy subject. A ttimes it can be very helpful (taking out hitler, war of independence). But at other times it's just pointless.

[Izar]

Andross, on May 16 2004, 04:26 PM, said:

Izar, read my friggin' link. Yom can mean ages, or millions of years. You're arrogance doesn't work all the time, and you still don't seem to like to use logic to explain your own beliefs. It's idiotic to deny something that helps you, so WHY are you doing it? Can't you even tell it supports your faithfulness thoughts?

Obviously, this is going nowhere. So stop trying to convince us, because I know I'm not going to change your mind. So stop preaching, and let it go. Believe what you believe, and believe it well. And that's a good thing to do. But don't insult others believes and become an arrogant jackass. That's not even what your religon, or what Jesus, taught.

Back to what's at hand, I think a world problem is unwillingness to be helpful. No one seems to care about anyone else really. No one wants to help out the AIDs problem in Africa (ESPECIALLY the gov'ts of the world; US may donate, but they cut back 3 billion dollars they promised). Although the US gov't does need to figure out their problems, and learn that the way to solve 'em all is to fund education 200 friggin' fold, they should show a bit more compassion with that.

Though they also need to be smarter. Quite frankly, they chose the wrong time period to go to war with Iraq. It could have been held off, or at least handled better (like NOT making public their announcement to the UN).

You don't need to get offensive, I skipped your link.

Every one else insulted my beliefs so YOU need to shut it. Like I said CHANGE THE FREAKING SUBJECT AND GET BACK ON TOPIC!!!

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I'm sure in 17th century, everyone knew aout the Big Bang

, actually, no. There was barely any athiests. If there were ones, they were mongol desendents

Yeah, War can be good or bad. Depends on what the wars started for. Hitler was a lunatic, and wars for independence are good. Our U.S. war of independence (1700's) was fought for a reason. The British rose our tases and stuff. It was kinda... I don't know...

[Elliott]

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Every one else insulted my beliefs so YOU need to shut it. Like I said CHANGE THE FREAKING SUBJECT AND GET BACK ON TOPIC!!!

Good call Izar, lets just leave the religious stuff out of it for a while ok.

[Andross]

You insulted ours too. It doesn't make you any better than us, and I'm not saying I'm any better than you. Listen, let's both just call ourselves idiots for fighting about beliefs that aren't going to be changed. I don't want a bad relationship, so let's just start it over, 'k Izar?

That brings up another flaw in the world: Forgiveness. Not many people forgive each other. And hate gets us nowhere. It only sends everything backwards.

[Izar]

Yes. I posted that quite a few times...

It was not ment as a flame, if anyone took it that way.

Now, another flaw... We descussed alot... ummmmm... anything else???

[Andross]

With 31 pages...I think most have probably been taken up :P

[Elliott]

19 for me, although I use 25 posts a page...
What about "Forum flamers", like DarkSun and such...

[Izar]

Dark sun is a world flaw. lol, he should change from being a spammer to a normal person...

[Elliott]

more of a flamer than a spammer though. I thought he was gone for good. Uh oh, I sense him coming... (he will come here I know)

[Andross]

Those don't affect the world. Just these boards ^_^

[Izar]

Lol, your right...

Flaw - Porn! Nasty crap! Should be illegal everywhere!

[Andross]

Unfortunately that can't happen, due to the first amendment, and separation of Chruch and State (which shouldn't be mixed in the first place), but they can certainly set limits. It's still pretty hard, seeing as 90% of the sites on the Internet are porn :/

It actually all comes back to education. If the gov't had HALF A MIND to realize that...^_^

[Neo]

Izar, on May 14 2004, 11:28 PM, said:

Yeah. Nazis are flaws. Lol, there is some one in my school who thinks Nazis were rightful christian people. Here are the facts:

-Most practiced satanic rituals
-most HATED americans. ALL hated jews, gypsies, christians
-most were not even german
-there are less nazis in germany than in the U.S.
-hitler was psycodic,clostrphobic,and was possibly a diabetic.
-the "Arian(sp?) Race" was actually an ancient asian culture. The nazis were led to believe the true arian race was from from atlantis. They were to be blonde-blue eyed. BUT hitler was not. Also, hitler was also part jewish, and so was rienhard snidrich or whatever his name was. Family tree analysis shows it.

Basically, I despise nazis. They are stupid and a bunch of idiotics freak shows.

it's some time ago this post was posted, but i just need to reply on it.

not ALL hated jews. some germans hated nobody and had a normal, peaceful life. but Hitler made them go in the army, every man and every boy had to join.
did you knew Hitlers was jews too?

i don't despise nazis, maybe just a few. i don't hate the men who were forced to join. and today, there are maybe just a few men who think Hitler made the right choise.

[Enoch]

There is so much porn that the internet will be a place that I don't want my kids to enter. Other things worry me about the internet like the kind of things that would be seen on Hannibal but that actualy happen.

[Elliott]

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some germans hated nobody and had a normal, peaceful life

There is a difference between Germans and Nazi's

[Izar]

Andross, on May 16 2004, 06:20 PM, said:

Unfortunately that can't happen, due to the first amendment, and separation of Chruch and State (which shouldn't be mixed in the first place), but they can certainly set limits. It's still pretty hard, seeing as 90% of the sites on the Internet are porn :/

It actually all comes back to education. If the gov't had HALF A MIND to realize that...<_<

Lol, where did chirch come in? I just said I hated Porn :P

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not ALL hated jews. some germans hated nobody and had a normal, peaceful life. but Hitler made them go in the army, every man and every boy had to join.
did you knew Hitlers was jews too?

true, but I would choose death rather than join an army under hitler. I have german blood, they were no nazis.

Yes there is a difference between nazi and german, but I think he knows agatio, he may have just been implying to the germans who had to join.

[Ivan1555]

Opps, sorry for not replying that fast...

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Exactly, shut down all the ciggarette companies and factories, that would solve the problem.

I had speeches on smoking and one person in my class researched smoking and presented to the whole school that smoking can be banned, but still it would stay in our world because some people are really crazy about cigerates and will do anything to bring tobbacco back to life. Shat's why the government doesn't bring tobbaco to an end...

Well, sorry about going off-topic but I wanted to give my point ok?

[MysticWarrior]

The forums are not the world, so darksun can't be a world flaw...

[Elliott]

I think we've all finished talking about DarkSun anyway Mystic. And the topic was internet flamers, not DarkSun.

[Enoch]

How about the internet and how easy it is to accidentaly stumble on to disgusting pictures from search engines. I dare you to look for dog food on google image search.

[Elliott]

Too true, I hardly every use Image search If I can avoid it, very sick stuff out there.

[Andross]

That's why there's a SafeFilter option, but I suppose you guys have never heard of it ;) :P

[Nick Presta]

Aye. I use the SafeFilter too.

I was trying to do a biography on Jesus and searched up "Jesus Christ" and got loads of porno.

[Golden Legacy]

Disgusting, but I'm not surprised... the majority of internet sites have Porn, and yeah...

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not ALL hated jews. some germans hated nobody and had a normal, peaceful life. but Hitler made them go in the army, every man and every boy had to join.
did you knew Hitlers was jews too?

i don't despise nazis, maybe just a few. i don't hate the men who were forced to join. and today, there are maybe just a few men who think Hitler made the right choise.

Well, I agree... and this relates with terrorism. The extremists or radicals are horrible people for their murders... yet we can't expect them to represent all the Islamic people or their religion even... just because they claim to be enforcing their faith does not mean that their people are like them...

[Eugine]

Lol did you know that Major Porn sites get 1 Million hits a day :)

[MysticWarrior]

Well, those people need to find better things to do in their free time.

[Elliott]

Yeah get a life you losers! go make a real site about fire emblem r golden sun or ffta...*trails off*

[Eugine]

Uh... Well teenagers usually watch porn. I have watch it once myself but that was long ago am all over it now ;) ... Anyways um... I usually just chat instead of going on those sites.

[MysticWarrior]

How old are you, Eugine?

Anyways, pr0n. I don't see how it attracts so many people.

[Elliott]

Well... Nah forget it. Let's change the subject shall we...

Reality TV. MAJOR world flaw, I was watching a bit of big brother, just a bunch of aussie yobo's stuck in a house for 3 months, BORING!

[MysticWarrior]

Well, some people (not me) like them, that's why they are on, so I don't think that's a world flaw...

[Elliott]

They are just so boring nowadays. All the same concept of people being put in situations. I like the simpsons parody of reality TV.

TOUCH THE STOVE!!!

[Eugine]

Am 14 Mystic, 15 Next year Feburary 3rd ;) ...

[Elliott]

I think your posting in the wrong topic eugine...

[MysticWarrior]

Actually, he said he used to look at pr0n, so I just asked him how old he was.

Reality T.V. is stupid. All of them, I know they have to have crew, camera, lights, etc.

[Elliott]

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Actually, he said he used to look at pr0n, so I just asked him how old he was.

Ah thanks for clearing that up for me Mystic.
They make them reality so they don't have to pay script writers and actors etc.

[Izar]

How bout dirty resturants? Now THAT's a world flaw. Nasty. I saw a McDonalds once with flies in the McFlurry m&m's thing. they opened it up, shooed the flies away and got the m&ms out. Cochino...

[Andross]

Uck, yeah, I hate that. I went into this Jack in the Box once while I was on the road, and it was in the middle of nowhere. Just a small town area. There were flies all over by the soda fountain. Thank God I only wanted a drink :s

[Enoch]

Wasn't there smoething in the MCDonalds burgers like mealworm or something like that. I forget.

[Elliott]

I know that they use pig fat to make their ice cream cones and concentrated syrup to make there ****e etc. Unlike KFC, we server drinks in bottles and cans, none of this cup garbage...

[Izar]

Fountian drinks are really good, ONLY if the place is REALLY clean. I like KFC! Go Kentucky (Bride's state! In the bis USA!)

Well, another flaw, dirty restrooms in isolated stores... I was in Kansas, and there was this store in the middle of nowhere that had one person working there. The nearest town was about an hour away. The restroom was... nasty... An Texaco restrooms... the worst...

[Issac_Zero2]

Bathrooms are dirty everywhere...Only in malls I find it clean...
Resturant bathrooms are horrible...its wet and smelly sometimes...That's why I never sit near the bathroom...
Water fountains sometimes are good...and sometimes are bad...The only one I think is good is my school's water fountain...hehe... :mellow:

[Eugine]

Did anyone see the enimen video were the woman spit in the sandwich that was so nasty. Something my friends always say "What you can't see, can't hurt the heart"

[Blade Lord Lyn]

What song was that for? There are a lot of Eminem videos.

[Nick Presta]

Real Slim Shady.

When she's working in the Fast Food Restaurant. Eminem is driving around a rooftop making circles.

[Elliott]

Eminem is a world flaw, actually, Rap is a world flaw (Retards Atemmpting Poetry).

[Enoch]

Hey, Ilike songs that are appealing to the ear, and some rap is capable of doing that. Usher's RnB as well as his rap songs are all good. Eminem is sucky though.

[SacaenSoul]

Hm. I'd say Eminem's videos are mostly all... quite... unique, to not say something else.

World's Flaws... hm... I can't say much about rap, because actually I don't hear it much. ( :lol: ) LoL, maybe because I don't live in the US. ^_^

[Elliott]

Well, in the outcast song (i love the way you move or something like that) I don't particularly mind the rap there. But I stick by it just being people talking to a beat (emphasis on talking).

[theblueflames]

I'd say a great problem is gas problems. If President Bush would just make Hydrogen cars more available, the richer people would buy them and they would get cheaper. And, the only *waste* would be water(Gas).

[Izar]

Yeah. Our society riegns on Fossil fuels. Soon, we will be depleted.

[Andross]

100 years, we'll be goners if we don't find something.

Problem with hydrogen is you need to usually extract it from something. That usually requires some sort of electrical machinery. Electricity is mostly powered by our power plants that use fossil fuels.

Wind power is hard to harness, and solar power is really expensive. Geothermal energy is also hard to come by, because you need a good spot to be able to harness it.

If Bush wasn't being such a jackass about funding electric cars and whatnot though, then we could figure out how to bring 'em all together <_<

And there's always trying something new, as in, harnessing the power of the ocean.

[Izar]

Well, I don't consider Bush bad. He has been doing a good job. His main problem is about problems in the U.S. But that guy Kerry does not want space exploration, wants to cut off NASA's funding, cut our military in half, disarm our nuclear weapons, and then work on U.S. problems.

Yeah, we need to do something about Fossil Fuels...

[Nick Presta]

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Eminem is a world flaw, actually, Rap is a world flaw (Retards Atemmpting Poetry).

I find that very ignorant.
You have no idea of how popular and effective rap and hip hop is. Ask almost anyone and you will find out that they like or have listened to atleast ONE rap song. Can you say the say about Rock? Or Pop, or Country?

I thought not.

[theblueflames]

Yeah, if Kerry gets elected he'll pull everyone out of Iraq, then it'll be total hell over there.

[Blade Lord Lyn]

Rap isn't a world flaw.... where I come from, it was really important, it was a way we all connected.

[Andross]

Izar, on May 25 2004, 11:46 PM, said:

Well, I don't consider Bush bad. He has been doing a good job. His main problem is about problems in the U.S. But that guy Kerry does not want space exploration, wants to cut off NASA's funding, cut our military in half, disarm our nuclear weapons, and then work on U.S. problems.

That's a bit exaggerated, but the reason is because we NEED to focus on the problems in the U.S. By wasting billions of dollars on war and space exploration, you deplete funds needed to help schools, clean up cities, crack down on crime, provide and help make jobs, etc. etc.

He isn't proposing to cut all of it away. But he wants to cut enough so that there's more money to go to what REALLY matters: Education and our country.

But I'd agree with disarming nukes. It could only make trouble come along in the worst of ways (world destruction). It's not as if we need nukes to blow nukes up that are coming at us. All it takes is a rocket with a block of wood.

That reminds me of the 'Wizard of Id' comic today:
Fortune Teller: In the future, I see a world with no war
King: That's great!
Forutne Teller: Hmm, though there's seems to be nobody around.

blueflames: Actually read up on Kerry before making an ignorant comment like that. He was in Vietnam, and knows how to handle war, 'k? PLUS, troops are being removed WAY BEFORE ELECTIONS.

[theblueflames]

Andross, on May 25 2004, 09:09 PM, said:

blueflames: Actually read up on Kerry before making an ignorant comment like that. He was in Vietnam, and knows how to handle war, 'k? PLUS, troops are being removed WAY BEFORE ELECTIONS.

Yah sorry 'bout that, just heard what he was doing in lite so....

[Andross]

You can't believe everything you hear. Sorry for being harsh, but ignorance is a pet peeve of mine.

[theblueflames]

Yeah I see what you mean, so. I just never looked to far into it.

[Izar]

nick1presta, on May 25 2004, 05:57 PM, said:

I find that very ignorant.
You have no idea of how popular and effective rap and hip hop is. Ask almost anyone and you will find out that they like or have listened to atleast ONE rap song. Can you say the say about Rock? Or Pop, or Country?

I thought not.

I can. Most people in my school listen to rock. Most people at my school hate rap.

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PLUS, troops are being removed WAY BEFORE ELECTIONS.

That is true. Bush is doing so.

Andross, we HAVE a good educational system. We (U.S.A.) are within the top 5 countries in education, so why still work on it?

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That's a bit exaggerated, but the reason is because we NEED to focus on the problems in the U.S. By wasting billions of dollars on war and space exploration, you deplete funds needed to help schools, clean up cities, crack down on crime, provide and help make jobs, etc. etc.

Lol, this is making me laugh. We actually spend more oney on our own country than on space exploration, did you know that? (saw it on the history channel)

If we focus more on our own problems, then we will be lible to be attacked again, you know, like 9/11. Bush was concentrating on the U.S. so much that, we took away our national security and looked more towards education. Still, John Kerry is a flaw.

it just seems to me that Bush forms alot more opinions than Kerry does. Do *** marriages or abortion come to mind?

Kerry ranted about how Bush is using the troops for political purposes. He says that Bush is cutting their pay, their benefits and if HE were President, he would fix all that. I guess Kerry has had met some private drunk about how the troops are being taken care of because nothing he said is even vaguely true. In fact, I got a friend who's dad is being payed MORE for staying that area.

-He compared Iraq to Vietnam. You know that war where he said he threw his medals away in protest. Well, not really. He threw someone else's. His are in a case on the wall behind his desk (found on a site). It was the war that he used to put himself in the public light so he could get elected. He claims Bush is using the war for political reasons(what is HE doing right now?). Kerry said we need to send more troops. We need to crawl to the U.N. because WE just can't handle the situation. That's what got us into trouble in Viet Nam! NOT LISTENING TO THE MILITARY MEN! Instead, LBJ and his democrat congress tried to run the war and you see how it ended up, a pull over. The General in command in Iraq has said repeatedly that he DOES NOT NEED more troops.

Here is what I found of his military history, He has told reporters(can't find the word, reviewers?) that this is true, but he has changed. So here:

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Here is a sample of his record:  Kerry was lieutenant governor under Dukakis, one of the worst Governors in history.  He was thrashed when he ran for President.  Kerry was all for the passes for murderers and rapists which, once enacted, resulted in the rapes and murders of innocent people.  He wants taxpayers to pay for all abortions on demand, including the partial birth murders.

      Kerry Has Voted Against A Balanced Budget Amendment At Least Five Times.

      Kerry Voted Against President Bush's Tax Cuts, At Least The Tenth Key Anti-Tax Relief Vote Of His Senate Career.

     Kerry Voted For The Biggest Tax Increase In American History Under President Clinton.

     Kerry Has Voted For At Least Seven Major Reductions In Defense And Military Spending Necessary For Our National Security.

     In 1996, Introduced Bill To Slash Defense Department Funding By $6.5 Billion.

     In 1995, Voted To Freeze Defense Spending For 7 Years, Slashing Over $34 Billion From Defense.

     Fiscal 1996 Budget Resolution – Defense Freeze. “Harkin, D-Iowa, amendment to freeze defense spending for the next seven years and transfer the $34.8 billion in savings to education and job training.”  

      In 1993, Introduced Plan To Cut Numerous Defense Programs, Including:

      Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews

      Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one

      Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force

      Terminate the Navy’s coastal mine-hunting ship program

      Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces in one year.

      Has Voted Repeatedly To Cut Defense Spending, Including:

      In 1993, Voted Against Increased Defense Spending For Military Pay Raise. Kerry voted  to kill an increase in military pay over five years.

      In 1992, Voted To Cut $6 Billion From Defense.

      In 1991, Voted To Slash Over $3 Billion From Defense, Shift Money To Social Programs.

      In 1991, Voted To Cut Defense Spending By 2%.

      Has Voted Repeatedly To Cut Or Eliminate Funding For B-2 Stealth Bomber. Has Voted Repeatedly Against Missile Defense.  Weapons Kerry Sought To Phase Out Were Vital In Iraq. “[K]erry supported cancellation of a host of weapons systems that have become the basis of US military might -- the high-tech munitions and delivery systems on display to the world as they leveled the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein in a matter of weeks.” (Brian C. Mooney, “Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One,” The Boston Globe, 6/19/03)

      Military hardware he felt we no longer need since the "cold war" is past.  The money would be better spent on "social" programs.  These weapons are now the core of our military might.

      F-16 Fighting Falcons.

      B-1Bs B-2As F-15 And F-16s.

      M1 Abrams.

      Patriot Missile.

      AH-64 Apache Helicopter

      Tomahawk Cruise Missile.

      Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser

ANOTHER LONG POST!

[Issac_Zero2]

I think U.S's schools are good...
Sure, they arent strict, Sure, they don't have the best system...but kids learn and that's what truly matters...
Like in China, or Japan, schools are very strict...or even in Russia...
Bush isn't all bad nor is Kerry...It matters who's values you respect...
Both had good points and bad points...

[Golden Legacy]

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I think U.S's schools are good...
Sure, they arent strict, Sure, they don't have the best system...but kids learn and that's what truly matters...
Like in China, or Japan, schools are very strict...or even in Russia...

I agree with some of the points...
Foreign schools are strict, and have higher (MUCH higher standards). In Japan, most young teens in the eighth or ninth grades learn Pre-Calculus, and they have half days on Saturdays...

In the U.S., the system isn't as strict... there is some liberty...

I feel that regardless of a system, anybody who's willing can learn...

[Elliott]

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You have no idea of how popular and effective rap and hip hop is. Ask almost anyone and you will find out that they like or have listened to atleast ONE rap song. Can you say the say about Rock? Or Pop, or Country?

Very, very wrong. Who hasn't heard stuff from the beatles, or nirvana, or nickelback, or even blink 182? All rock bands. You were very wrong in saying that. Everyone has heard some country aswell (unforunately). An pop, OMG!!! Who hasn't heard pop! Britney spears ring a bell!?

[MysticWarrior]

I disagree with the "schools teach us what we need to know" thing. Once, in math class, I asked the teacher how this helps in real life. She told me to get back to work.

[Golden Legacy]

lol

It really depends on what you want to be. Math may seem like a useless subject, but if you wish to be an engineer, architect, technician, etc. then it is essential. Same with the Sciences...

And besides, one might argue that all this technology is available only through education. Careers as well.

By the way, I'm not saying that school is the greatest place on Earth or anything: I'm just saying that, while we may not like it, it does help us... in some ways...

[Issac_Zero2]

Well...That might be different where you live and who your teacher is...Some teachers are different then others...
My teacher gives little homework, is nice, and is very informative...
Math is used in everyday life...but I'm pretty sure you know that...

[Nick Presta]

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I can. Most people in my school listen to rock. Most people at my school hate rap.

How odd. I don't hate rock or anything, but most people (the select few, "rockers/etc" will like rock) will feel some sort of connection to Hip Hop. Maybe yuo aren't hearing the right type of songs.

[MysticWarrior]

No, the things I'm learning has nothing to do with real life. I thought of every possibility, my teacher has thought of every possibility, and so far I think the thing I'm learning is useless.

[Andross]

There's a lot of problems with our education system. Many inner city schools are plain...bad. And they aren't being funded. As well, the programs aren't really great. The only way you'll get a good education is if you have a teacher who talks to her kids, rather than just keeps handing out busy work.

I also find it ironic that when Kerry supported some cuts on those Defense department slashes, that he did so at around the time the Defense department had many of its employees spending tax money on, oh say, a girlfriend's bigger bumps, if you know what I mean.

In addition, many of those proposed tax raises and military funding were supported by Democrats and Republicans alike (**** Cheyney anyone?). And how do you think Bush was so concerned with our country that that's why 9/11 happened? He was on vacation 50% of the time!

Anyway, I disagree on some things that Kerry may have supported, but a few cutbacks in some areas would help. And trust me, our schools aren't perfect. They may be good, but I think there's a long way to go.

[Eugine]

My school got it BAD.... The Principal is mean.. Am telling you mean. Once he made the whole school (830 Boys) sing the school song over and over for 40 Mins and the teachers were looking for people who stopped to consult with em.


The above story was one of the bad things he did to us.

He is a MAJOR FLAW in the students eyes not that he is a real one.

[Issac_Zero2]

Our school's funding is ok and its mostly in the city...
The good thing about it is that the teachers conncet with the kids...
Our principal is mean...our old one last year was cool...
The kids aren't bad and don't cause mischief...
When they do, its usually pretty stupid like a kid tried to trp the other kid...
School is good for me and its good becuase it teaches aspects of life instead of you learning it by yourself...
Besides...other kids don't even got schools...like Alaska...they have to get homeschooled...
I think school is a nice place to learn with people like yourself...so basically I'd rather go to school than be home-schooled

[MysticWarrior]

I'd rather be home-schooled. At least your mom interacts with you, and you don't have to wake up at a ridiculiously early time.

[Nick Presta]

I go to Mary Ward C.S.S.

It has a similar program to University. Quiet good.

Anyways, I wouldn't like to be home-schooled. I have to LIVE with my parents, VACTION with my parents, etc. I need my time at school with my friends.

[theblueflames]

Yeah, I see what you mean. Our principle is ok, kinda not nice. We have good enough funding, and our teachers....well my S.S. teacher interacted :)

[Elliott]

All my teachers are nice. It's probably because I'm from a christian school. They all seem genuinly interested in you, except 1 who is an tool and one who I don't know (havn't got any classes with here).

[Sol.Warrior]

My collecge is a catholic college and it's really nice there. But there's a big split in the students. One half listen to rock, the other half rap and rnb. I'm in the rock part by the way.

[Golden Legacy]

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Anyways, I wouldn't like to be home-schooled. I have to LIVE with my parents, VACTION with my parents, etc. I need my time at school with my friends.

Interestingly enough, there is a compromise that is available...
You go to school (the usual). However, certain courses may be taken as "Individual Study"; in other words, you are able to take specific courses at home if you wish.

[theblueflames]

It's....sort of like that. The rap group is bigger, but I like Rock. Most of the rappers seem to get in alot of trouble though.

[Izar]

Our school has about 3 billion+ dollars, but they NEVER use it! THEY STOCK UP! It's so annoying. They only spend it one food and varsity jackets! WHAT A FLAW!

WE got an evil substitute. He MAKES you listen to him. If you look at your desk or breathe loud, he'll write you up (give a referal). ANOTHER FLAW!!!

[theblueflames]

I hate our Math teacher. She's too old, and evil... I know of these evil substitutes. It's kinda funny though. Whenever he says shutup and listen he starts rambling along about his wartimes and his budda buddy.(No pun intended.)

[Izar]

Substitutes are so evil. Such a flaw that... it's evil...

What is evil, is when you have to do work EVERY day with at least NO free time. My spanish class is like that.

[theblueflames]

I ain't gonna take Spanish. Taking German here.

[Izar]

Lol. We only have one forgiegn language course here. We had french too, but, no more.

[SacaenSoul]

German?! O__o I admire you...

My native language is Spanish actually. Never had problems learning English, as you might have not noticed... French could be easy for me because I've already got roots in Spanish/English (both related languages, as well as French)

[theblueflames]

Yeah, I know nothing about either German or Spanish(Our two Foreign Language courses), but I would love to learn Japanese.

[SacaenSoul]

Be warned though : Japanese is VERY hard to learn. Plus the accents. I know a bit, bit... but it really takes a lot of will to learn Japanese.

[theblueflames]

I know, but it's not a class so. I'd love to learn it but I know it's problably never gonna happen.

[Izar]

All I know is English & Spanish (english being native)

Yo tango un gato en mi pantalones.

Not really though...

But, Back to world Flaws:

Hate Crimes, people who commit them are dumb. Racism is old, bring in the new.

[Issac_Zero2]

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Substitutes are so evil. Such a flaw that... it's evil...

Wow...You guys got it bad...All teachers are awsome!

Sorry for quoting such an old reply...

Ok...back on track...

Yes racism is old...Hate crimes are horrible...I would never kill someone if they were the most annoying, stupidest, weirdest person in the world...Going to jail isn't worth it for ridding the world of someone you hate...

[Golden Legacy]

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All I know is English & Spanish (english being native)

Yo tengo un gato en mi pantalones.

lol, Izar, you have a cat in your pants ^_^

anyway, racism is terrible...

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Yes racism is old...Hate crimes are horrible...I would never kill someone if they were the most annoying, stupidest, weirdest person in the world...Going to jail isn't worth it for ridding the world of someone you hate...

It is inhumane, yes...

[Elliott]

too true. It's like KKK, they are evil, just because you don't like a person or race dosn't mean you can just go around killing them.

[Golden Legacy]

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too true. It's like KKK, they are evil, just because you don't like a person or race dosn't mean you can just go around killing them.

Very true, Agatio.
Now, the question is why one would have a hatred toward a particular race in the first place.

[Neo]

maybe because stories tell things about them. friends made up things about them that aren't true... you fear them because they look wild, and brutal. those things may be reasons for hating other races.

[Izar]

Some rednecks at my school hate darker skined people because they are darker, and they think if the world was all one race , it would be peaceful. But they call themselves baptist, sorry for the religious term here, you don't need to reply to it. And what busts their bubble, is that in luke, a black man carried the cross for Jesus (Again, no need to reply)

Also, Racism is old, they just need to let it go.

[Elliott]

Yeah, it's pointless prejudice. They do need to let it go and "forget their differences", sure they're different, but does that mean you have to torture and kill them?

[Water Assassin]

Wow, this is a very solemn topic.

At school I am learning French. I apologise in advance (I love quoting Alex) for those who can read the following sentence....

-_- Tu est tres moche ^_^

I also dislike racism.

[Elliott]

Yeah I think we all do, it's time for a CHANGE OF SUBJECT!!!111oneone...

Poverty (if it hasn't already been mentioned) major world flaw!

[Issac_Zero2]

After millions and millions of pages...someone finally mentions it again...yay...
Yeah...it has been said before but nobody even cared...
Anyways...Poverty is horrible that's why I never ever want to spend money unless for food...
Its horible how people have to suffer everyday of thier lives just becuase they don't have enough money...
And those poor small towns that are on the brink of destruction becuase everyone is so small... :D

[Golden Legacy]

Yes, it is a good thing somebody finally came to his or her senses (thank you Agatio)...

I agree, Isaac Zero 2... and what's even more awful about it is that... well, I can't really explain it... but all that money is being wastes for entertainment and such...

few, very few people seem to bother with those in need. I always make sure that I make regular donations to charity... I feel I am obliged to...

[Nick Presta]

^ me too. I try to donate atleast $50 a month to a different charity.

[stfuweirdos]

dude, riad, guess who?!?!
anyways, about this sh*t, *** people are like straight people, they just dress better and like men. (it is not anyone elses decision to choose who you get to like and not to, people are different and you cannot force them to conform) and Bill Gates is just giving people cash because he wants to further exploit his outlook as a modern-age philanthropist. you guys really got to open your mind, because these problems could be solved in less than a minute if people wouldnt be so damn conservative and disagree (ex. is this conversation) So, you guys gotta agree to disagree, or sparks will fly

[Elliott]

Gee your an angry one arn't you stfuwierdos! Calm down and post nicely like the rest of us, or you'll get a bad reputation.

I don't donate much, at all. But I don't think poverty is right, unless they brought it on themselves. I mean, look how much money goes through the U.K, America, Japan and Australia. It's quite a contrast to russisa, africa etc.

[Neo]

donate?... only for animals and poor children. about poverty, those people should be punished... very hard.

another flaw! VIRUSSES!!! those people who make them must have 50 years jail! they screwed my computer 2 last month! i hate them! (luckily i saw one of them was caught a few days ago)

[el_Sethro]

stfuweirdos, on May 31 2004, 04:58 AM, said:

dude, riad, guess who?!?!
anyways, about this sh*t, *** people are like straight people, they just dress better and like men. (it is not anyone elses decision to choose who you get to like and not to, people are different and you cannot force them to conform) and Bill Gates is just giving people cash because he wants to further exploit his outlook as a modern-age philanthropist. you guys really got to open your mind, because these problems could be solved in less than a minute if people wouldnt be so damn conservative and disagree (ex. is this conversation) So, you guys gotta agree to disagree, or sparks will fly

I agree, but I wouldn't have worded it so crudely......

but yes, I try to remain open-minded, and I wish other people would more

EDIT: oh, wicked! I'm a Gallant now!

[Golden Legacy]

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dude, riad, guess who?!?!
anyways, about this sh*t, *** people are like straight people, they just dress better and like men. (it is not anyone elses decision to choose who you get to like and not to, people are different and you cannot force them to conform) and Bill Gates is just giving people cash because he wants to further exploit his outlook as a modern-age philanthropist. you guys really got to open your mind, because these problems could be solved in less than a minute if people wouldnt be so damn conservative and disagree (ex. is this conversation) So, you guys gotta agree to disagree, or sparks will fly

Me? I think I'm the only one who's name is Riad around here...

Yes, there is a lot of discriminance against people, based on different characteristics...

I agree with everything you said...

B)

John :lol:

[Izar]

I still do not like homosexuals. I mean, for one thing, what else is the opposite sex for?

[Nick Presta]

^ I don't like them either, but they have every right anyone else has. They are regular people, they just prepfer to get freaky with the same sex.

They can't be blamed for that.

[Golden Legacy]

I agree as well... they're still human beings. It's really just another form of discrimination...

[Izar]

Yes, I agree they are still human beings and should not be descriminated, but still, it's just... nasty in my opinion. I just don't like the fact that some one of one sex does not like the other sex, i mean, what are they here for? What are we here for for them.

[Nick Presta]

Izar, I do share your opinion that is it "nasty" but not everyone follows the Bible as closely as you.

Some believe that Man isn't here for Women and vice versa.

[stfuweirdos]

hmmm, you guys gotta understand that death is a part of life. you guys gotta start looking at our ecosystem, or the modern human. We eliminated our natural enemies, now what? kill everything else like a virus and thus kill ourselves. Thus, we need some driving threat: ourselves. War, Murdur, other stuff like that are all necessities and we need them. i fyou cant deal with it, suck it up, cuz thats life. I am pro-choice, so all you fetal rights people can just do w/e. Who are you to tell a woman what she can do with her body and her child? most likely, an unwanted child becomes the victim of abuse and wishes they were never born. A mom who would've aborted their child wouldnt treat them like the worlds best thing. a good example is Saddam Hussein, his mother tried to abort him, now look. a crappy childhood=crappy adulthood. Poverty is a flaw, but what are you gonna do? give charity, keep the drug dealers, non-productive members of society alive longer to suck over 80 billion dollars of tax money that hard working people must pay (in amerika). Face it, poor people are usually poor as a result of lack of competence, crime, mental disorders,etc. those who do not contribute to society should not recieve its blessings. Also, the jerks who are racist are shallow freaks who dont understand jack squat. also, noone should force one against their own will too, i am not trying to coerce anyone, just voicing my opinion, thus the athiesm thing, who gives? i mean, believe whatever you want, just dont bother anyone on the road down. oh yeah! i am a flamer!!!! yeah, this is what people called reformers and movers of society. they lashed out against them because of their controversial opinions, they refusal to conform and their opposing views. I proudly join the ranks of people like Copurnicus, Kepler, Galileo, etc.

[Nick Presta]

I read your above post and I really don't see how that fits in with gays, but ok. And when you say "we" would change the world if we could, but we(GSSers) can't. I understand you use the term "we" loosely, but it isn't WE that are causing these problems, it's society and the world.

Secondly, paragraphs are your friend.

[MysticWarrior]

Feh, I hate *** people. It creeps me out.

[Neo]

B) you hate them, because it's freaky? it would be better to say; i don't like be around them, they freak me out. you think ***'s are freaky, maybe they think hetero is freaky. you can't judge things you don't know.

[Elliott]

They are freaks. Thats what I think. Say what you will.

[theblueflames]

I just get scared and start running like a scared cat or something....they scare me....*shiver* *twitch*....*Falls on floor*. Yeah, I gotta agree with MW there.

[Sol.Warrior]

I can't believe how homophobic and ignorant you guys are. To me, being with a *** guy is the same as being with a straight girl. They could both like you either way, it's just that as soon as you know somebody's *** you start getting creeped out. I'm not having a go at you, just voicing my opinion.

[Elliott]

Well (sorry for religious reference). God made MAN and WOMAN. To be with each other and be fruitful and multiply. Same sex relationships cannot multiply. If the entire world was same sex, then we would die out,very quickly. It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. *** couples are very wrong. I guess "hate the sin, love the sinner" applies here but I just think are freaky, wrong and need to have it beaten out of them. But thats just my opinion. If you don't agree, I don't care.

[Izar]

Well, look at this thing this way, stfuwierdos. Killing a baby deprives a child who, even if they reject life during life its self, the right its self. Confusing, yes.

Adam and eve, not adam and steve... one of the funniest things ever. I agree with you agatio!

Well, I'm not a homophobic person. Homophobic is the fear of some one who likes the same sex.

Suicide is a big problem. It shows how weak your self control is... Reminds me of the lyrics to one song by a band called Superchick...

little mikey d was the one in class
who every day got totally harassed
this went on for years until he decided
that ever again would he shed another tear
so he walked out the door
grabbed a 4.4 out of his father's dresser drawer
and said i can't take life no more
and like that a life is lost
but this ain't even about that
all of us just sat back
and watched it happen
thinking it's not my responsibility
to solve a problem that isn't about me
this is our problem
this is just one of the daily scenarios
in which we chose to cause a riot
instead of doing the right thing
if we make a choice
be the voice
to those who won't speak up for themselves
how many lives would be saved
changed, rearranged
now it's out job
to take a shot
now don't keep walking by
now why didn't you try
cause you don't wanna exist
and never be seen
so let's wake up
change the world
our time is now

Suicide comes from people making fun of others. For Christians and Jews, it comes also for the rejection of the help God can give you. God's help saved my cousin's life. (sorry for this bit of reference)

[Issac_Zero2]

First of all homosexual people look like normal people and they have every right to do everything we do and they should have respect like we do...
*** people aren't stupid or retarded and they could also be sucessful...
It seems wrong but its their life and if it means disobeying their religion then so let them be it...
Commiting suicide is one of the most coardice things anybody can do...
If their life is horrible then people should face reality and do something about it instead of destroying their lives to gain attention or to end your suffering...

[Izar]

"Hate the sin, love the sinner"

As I was saying, Suicide shows lack of self control and lack of, what's the word? Persevirence (sp?) no... I don't know how to put it, but it shows that you are so weak you can't deal with your own problems like every one else.

[Nick Presta]

It's sad when people commit suicide. Most of the time, it would've taken a nice friend or even a stranger to talk to, to set them straight again.

[Colonel Tycho]

Ya, but if they are that depressed, then they are better off gone, in my opinion. Same with people that get really sick or are shot.
"We saved your life, but you are blind and have to stay in a wheelchair and someone has to help you go to the bathroom for the rest of your ENTIRE LIFE"
Now who would want that? Better off being dead.

[Nick Presta]

It sometimes looks that way, but you can always find hope and happiness in life.

[stfuweirdos]

first of all, adam and Steve????? where on earth did you get that steve from, when has steve been a biblical name. and i think that all those darn (i wont say damn) (too late) preachers who seem to be conducting their own church in here, should go to hell. I can believe in whatever crap i want to. you cant change that by justifying ALL your opinions with God instead of pulling out actual facts. also, anyone can do whatever they want unless its detrimental to other citzens not unborn fetal matter.

[stfuweirdos]

btw, WE MADE GOD. the bible was WRITTEN by a HUMAN. scientifically speaking, GOD CANNOT EXIST. why do people believe in hell anway. the catholic church MADE IT UP during the middle ages. so, i am so sick of "god this" and "god that". if you want to preach, go to church. dont do it in a GSS site

[stfuweirdos]

also, if *** people creep you out, you creep *** people out

[stfuweirdos]

hahahahahahahaha, i have been warned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Izar]

THAT IS A DISGRACE TO CHRISTIANITY! BAN HIM FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!!!

Catholic church did not make it up, nor did protestants. Leave this forum you idiot your gatting on my freaking nerves! Just leave! What is your problem!? You said preachers who say this will go to hell, and then you said there is no hell. Quit contradicting yourself. stfuwierdos, christianity is too complicated for you to understand. If you ca see clearly, then you would know that hell has been in almost every religion. Also, the catholics were not the first to speak of this either. Your just one of those loosers who think they are better! AND DON'T DOUBLE POST!!!

Sorry for blowing off stem there everybody, but this guy is a complete looser and should be immediatly banned... Some one should end this guy's place here. Ban his IP or something!

It's not just this post, but every post this idiot makes.

Now, back on subject:

Another flaw is people who are always lazy. It bugs me alot cuz they sit around complaining and won't do anything about it.

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

I'm, like, scared mommieh ... hold me closer ... closer ... cloooooser ...

WHEN IN HEAVEN'S NAME IS THIS KID GOING TO GET BANNED!? :( :agitated:

Anyway, the only thing that's a flaw in the world is dumb people ... but, yeah, we're all not perfect. I grant you that. I mean, I'm not perfect.

[Izar]

Yeah.

We all actually have flaws, and are kinda flaws. We are not perfect, and being imperfect makes us a flaw in some peoples eyes. So what are wE?

[Nick Presta]

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btw, WE MADE GOD. the bible was WRITTEN by a HUMAN. scientifically speaking, GOD CANNOT EXIST. why do people believe in hell anway. the catholic church MADE IT UP during the middle ages. so, i am so sick of "god this" and "god that". if you want to preach, go to church. dont do it in a GSS site

Quite hypocritical, wouldn't you say. You claim you don't want people to try and change your beliefs, yet you are doing just the same.

And BTW, the 4 posts in a row = you're screwed.

kkthxbai

[Izar]

Yes...

I found another flaw. Wife/Child beaters. Those people make me sick. 1/4 girls and 1/6 boys are abused sexually or physically by a parent. It's a very disturbing thought that 9/10 of those never tell.

[Nick Presta]

What constitutes as beating?

A simple slap is fine, sometimes good, when the child does something wrong.

It instils fear into the child and makes them remember the severe consequences and makes them not do it again.

[Izar]

Simple slaps are good, infact, it's important to growth. It's true desipline.

I mean beating. Like, bruises, throwing around, hitting.

[Elliott]

3 words.
Ban. His. Ass. (sorry for profanity.)
We all have our own beliefs and it is not anybodies place to judge and insult them. Stfuwierdo's, here's my message to you:
Get a life, you don't even like Golden Sun. Piss off and ruin someone elses forum, everyone is sick of you so why pursue this any further.

And on the point of humans writing the bible, it was spoken to them by God (sorry for the religious reference).

stfuwierdo's, your a tool...

[Zaffa Dot Xom]

Geez, maybe stfuweirdos is just another racist. He probably has problems in life, too, yet he comes here to blame it all on us. We're part of society. He's just a pet peeve for wanting Armageddon to actually break this crumbling world ...

... Heck, that's just his disbelief that the world is more sane than him. He probably sees things we don't, and basically it's probably just his imagination. He must be on drugs for some capital reason. Feh. I say we allow him to rott.

[Izar]

Well, I agree with you agatio. THis guy needs a life. I bet he's a litttle 7 year old who everytime he types a cuss word, he looks around everywhere making sure his parents aren't looking...

Ok, well, enough said. Word Flaws... Ok... there have to be some more... Oh! Movies with nudity! What's up with that. Who cares what you do in secret on a movie, which, apperntly every one seems to care. I don't wanna see a couple doing you know what in a bedroom while robbers come into their house and steal knives or whatnot.

[Max]

stfuweirdo, that was your last straw. Goodbye, have a nice life on other forums.

[Izar]

Thank you Max.

Ok, about that one flaw, Movies with Nudity, well, it ruined The Matrix Reloaded. it was ok, until that one scene...

[Elliott]

I agree, apart from that scen, it was an awesome movie. Some movies just put in that unneccesary stuff.