[Golden Legacy]

And that scene was seriously unnecessary and out of place... it could have easily been removed without the plot being altered in the slightest...

Nudity and Implied Material is a flaw... especially in shows targeted to the young generation.

[Nick Presta]

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And that scene was seriously unnecessary and out of place... it could have easily been removed without the plot being altered in the slightest...

That is true, but sex sells. Don't you think that if one girl saw it and told her friends that she saw Keanu Reeves bare butt, that at least ONE friend would go see it BECAUSE OF THAT?

Sex sells and as pathetic as it might be, producers use that to their advantage.

[Elliott]

Too true, but it's a stupid way to sell, I'd prefer to see more GOSH DARN FIGHT SCENES!!!!!!1

[Enoch]

Enoch dug this subject from the grAVE

I think that the fight scenes sre what attract most guys to the movies. I'm sure that this is already known but I see my freinds and I going to go see some of the most violent movies and the truth is that I enjoy them. :idea:

[Golden Legacy]

...
I think a Lack of Honesty and Trust is a flaw...

[Izar]

yeah. I trust some, Like GL here and Agatio. But people I've met in life, well, I trust GOD and i trust Jesus and all, well, srry for the religous reference. But anyways, I also trust my brother.

[MysticWarrior]

You don't need to be sorry just because you mention religion, ya know. If you say "Science is pointless," then that's not allowed. But otherwise, religion talk is fine. Same goes for the other side.

Trust? I don't trust anybody, because nobody is trustful. I only trust trustful people.

[Golden Legacy]

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Trust? I don't trust anybody, because nobody is trustful. I only trust trustful people.

Yes, MW, that really rolls of the tongue :unsure:

What I meant was people who are not willing to trust in the first place... I... all throughout my life, I have trusted people. Some have been kind, others have taken advantage...

But that doesn't mean all people are bad. I still lend my items, help others, donate... I mean...

[theblueflames]

I live out in the country so I don't have to worry about trusting people :) Too far away from all that.

[Elliott]

Trust eh? I trus most people from this forum because I see no evidence why not to. As for real life I guess I am a little too trusting at first towards people, which leaves me open to be betrayed, but then If I do get betrayed, I will fight back.

[Izar]

Lol, I can sence If I can trust some one. Lol, Kinda strange.

[TheOnlyJaz]

I suppose there's different levels of trust. I trust my closest friends the most, and even some of them are untrustworthy. When I first meet people I know whether i'm going to get on with them or not. I think I get on with and can trust everybody I know from forums.

[Elliott]

Except for people like darksun, stfuwierdo's and platinum sun, I would not trust those users.

[theblueflames]

I read a few of Darksun's posts, and I can see what you guys mean. Even if he was here....I wouldn't trust him.

[Enoch]

I think that trust is something that should be well observed. If I don't trust someone, then I will still most likely hang-out with them but I wouldn't be to relient or giving with them.

I feel that people that are untrustworthy should actualy be kept closer then trustworthy people. Just so I can keep my eye on them, in case they try something sneeky.

[Issac_Zero2]

I totally agree...
People can be so sneeky...Anybody can do somebody and you wouldn't notice...
That includes, talking behind someones back, sticking a whoopey cusion before they sit and so on...
And when you think they did it they don't admit to it...total dishonesty...

[Izar]

Yeah. It's rude when people talk about yo behind yuor back... grrr. Happens to me all the time.

[Enoch]

When people talk about you behind your back, it annoys me. That's why I just nod my head or brush it off. The people who talk about you behind your back are the kinds who only want attention themselves, and if they wanna spazz, then what do I care.

[Issac_Zero2]

When people talk behind my back I just ignore it also...
Talking behind other people's backs is cowardly because they are too afraid to say it in your face...so I really don't care if people talk behind my backs, I know the people that do that are cowards...

[Nemphtis]

People that try to make you conform to their ideas, a big flaw...

[Enoch]

Dousn't everything in the world technially do that.

The government makes you conform to their ideas,
as well as religion.

[Nemphtis]

Exactly, you have now officially discovered two things I hate, Government, and deffinately religion.

[Andross]

I do hope you aren't a supporter of anarchy. Without our gov't, you'd probably be dead. You don't have to agree with everything, but some fundamentals shouldn't be thrown aside.

[Enoch]

Not just gov't and religion but others as well.

Anything with rules and guidlines makes you conform to some set of standard ideas. Wether it be school or even the internet. The olden days and the future. You can never escape it.

[Andross]

You can't deny that rules are good though. Like, if your mom didn't say that rule about "no running around with scissors," and you'd done it, you could trip and *squelch*

Or if there wasn't a law against murder, someone could just kill another person because they pissed 'em off, and no one would bother. He could be one of those sick serial killers, and he couldn't be stopped.

[Nemphtis]

Andross, on Jun 21 2004, 06:45 PM, said:

I do hope you aren't a supporter of anarchy. Without our gov't, you'd probably be dead. You don't have to agree with everything, but some fundamentals shouldn't be thrown aside.

Some parts of the law are good, but we can never know how much of the law is right and wrong...Conspiracy is everywhere... *Looks shifty*

>.>

<.<

>.>

<.<

[Izar]

Anubis, on Jun 21 2004, 12:37 PM, said:

People that try to make you conform to their ideas, a big flaw...

Well, then That means Religion, Games, Government, Street signs, dictionaries, encyclodedias, and athiesm. You say conforming ideas is a flaw, then Athiesm is a flaw(which I do believe), because athiest try to bring others to be athiests, like at my school. Everyting is conforming.

[Nemphtis]

Actually, things such as games don't always conform, they state an opinion, opinion is good, forcing someone to follow your opinion when they have a different opinion, is just b*tchin.

[Enoch]

You know, using the one asteric in a swear is just as bad as writting it out anyways. So you might as well just do it if you feal that it's truly nessescary. (wich it is not)

Anyways, what you are doing right now is trying to make others conform to your ideas. That's all it is, realy.

[Nemphtis]

No, I'm debating with others so they can understand my point of view, they don't have to follow it. And soooo sorry if my one " * " offended you. B)

[Enoch]

The astrerick dousn't bother me. It's the letters on both sides that truly offends me. Swearing in general offends me.

[Nemphtis]

Ah, "Words of Mass Destruction", some are offended by swearing, some have been raised in palces where swearing is nearly natural.

[Enoch]

well I had no idea that that is the way you were raised, but would it be hard to show some common courtesy for the sake of those who are around you, Please? :smile:

(Edit: no offense intended)

[Izar]

Same. Now Back on topic.

Another Flaw: Stupid shows. Stupid things like what shows here in the U.S., the Disney Channel. Crappy Zenon or whatever it's called. Stupid dumb kids shows are not worth the ten bucks used to make them. :P

[MysticWarrior]

Well, kids seem to enjoy them.

[Issac_Zero2]

I think we need kids shows...Sure, some are weird or different than what we watch but that doesn't make it a flaw...
I think kids need to keep these shows to keep their creative minds going...
When you are young you watch shows to keep you entertained...
Now imagine taking those shows away...Kids would be crying...sad...and they can't escape from reality if that had happened...

[Andross]

I have to agree. As stupid as they may seem, turn around and look at all the other shows. Now think about it. You want them being exposed to all this violence and sexuality?

[Izar]

MysticWarrior, on Jun 22 2004, 06:35 PM, said:

Well, kids seem to enjoy them.

I SAID THIS TYPE OF KID SHOWS andross, not shows with sex or death or evil carnage and bloodshed... :P

Not this type of Kid show. Blah! If you got Direct TV, then, go to the disney channel. The worst channel. Lol, they have the worst movies, not even my little nieces and nephews like them...

As much as I hate "the rugrats" and that little bald kid on that other show, they are good for kids, but not the disney channel.

[Issac_Zero2]

Izar, on Jun 23 2004, 05:00 AM, said:

I SAID THIS TYPE OF KID SHOWS andross, not shows with sex or death or evil carnage and bloodshed... :P

Not this type of Kid show. Blah! If you got Direct TV, then, go to the disney channel. The worst channel. Lol, they have the worst movies, not even my little nieces and nephews like them...

As much as I hate "the rugrats" and that little bald kid on that other show, they are good for kids, but not the disney channel.

Umm...Izar? *pokes Izar* Andross meant that if there were no kid shows they would watch adult shows since there is nothing else to watch...
Just thought I should get it straight...

[Izar]

I was was refering to to the TYPE of kid shows. I was saying is there was other stuff...

Although the Abortion topic is over, here's an input I thought of: How can it control overpopulation when diseases kill millions and drugs kill about the same, when there is only a recorded 1000 abortions and only about 30 unrecorded abortions?

[Issac_Zero2]

Only one thousand? I thought there was more...
Even though millions people are dieing in a year, alot more take thier place...so if it seems like the world is dieing out its not...its actually overpopulated...
Please correct me if I am saying nothing related to Izar's question because I kind of got confused...hehe... -_-

[Andross]

The world isn't overpopulated YET, but it is growing, not shrinking or evening out due to other types of death. And since science is getting close to cures for cancers and other diseases, expect the number of deaths to decrease and births increase.

[Enoch]

The older kids shows were better. Like loony Tunes. Mighty Mouse. I enjoy watching some of my parent's favorite child shows. I also like Tom And Jerry.

[MysticWarrior]

...That's.... and older kid cartoon....?

[Andross]

I think he meant older, as in ones shown 20 to 50 years ago.

[Golden Legacy]

Yes, nothing beats the classics
Bugs Bunny fooling Daffy... Elmer Fudd and his wacky motives... Slvyster and Daffy's spit *goggly eyes*

Nowadays, so much obscene content is either directly placed or hinted at in children's shows. It's really sad, especially since it's all for money over quality.

[Izar]

Yup. Sad thing is: The kids like it. They like the new stuff out, which promotes stuff. I will never let my kids watch them. Stick to Daffy!

[Nemphtis]

Another world flaw I think is, people relying so much on electricity, and then becoming lazy.

[Julian]

Anubis, on Jun 27 2004, 04:04 AM, said:

Another world flaw I think is, people relying so much on electricity, and then becoming lazy.

not at all, it's technology thats doing all our dirty work...

dishwashers
cars
etc..

electricity just runs these things and gives us light.

[Nemphtis]

Yes, I meant technology, *Slaps Himself* :unsure:

[MysticWarrior]

-.- Not completely. There's still things we have to do ourselves.

[Golden Legacy]

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-.- Not completely. There's still things we have to do ourselves.

Perhaps, but at the rate we're going (and considering how things already are), technology will nearly define our lives.

[Izar]

Laziness. Yeah, I saw stuff a tractor supply co. and it looks like even the farmers are getting lazy!

[Golden Legacy]

lol

Laziness and Procrastination... it's safe to say I've mastered them without doing much work :o

The Ten Rules of Procrastionation

1.)

[Izar]

Um, where are they? I can't see them...

[Golden Legacy]

Blargh, my desperate attempts at a joke have failed...
You know, procrastination... you put off work? so, I was putting off the rules...

Remind me never to become a clown. Or an attorney.

[MysticWarrior]

I understood them the first time I glanced at them. :lol:

Well, I won't let technology completely control my life. I try to do things on my own. When I can do things without technology, I do it.

[Julian]

Amish (spelling?) ... they don't use too much technology... or none at all, i guess we can say they aren't lazy. They were born into the world without using technology.
We, on the other hand... need technology, without it, i doubt we can survive that long.

[Golden Legacy]

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We, on the other hand... need technology, without it, i doubt we can survive that long.

The truth is, we can survive. But we'd have taken things for granted (at an unbelievable scale)...

I agree with MW. I try to do certain things without turning to technology.

All that is needed is a will and dedication...
The world would be so much better.

[Izar]

Golden Legacy, on Jun 27 2004, 02:35 PM, said:

Blargh, my desperate attempts at a joke have failed...
You know, procrastination... you put off work? so, I was putting off the rules...

Remind me never to become a clown. Or an attorney.

I knew it was a joke. I was replying as a joke -_- . Note the ... I put at the end...

[Julian]

Golden Legacy, on Jun 27 2004, 08:28 PM, said:

The truth is, we can survive. But we'd have taken things for granted (at an unbelievable scale)...

some of us can but some probably wont, the ones who lack COMMON SENSE.
do you think, (if technology was gone suddently) that we would all eat raw meat? or no meat at all?

[Golden Legacy]

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Blargh, my desperate attempts at a joke have failed...
You know, procrastination... you put off work? so, I was putting off the rules...

Remind me never to become a clown. Or an attorney. 

I knew it was a joke. I was replying as a joke . Note the ... I put at the end...

sorry Izar... I guess I take things too seriously at times..

And Julian, you are correct... many people would be too dependent on technology to have right judgement. But they got themselves in it in the first place, without trying.

Technology takes away effort. Without effort comes no inspiration, no achievements... Technology will eventually be the bane to our existance...

[Izar]

But without Technology, we would not have some stuff today. Ever seen an Amish Computer?

[Andross]

Golden Legacy, on Jun 29 2004, 01:17 AM, said:

Technology takes away effort. Without effort comes no inspiration, no achievements... Technology will eventually be the bane to our existance...

*points* http://www.depthcore.com

I dare you to keep talking. In a...er...friendly way. Yeah.... < _< > _>

[Nemphtis]

I guess people who join the Army would have no problem, especially for a SAS sniper, they techncially have to live like a hobo on missions, digging small holes and sleeping in them, eating mixed with water, etc. etc. I mean I know that I have SERIOUS problems when my power gets cut off, imagine it getting permanatly cut off. :P I'd have a heart attack and die...

[MysticWarrior]

Woah, really? I don't have SERIOUS problems. I don't even have problems.

[Nemphtis]

LOL I totally freak out when the power cuts off, not like, an obsessed military maniac though, "Holy crap! Enemy attack! they've cut off the lights and are busting in with Night-Vision!" although my dad's very likely to do that, being a paranoid guy, I'm more like "Oh crap! The Consoles! My save files?! Are they safe?! Noooo!"

[Nick Presta]

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I'm more like "Oh crap! The Consoles! My save files?! Are they safe?! Noooo!

As am I.

I worry more about stupid things like video consoles and such rather than wondering if people are all right. Although, video games are more important :unsure:

[MysticWarrior]

Shame on you, nick. People are much more fun to play with than video games.

[Nemphtis]

Nick...I can see it now... :unsure:

Frontpage news..."Boy choose's Xbox over Girlfriend" :lol:

[Nick Presta]

Bahh, in some cases. Friends are more fun, undoubtedly, but as for family (two younger sisters), I'll take my XBOX or GBA any day.

[Izar]

Well, I would take almost anything instead of my little sister as well. She gets everything.

[Dullahan]

This is too pecimistic to get involved with, put simply there are more things wrong with the world than there are right

[Elliott]

Nicely put dullahan!
Problems? I have some, but I'm not gonna divulge them to you dudes.
As for technology, it is the way of the future obviously. There's seriously no stopping it now. As for technology taking over or being the death of us, there is always the possibility of that happening.

[Dullahan]

i had a paricularly annoying power cut once, i'd just killed twenty tonberrys on FF8 and was midway through fighting the Tonberry King and i'd hadn't saven't it once and there was a power cut and i was really really angry. i now save regularly.

[Gattaca]

that's not as bad as starting a D2 char... almost getting to killing andy... and then the powa going off,,,.... when u haven't saved... grrrr...... but n e ways... perhaps A.I. will be the death of us..... because in all probability it will be better than us... and will c wat a mess we have created and say that for the better of life, we would have to be destroyed. also i think that we have become to dependant of technology.... if an EMP were to drop on... i dunno... a city... and lets say that it feild held for 10 days..... the whole city would be in mayhem.... everyone would be so confuzed.... it's like the power outage that happened in ontario a while back... that was just nasty!

[Eugine]

Whether long range weapon or suicide bomber
Wicked mind is a weapon of mass destruction
Whether you're a stowaway son or BBC 1
Misinformation is a weapon of mass destruction
You could a Caucasian or a poor Asian
Racism is a weapon of mass destruction
Whether inflation or globalisation
Fear is a weapon of mass destruction

That's from the song "Mass Destruction" all of the aboves are flaws... I guess

[Golden Legacy]

yay, this topic has been revived *starts dancing

Ahh, anyway, that's a nice song Eugine. I agree that all are flaws with the exception of fear. Well, you need to have fear. It's like... er...

Yes, you need to have courage. But fear allows us to instinctively... make decisions... and...

bah, I can't explain it... sorry...

[Izar]

I fear only One. God. Nothing else.

Anyways, Another flaw, to me, is destruction of the rain forests... Or was that already talked about? Bah, it's been too long...

Another flaw is murder. In Texas, it's commonplace, so is crime, robery, drugs. In my town, I am one of the few who don't do any of that.

[MysticWarrior]

Izar, on Jul 29 2004, 01:34 PM, said:

I fear only One. God. Nothing else.

Stop lying, lol. Everyone has phobias. ^_^

[Izar]

Quit saying i'm lying, and not everyone has phobias, I ca list alot. I do not fear anything MW. For one thing you don't know me at al.

Autistic people fear nothing... but i'm not autistic, If i was... I could be posting here...

[MysticWarrior]

Do you not like something in which someone asks you something in which you say "no?"

Oh yeah, have you had a bad day?

[Izar]

I don't care. Phobia's are extreme fears. My fear of GOD is not a bad fear, it's fearing that he can do something to me that can help or punish, a good fear.

No, actually my da has been going alright, exept for the fact that my niece hit me in the eye with a stringy...thing...

[MysticWarrior]

Sure, okay. *nods*

Aaaanyways, back on topic. Erm... The belief of something that is widely known without proof we can see every day is a world flaw!

That or everything else we discussed here...

[Izar]

My religion has proof we can see everyday.

Lets see, we can't see that we evoled, so I guess you think that's a flaw... I do.

[MysticWarrior]

Actually, there are skeletons and fossils and other scientific junk I won't understand until I'm an old fart.

[Izar]

that's what i mean. there is more scientific proof to conclude that the bible is truth. Ruins, Towns, historical documents, while evolution only has skeletons and fossils and other scientific stuff. anyways, the bible can be seen everyday, can all those fossils and bones be seen everyday? nope, locked away d00ds.

[MysticWarrior]

When I say proof, I mean more solid proof, not just a Bible created by God, but there's no signature or a "by GOD" sign on it, I mean, if there was a God up there, why can't he come down in all of his blazing glory for all of us to believe he exists?

[Izar]

No, it was written by men on the word of GOD and by his command, and when i mean solid proof, i mean what I said:

Ruins, Towns, historical documents, hisorically prooven to exist.

"Why can't he come down in all of his blazing glory for all of us to believe he exists? "

Because, The adulturous ask for a sign, like you just did. And because the weak ask for a sign, like you did, and because he will come on his own time. to GOD, our lives are so small, less than a blink of the eye.

[MysticWarrior]

Heh, I'm not weak, I'm neutral, I both believe and don't believe in God, therefore resulting in not caring at all. And I asked out of curiosity, not because to see if God exists. ;-)

Does that mean it takes up to 200 years for God to blink?!

[Izar]

No, Time...is like Nothing, to put it that way. And I mean weak as in weak in FAITH, not phisical.

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I'm neutral, I both believe and don't believe in God, therefore resulting in not caring at all.

There in no in between. God or No God.

[Andross]

Physics is the study of the workings and nature of the universe. The universe is the machinations of God. Therefore, physics is the study of the work of God. Creationism attempts to prove that data obtained through the scientific method is incorrect. This, in turn, must mean that the scientific method is incorrect. Physics studies the universe with the scientific method. Therefore, Creationism denies the work of God.
-A friend of an online friend of mine

Thus, evolution is a more plausible thought then that we were zapped here onto Earth. And there's evidence in the Bible that supports evolution.

[MysticWarrior]

Izar, on Jul 29 2004, 02:34 PM, said:

There in no in between. God or No God.

Wow, I am a living oxymoron!!!

Anywho... both Izar, can you show me proof (besides the Bible, since there's no signature of God on there or anything, therefore it's not actually proof to me) that God exists?

[Neon]

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There in no in between. God or No God.

I hate that! Do you not understand that people can believe in the evolution way, but still not entirely doubt the existeance of god? :)

That is one thing I hate about the church. They're meant to represent God, but the do the opposite. If God was to prove his existence to me tomorrow, I still wouldn't even consider going to church :). Much of what the church does/has done is completely against what I think God would want his representitives to do...

[Eugine]

Well, the Catholic Church has been having some weird things going around, if you ever played FFX-2/X its like New Yevon/Yevon with all those secrets, while the Pentecostals and 7th days are cool!

Politics is a world flaw BTW.

[Lightning Star]

I think the world's biggest flaw is stupidity.

[Neon]

Existence is the worlds one major flaw...

[Dullahan]

I'm a self-declared aethist (sp?) and proud of it, no god or religion for me!

[Andross]

Uh-oh! *waits for Izar to come along*

As for stupidity: Ignorance causes it, and ignorance also causes hate, indifference, and arrogance. So really, ignorance is the world's biggest flaw.

[Dullahan]

I'm supposed to be Catholic, but it's all a load of bullsh!t (no offence), the bible bores the arse off me, it has no more truth to it than Greek and Roman myth, the bible is a myth, IT IS FALSE AND IT'S FULL OF CRAP!!!

I could on for hours but people would certainly be offended.

[Lightning Star]

as for religion. i believe in God, although i do respect peoples views...although i belive believing can really make a diference in this world. my opinion. and only that

[Dullahan]

If you haven't already guessed, my opinion contrasts with. It is my opinion so there is no need to take offence.

[TheOnlyJaz]

I dont believe in evolution, I believe God or Aliens created life on Earth.

If evolution is just advantagous mutations causing natural selections. Then how many of these must have occured to cause the millions of different animals on the planet. And how do you have evolution from plants?!

[Andross]

Evolution is an extremely slow process. That's what people don't get. They think that by comparing the human to the ape, and seeing how different they are, they prove evolution isn't possible. But it takes millions upon millions of years. And you're also mixing up the evolution process. We didn't evolve from plants. Plants grew via a different path. It's all about the climate and geography that decides how organisms adapt.

As well, if you are wondering why there are still apes around, it is because the apes that do exist still live in the jungles and rain forests. The reason we came around (in theory) is that a group of apes ventured from the jungle into what would now be known as the African Savahna plains. Because of certain needs that rose, the apes began to walk on their back legs, grow opposable thumbs, and their brains became more complex.

And again, there is evidence of evolution provided in the Bible, Genesis specifically. The Hebrew word that is translated to days would be translated better to an extended period of time. And seeing as God would see a day as a blink of an eye, then it would make more sense for the translation to read an age.

Oh yeah, and your appendix is also evidence of evolution. When humans still lived off of plant life rather than cooked meat and self-grown fruit, we needed our appendixes to process the plants properly or something like that. But now that humans don't live off of natural plant life, the appendix became useless. The reason it isn't gone is because there wasn't a need to rid of it, as the appendix wasn't a disadvantage in any way.

[Elliott]

In my opinion, evolution is an absolute load of crap.

Look around you, look at all the "beutiful" things in the world, the miracles, how can it all be an accident, and the chances of evolution being true and actually are something like 1000000000:1, very low, considering you have to have the right atmosphere, mineral combinations, food supplies, everything has to be right for it to work the way it does, how can it be chance, an accident?

As easier way to explain it is that a higher power created it, me, I belive it was God. I can respect most other religion (ex. muslims/islam) but I thnk evolution is the biggest load of crap mankind has ever created.

Well, thats my rant for the day...

[Mallick]

one of the worlds flaws is how people are on forums and type really long replys and you don't want to the but you have to because you might not get another person's post about what that person said!!!

[Elliott]

If you can't be mature enough to posts here, then don't.
This is an intellectual topic to discuss serious things.
Sorry if you don't understand that.

[Andross]

Agaito, chances aren't a googleplex to one. There is only a few things for life to come into existence: A nice big dustball that would eventually condense, which would make a planet with an active core, active volcanoes, and solid surface. That's all that was needed for the Earth. Then it was just a waiting game until a couple of molecules came together.

As well, there are actually no set requirements for life for all we know. We've barely explored the planets on our own solar system, so how should we know that lifeforms wouldn't be able to survive on a planet bombarded with radiation? (****roaches anyone?)

All we know for sure is that ONE of the standards for the existence of life is the standards set here on Earth. Otherwise, we don't know it all. Which is also why people choose to just create a God, because it's the easier way to explain it. It doesn't require logic, or reason. You can just say that there is a supreme being. I'm not saying there isn't a God. I just believe that God didn't wave his hand and suddenly we appearead. I believe he followed his own guidelines, the physics he set in the Universe, so that things would make sense. With no logic, it would be chaos.

Another point I was hinting at is how SHORT our lives would be compared to him. If he's on such a massive scale (think macro and micro physics), then the evolutionary process WOULD seem just like a day.

Shall I bring up my quote again?

[Neon]

Quite possibly, evolution created man and all the animals, but god set it all into motion, and manipulated the result :D. Some theorists have produced several similar ideas, since there is prrof of evolution, but no proof that god does not exist. :D

On evolution, there is a well known case of evolution that im sure some of you have heard. There was a white moth or something that lived in the bushland in one area. They were white, becaue it allowed them to blend in with the plants and not get eaten by birds. Now, this area became industralized (like everywhere else, another world flaw) and the trees were covered in soot. The white moths were now being picked off by the birds. SOmewhere along the line a mutation in the genes of one moth lead to it producing black offspring. Normally, a black one would have died off, but in this case, it was harder for the birds to see so it was not eaten. The black moth went on to breed, producing more black moths. All the while, the white ones dies off and walla! In a few short years we a different type of moth.

It all comes down to natural selection people :).

Existence must be the worlds biggest flaw. If the world didn't exist, there would be no flaws :).

Holywood, American government, and mankind in general are the worlds biggest flaws. Oh, and classes. THe rift between the rich and poor is growing, and the middle class is being pulled to either end. Eventually we will have the very poor people, with no chance to go up in class, and the rich, self centered snobs with all their money. Everything repeats itself.

This means that time is a world flaw. Without time, nothing can become permanent, and the effects of one action will not echo for eternity :).

Time and Existence. and Humans.

[Elliott]

*sees long post and falls over*
You people are too intellectual for me, I think I'll go back to my little corner with my own beliefs and be content like that...
*goes to little corner*

[BloodPhoenix]

There is alot wrong with the world today, i have many views about the mystery's of the world and i want to share them, i don't believe in god, neva have dun, neva will, i hate people who are obsesed with god, but it is there choice at the end of the day...
the world has been destroyed by us, god is a legend created to hide sumthink and a past which shows humans that humans fight each other because of there lack of knoledge which they desire so much!

please share views, i don't want to post loads here, but i have plenty to say, it's just i like to know what people want to know... helps me explain things...

please reply to this as soon as...

[Lightning Star]

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In my opinion, evolution is an absolute load of crap.

well said, couldn't have said it better myself! ^_^

[Golden Legacy]

There are indeed numerous flaws, and some of you have pointed out existance as the source of it all.

At a different perspective, perhaps it's our very minds- whether you believe in God or not, the fact is, we exist, and we have to live our lives fully- this challenge is met by our emotions and will, and how we choose to live it and the decisions we make are all a reaction, in one way or another, to the natural instinct of survival.

Sorry, my point isn't very clear...

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[MysticWarrior]

I've a feeling bloodphoenix will be mortal enemies with a couple of members here.

[Eugine]

:P yes he will, I think it is good to have a religion, rather than have none. No one was created by themselves, their must be this high being that created us.

[kate]

I myself believe in god, and i find anyone who think that someone who believes in god to be stupid, or anyone who thinks someone who doesn't is stupid, is themselves stupid and too close-minded to accept other people's views. I believe in god and will not allow someone to convince me otherwise, but if they have a different opinion, i accept that, and would not think any less of them, unlike a lot of people i know *sighs*

k, i haven't really had time to go through the entire topic, cuz it's huge and you ppl make long posts so i don't know if this has come up before, but i find bigotry to be the stupidest thing on the planet, and one of the world's largest flaws. i look back over the years (we're forced to in social studies) and i look at how people were treated because of the colour of their skin, or because of their religion, and i can't even convey the loathing i have for the people who oppresed them. that someone should be judged because of the colour of their skin (which has nothing to do with how their minds work, it's just the intensity of the sun from where their people lived) is the most ignorant thing i have ever heard of. and the fact that bigotry still exsists, even in the advanced world we live in today, disgusts me.

If this has already been discussed i apologize, i just wanted to share my view

[Neon]

The finny thing is that religions kill each other off. Even if they believe in roughly the same thing ^_^. The christian chirch has done this many times, which is one reason why I think the church is utter bs. I'm not saying christianity is bs (though the 'christian extremeists' annoy me endlessly ;)), and i'm not saying god is utter bs.

Those of you who think evolution is a load of crap really make no sense at all. Evolution is so logical it's almost amasing. I point you to this:

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Quite possibly, evolution created man and all the animals, but God set it all into motion, and manipulated the result . Some theorists have produced several similar ideas, since there is proof of evolution, but no proof that god does not exist.

Perhaps the bible is flawed, but that doesn't mean god doesn't esist. We could prove tomorrow that the bible is a lie, but that doesn't proive that God doesn't exist. It only proves that the bible is an elaborate retelling of past events, with possible truths hidden in with the rest.

I really hope nobody took offence at that, since it's not meant to diss anything. I'm just trying to prove that nobody should oppose what other people believe, and claim that it is utter crap because they believe otherwise :D.
That itself is a world flaw...

[Elliott]

Christian Extremests? Can I have one example of that?

[Neon]

lol, I came up with that a while ago :P. I'm just reffering to people who absolutely refuse to accept other beliefs, and claim that everyone should be christian or they will go to hell. There are people like that you know :\. Not really 'extremists', but then, that depends on the context...

I think i'm asking for people to get upset at me :P :(.

The entire world is flawed. And guess what, most of these flaws are because of humans. Even more are invented human concepts, like class, religion, money, etc :\.

[BloodPhoenix]

religion is something created by a belief in god, i believe in no god therefore i have no religion, but i have my beliefs, it's just shareing them seems not hard...

:P

[Neon]

:P I just read your first post for the first time a few mins ago. DO NOT flame people because of their religion :P. You may not believe in God, but have some respect for others and their beliefs. I hate it when people claim that evolution (and other scientific theorys) is crap because it doesn't agree with their religion, but I hate it even more when people like you claim that God is a load of crap. :(

[Eugine]

Scientist is just here to lead people away from God really, I think the Government is funding bad science everywere and thats a Flaw.

[Lightning Star]

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Perhaps the bible is flawed

um no. i know you are not saying that it is, but in my religion (christianity) the Bible's content is God's word, and God is perfect. so therfore using logic, the Bible's content is perfect.

wanna challenge me in logic. go right ahead :D

yes i know people have their own opinions...and flaming them definately wont change their views.

[kate]

you all need to read isaac asimov's "the judo arguements" it's where christians try and use logic to prove god exsists...without success, but they are really interesting to read. they really make you think :D of course, i'm not going to make any attempt to prove god exsists, because with proof there is no faith. i agree with neon in alot of ways tho...you have to wonder about some things...and "extremists" piss me off also...

[MysticWarrior]

lightningstar, on Aug 4 2004, 08:59 AM, said:

wanna challenge me in logic. go right ahead :wacko:

Sure thing. How do you KNOW it's by God?

[Golden Legacy]

It's just that, MysticWarrior. It's a belief. Just as there are scientific explanations for everything, God is what people (Christians, Muslims, Jews...) are willing to believe in.

But Science can only go so far, no? Eventually, a limit will be reached ("before the creation", if you know what I mean): the source of existance, why we are all breathing and right now reading this. After that, anything may seem plausible (to a degree, of course).

Despite the fact that I believe in God, I respect your opinions and beliefs.

[MysticWarrior]

If your thinking that I don't believe in God or whatnot, don't. I was just "challenging her logic".

[Water Assassin]

Well, being the happy-go-lucky person I am I decided a while ago to just be an atheist. I respect whatever religon that you believe in, cause everybody has opinions, but atheistism has more freedom. In fact, just for fun, I will occasionally perform that prayer from FFX before I do PE at school.

I'm crazy like that :) .

[MysticWarrior]

If you think I believe in God, don't.

Now, this contradicts my above post. I just don't care either way.

[Neon]

Ah yes, The Bible is not necessarily gods word. he did not record everything himself, it is a translation of gods word, so to speak, written by humans, and humans are unreliable. Additionally. The Bible was translated into English from Latin some time in the late 16th century I believe. English goes not have words with the same meaning as latin words, so the english translation is incorrect with it's wording to a certain extent...
What i mean is, the words are translated as exact as possible, but the context with which it is recieved by the reader can be changed. This means that our interpretation of the english bible is not EXACTLY what the interpretation would be in latin :).

Anyway. Science is not an organisation who's purpose is to destroy the belief in god. Science is finding out how everything works. You cannot deny that physics and chemistry and biology and everything else is correct. However, it may be that God created the intricate workings of the atom and biological chemistry etc.

Why is that there must be God OR Science. Maybe God created the intricate relationships that scientists study :). Proving scientific theorys does not disprove the existance of God. It only reveals to us how the universe operates :).

The big bang theory for example. There is some evidence to this in 'red shift' red and violet are different wavelengths for light. TOwar one side of a star the light is redder than the other. This means that the sun must be moving in that direction, and shortaning the wavelengths.
Basically, the big bang may be what created the universe, but what created the big bang? God?

Think people before flaming other peoples beliefs. Because essentially, both beliefs are flawed, and one belief fills in the holes that the other leaves open...

[Andross]

I completely agree with Neon. That's how I believe. Science explains how God does his work. It makes things make more sense instead of something like 'He just did it.'

[Lightning Star]

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It makes things make more sense instead of something like 'He just did it.

ahhh, but "he just did it" is a test of faith. to see if you will except the facts and not question god, or to see if you can find an answer that suits your curiosity...

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Sure thing. How do you KNOW it's by God?

well one, the bible says so. clear as day. also in the bible Genisis states that god created the heavens and the earth, every thing on the earth is created by him. (god made man, man made computers, therfore god made computers) therfore, the bible being on the earth means it was made by god...wouldn't that mean its by him?

[Andross]

lightningstar, on Aug 5 2004, 05:21 PM, said:

ahhh, but "he just did it" is a test of faith. to see if you will except the facts and not question god, or to see if you can find an answer that suits your curiosity...

No it isn't. You're mistaking my quote. I'm not questioning God. Geez, I'm bringing this up again:

Physics is the study of the workings and nature of the universe. The universe is the machinations of God. Therefore, physics is the study of the work of God. Creationism attempts to prove that data obtained through the scientific method is incorrect. This, in turn, must mean that the scientific method is incorrect. Physics studies the universe with the scientific method. Therefore, Creationism denies the work of God.
-A friend of an online friend of mine

[Lightning Star]

ooooohhh, okay...i get it now. sorry about that.

[MysticWarrior]

lightningstar, on Aug 5 2004, 09:21 AM, said:

well one, the bible says so.

Does that mean, if I say I'm God, you'll all bow down and worship me, not even knowing who I am? It's kinda like that with the Bible. You don't know if it's by God, or a translation of the words of God, but if the Bible states so, you'll believe it.

[Lightning Star]

i'm not a total bible know-it-all, but basically if the bible says so then i DO belive it. the practice of faith.

[Andross]

See, this is the reason being a reform Jew is so much better:
It lets you be religous in the modern day! Because you can't apply ALL 5000 year old laws and teachings to todays life, as times are just way too different.

[Water Assassin]

Its official: We GSS forumers have WAY too much time on our hands.

I am into the Dan Brown series of books, and even though they were fiction, I do believe that most of the facts in that book were actually true and have evidence to back the claims up. I am not saying there is not a god, I just like to question its existence.

[Neon]

Don't forget, the bible is open for interpretation. What you believe one part truly means may be different to what it really should mean.
Additionally, you have been reading english translations of a latin work, which was recorded from human retellings. Storys, whether true or not, get twisted out of proportion by humans, translation and interpretation. The bible you guys have read will be innacurate in some respects. To translate, you need to understand what the words mean, and find an accurate english translation. This means that you are interpreting the interpretation of an interpretation ^_^.

Just to clear something up, I don't... entirely... beleive in god. I'm a science person, and lean toward the idea that everything is just chance. Unless you want to believe that everything can be predicted through complex mathamatical paterns. Which would only prove that God has created complex patters to maintain his creation, or that the complex patters are the work of God.

My ramblings in this topic have just made me believe in God more than before :huh:. But I still doubt the existance of God. You could say I don't have 'faith'. I'm just keeping an open mind and effectively destroying everyone's arguments with my twisted logic :) :silence:.

[Dullahan]

I don't understand any of that. I turned my back on religion when i realised it was all fake and crap. Jedi is appealing though.

[Eugine]

Yes, man-made religion are misleading and only fools would want to be a Jedi... Star-wars is entertainment for crying out loud...

[Neo]

*Bumping Time!!*

Alright, here is my opinion on a few... new matters;
- Testweek. heh, currently in one, and it's breaking me. I am studying hours and hours a day. it's so demoralizing. the only thing that keeps me going is that Im going to Italy next week.

- The last few weeks I have notices that risicm isn't gone, in fact, it has become worse. everywhere I walk I hear people calling other bad names. I don't mean names like asshole or ****, but worse ones, really words to hurt somebody. there aren't that much black people at our school, nor are there much people from the Islam. but I do hear people saying stuff to them, if not in their faces, behind their backs. this really annoys me, and I said that sometimes too. a few times it almost ended up fighting, luckily it didn't.

[Elliott]

*bumps again*
Racism is bad if you're offended by it, and even worse if you do it. I'm racist in jest, me and my brother have a laugh now and then at the expense of other nations, but not the level of violence.

[Sea of Time]

*bump*

I would just like to start a discussion on Bush's second term so far. The debt has gone completely out of hand, it's over a trillion dollars now. The war is costing more money than anybody could've guessed, and people are dying. And yet they're still giving out tax rebates to win an election.

What are your thoughts?

[Toasty]

Bush is a good President. We would've been worse off with John Kerry. And if we didn't go to war, they would've just bombed us again and costed more lives than if we went to war. If your mad at Bush for going to war, then just think, you would've been mad no matter what the descision was, you would still be mad. You would either be mad that he didn't take any action, or mad that were fighting what some idiots (no offense) would call a "pointless" war. I think it was a good call. I don't like the fact that our troops are dying out there, but I'd rayher it be us fighting and dying to protect ourselves, then just sitting around getting killed off without doing anything.

[Someone Else]

But the war IS pretty pointless. The best course of action probably would've been to tighten airport security and keep a better eye on what's going on around us. Not only does this action avoid exhausting our troops, but it saves us the money we're spending on a war we don't even need to have, and it also keeps the relationships with other countries clean. Right now, Britain thinks that we're morons. D:

Also think about what started this war in the first place. Originally, the Twin Towers got blowed up, so Bush sent out some troops to fight what we called the War on Terrorism, to search for "weapons of mass destruction". Now, five years later, we don't call it that anymore. Now we call it the War in Iraq. Right now, Bush is just trying to get the place stabilized and form some sort of government (I'm a bit fuzzy on the details here). Do you notice something funny about this change in objective? Personally I think Bush was planning this war all along before he was actually President. He thinks he's some god-sent hero bent on improving the world. He really did say that "God wants me to be President" before, you know.


Want an article?

http://www.religionn....com/7036-.html

Of course, it might be a bit biased, since it's a pro-religion site.

[Eugine]

Things like that always happen. The leaders and people of every super power gets over confident, and eventually do things they'd regret. I think it's finally time for a new super power and eventually China or the European Union will be this power.

... I'd prefer to see China.

[Sea of Time]

WD took my argument from me, the revenge we were supposed to get for the Twin Towers lies in Afghanistan, not Iraq. And now the U.S. has Iran knocking on their doorstep.

Also, they say that troops will be in Iraq for nine years, I'm pretty sure the American Government didn't want that to happen.

As for Kerry, I'm not sure he would've made a better president, I would rather see McCain in there, but perhaps we will see him run in '08.

[Someone Else]

Eugine, on Apr 13 2006, 02:31 PM, said:

Things like that always happen. The leaders and people of every super power gets over confident, and eventually do things they'd regret. I think it's finally time for a new super power and eventually China or the European Union will be this power.

That still doesn't make what Bush is doing look any better, though.

[TheEnglishman]

Wind Dude, on Apr 13 2006, 10:11 PM, said:

But the war IS pretty pointless. The best course of action probably would've been to tighten airport security and keep a better eye on what's going on around us. Not only does this action avoid exhausting our troops, but it saves us the money we're spending on a war we don't even need to have, and it also keeps the relationships with other countries clean. Right now, Britain thinks that we're morons. D:

The general view over here is that Bush shouldn't have gone to war in Iraq. Most people didn't want war but unfortunately Tony Blair didn't feel the same way. It's mainly the leaders people are annoyed with, not the actual country.
I have to say that the war has had some good effects. I mean, anything that causes the capture of one of the most dangerous people on the world can't be all bad right?

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, but that leads us back to that old discussion about Bush bashing. It's really not his decision, the government and congress make the legislative decisions in the U.S. So it is not entirely the leaders fault, though the opus is put on them.

[Toasty]

I doubt that Bush was planning a war before he got into office, or ever for that matter. And just tightening airport security isn't enough. You have to stop the problem at it's source, as well as put up defensives. And like ME111 said, we DID catch Sadam Husane (SP?). So even if there was or wasn't weapons of mass destruction, there could've been in the future. Sadam was, in a way, like Hitler. And you know how much better off we are now that he's gone. If we had only put up defensives, we would probably end up with car bombings. And then when we put up defensives for that, then there would be people walking into buildings with bombs strapped to them.

[Someone Else]

This news is fairly old, but:

http://www.cnn.com/2...10/oneill.bush/

Read up a bit more, Toasty.


Do you know why we got hit in the first place? Because of the lack of security. Seriously, jacking a plane like those terrorists did? That doesn't sound like very good defense on our part. We need/needed more.

[Werebarrret/St Jimmy]

THe problem with the world is that I am not the world ruler. If I was the Dictat--- I mean "Prime Minister" of the world, the world would be no problems as there would be free pie for everyone.

Vote for the insane squirell in 2024!

Anyway, the biggest problem in the world is stupidity. >_>


Seriously, the biggest problem in the world is selfishness.
If some rich *******s who have no need for 20+ cars that they don't drive actually used the money they don't deserve for something useful, the world would be a far better place.

That was the opinion of a squirell who hasn't slept in four days and is on a sugar and caffeine high.

[Echo_djinn]

Here it is plain and simple. There are to many "flaws" in this world that it is almost impossible to name them all, m i rite?

[l3lueMage]

correct and there are like nothing you can do about it :D

[Toasty]

Pretty muchly. And WD, that doesn't mean that HE started planning this BEFORE he was elected, but I can see why they thought this, Sadam was like a modern day Hitler. Whether there was WMD there or not, once he stiked anywhere out of his country, someone should go in there and do something. Just think about what would've happened if nobody did anything to stop Hitler?

[Someone Else]

You seem to avoid my arguement about how Bush so suddenly changed his objectives. I personally believe that Bush simly used the Twin Tower incident to as an excuse to start a war in Iraq.

[Sea of Time]

I agree, there was no other way he could do it without distracting the citizens of the U.S. with fear. Putting in the terror alert level system thingy just scared everyone every time it went up.

[Blink]

I believe Bush was even interviewed, and they found that he thinks a great war makes for a memorable president.

...yeah, I think he was planning it the whole time.

[Sea of Time]

'Memorable' may be the right word, but it's really not a good thing in this case. He will go down in the books along with Richard Nixon and his father as subpar presidents.

[Gardna]

Blink, on Apr 17 2006, 02:16 PM, said:

I believe Bush was even interviewed, and they found that he thinks a great war makes for a memorable president.

...yeah, I think he was planning it the whole time.

War is never great. There is nothing great about people dying and killing each other and Bush is idiot if he thinks otherwise.

[Sea of Time]

Sometimes, if the war is righteous, it may be the only solution. That is definitely not the case here. Americans came in looking for oil and they are not getting out for another ten years. It's a disaster on so many levels.

[Toasty]

Look. Bush isn't the kind of person that would wan't to start a war for publicity. He couldn't have planned this, because he couldn't have planned 747's crashing into the Twin Towers.

@SoT: Your welcome.

[Sea of Time]

*cracks knuckles*

Alright, look. Bush did not have to specifically plan what happened on 9/11. By ignoring the information coming into his office specifically stating that terrorists were planning to attack the U.S. he set himself up. After the "failure" in 1993, did the U.S. do anything to protect from the same thing happening again? No. And we paid for that with 9/11.

[Toasty]

You know, it's not entirely Bush's fault. Suggestions like that have to go through the house of senate and house of representatives before they can act on it.

[Sea of Time]

I'm not blaming it all on Bush. I just wish that someone had done something about what happened.

Now, you can't say Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, can you?

[Toasty]

No, but terrorist groups in Iraq did. So that's why we went in there.

[Sea of Time]

What happened to Osama Bin Laden? There are barely any troops left searching for him, even though he was the mastermind behind 9/11. It's not like they can just ignore him.

[TheEnglishman]

Perhaps it's more of a secret operation to go after him. If there was lots of soldiers after him, he'd know when to move. If they keep it as a small operation, they might have a better chance of finding him.

[Sea of Time]

I'm pretty sure he would know when to move anyway. It's not like this is a stupid man. I mean, he's evaded the U.S. for five years now! We don't even know if he's still alive!

[Lemontime]

Religion.

That's all that I can say.
Nothing would go wrong if it weren't for religion.
Yep.

[TheEnglishman]

sibsag, on Jun 13 2006, 06:00 AM, said:

Religion.

That's all that I can say.
Nothing would go wrong if it weren't for religion.
Yep.

So you're response to an earthquake or hurricane would be 'It's religions fault'?

[Lemontime]

Me111, on Jun 13 2006, 02:12 AM, said:

So you're response to an earthquake or hurricane would be 'It's religions fault'?

Dayng, freaking, right!
Hurricanes are all religions fault, especially.

[Sea of Time]

Actually, hurricanes are the result of global warming. With the ocean's temperature rising, it is easier for hot fronts and cold fronts to meet and create a tropical storm. It is therefore more likely we will have larger hurricanes in the future.

[Toasty]

:P .....I'm glad I don't live in Florida anymore...

[Someone Else]

You know what I hate?

Pessimistic stuff, like this topic. Why focus all energy on flaws? Like, why can't the News channels ever talk about GOOD stuff? The only good news that CNN and the like ever talk about is when somebody wins a game on the Sports section. Why can't we give ourselves a pat on the back whenever we do something right?

I suppose it's human nature for people to focus on the bad things. But still, I like a pat on the back every now and again.

[Sea of Time]

Hey, if you want to talk about good things like sports, I'll be happy to discuss that with you.

You want to focus on the good stuff in the world? Don't visit this topic. Then everything will be better!

[Mars Djinni]

The thing with news is that it's a corporation. Corporations are made for solely making money. Bad news makes people want to tune in. Without people tuning in, the news corporations would have no popularity in which other companies use to pay them for commercials. No commercials, no money. No money, no point. Sex, Violence, bad news altogether. It's all one marketing campaigne that will never grow old. That's my concern as toward the world's flaws: Greed. The want for money is greater than the want for putting effort into a successful product that everyone can enjoy.

[Chibi Jesse]

Greed is a terrible thing isn't it?If all problems except the inevitible ones were gone,the world would either differ slightly or greatly.

[Toasty]

I agree that greed is quite possibly the biggest flaw, but keep in mind, there are people who have no greed. They may be few, but they're out there.

[Sea of Time]

If I put a million dollars in front of your face and you say no, that's when I know you have no greed. And what's the point in saying there are people out there without greed? If there are, they certainly don't live in the United States.

[Mindpatch]

That's probably not yours to decide. I think ignorance is the worlds biggest flaw. People thinking they do things good but they don't. It's in my eyes the biggest flaw because people try to do something about it but they can't because they don't know what they are trying to prevent. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but so is uglyness I guess.

[FlamingDuck]

Ignorance is big. I hate it, people doing and believing things just because their told to or their friends do it. Also, TV seems to be a large issue. I don't have channels, and when we're watching a news cast about Katrina or some other disaster, I seem to be the only one who actually feels sad and depressed about it...Drugs are a biggie to, but that can be somewhat attributed to both greed and ignorance and TV.

[Sea of Time]

I think the blame game is another big one. Whenever something big seems to happen, the government is always blaming something else and never really taking responsibility.

[Toasty]

Sea_of_Time, on Jun 17 2006, 11:02 AM, said:

If I put a million dollars in front of your face and you say no, that's when I know you have no greed. And what's the point in saying there are people out there without greed? If there are, they certainly don't live in the United States.

If you did that, and there wasn't a catch, of course I would take it. But I definately wouldn't keep it all for myself, and that's a fact. Most people have greed, but there are people who can get past most, if not all of it. And thrusting money in my face and me taking it isn't greedy. Thrusting money in my face, me taking it, and me not sharing it is greedy. I admit, I still have greed, but I'm very generous and can get past most of mine.

And the only things the good part of the government is hiding, are things of national security that if leaked to the public, could cause disaster. And you can call me ignorant all you want, but I've decided everything I believe in on my own, without brainwashing or anything like that.

[Phillip]

The biggest flaw is not allowing homosexuals to marry! Melbourne is a safe haven for homosexuals and bisexuals! We are not a flaw.

[Sophia_chan]

I've been there, almost everyone I saw there was homosexual...

[My Best Wishes]

Dumb****. Both of you.

One, Sophia_Chan, you don't live in Melbourne.
Two, Phillip shut up man. If homo's want to legally **** each other they can go to England. And I'm sick of your Melbourne *** capital crap. If you feel so passiontly about homo's in Melbourne go down to St.Kilda and make yourself someone money.