[Toasty]

I don't hate Blu-ray, but I havn't seen a commercial for a movie being sold on Blu-ray in a LONG time (and I watch TV daily), and the last time I walked into Wal-Mart, I didn't see a single Blu-ray disc. Basically, I just havn't seen much of anything related to blu-ray, considering that it's apparently so big now. I'm all for getting 8 episodes on a disc instead of 4, which is basically what Blu-ray offers. More capacity.

[Golden Legacy]

To be fair, I side with Eugine on this one; the Blu-Ray has received more widespread support from movie studios, Sony has more support from other electronic companies too. And one of the major (and perhaps only) advantage of HD-DVD was its lower cost, but now Blu-Ray players are becoming more streamlined, as they're now being included even in desktops.

Blu-Ray definitely has more momentum.

[Toasty]

I knew they could be installed onto desktops, but those are really expensive as far as I know. Much more so than a standard CD/DVD combo drive. I'm not saying Blu-ray sucks, but I assumed it'd end up like UMD's since I havn't seen much of it in a long while.

[Eugine]

The question now is, 'Will the PS3 surpass the Wii in weekly sales?'
Currently in Japan, the Wii sales are declining and the PS3s are increasing, but will the trend continue? I hope.

Read

EDIT: ALso, I'll like to point out recent statistics
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[Toasty]

It's not surprising that the Blu-ray format would out perform HD-DVD's in sales, seeing as it's far surperior in it's abilities. But the same thing happened in the VCR era. The other format (betamax), if I remember correctly, was superior in storage capacity and performance compared to VHS, but VHS took the stage. Same thing happened with Macintosh's and PC's. HD-DVD's seem like they have a pretty good base so far, but Blu-ray is out selling it. It'll probably be Blu-ray who wins in the end, but you can't really make a judgement at this point.

[Golden Legacy]

You also have to consider that the PlayStation brand + new technology = future.

The DVD received incredible momentum from the PS2. Expect the same to happen with Blu-Ray.

[Someone Else]

A developer from the Spore team makes a valid argument to why the Wii sucks.

http://wii.ign.com/a...1/771051p1.html

Basically, he says the hardware of the Wii isn't advanced enough. Game developers consider themselves artists, and as an artist he wants to make good work, but the Wii doesn't have powerful enough hardware for this guy (and probably a lot of other developers). And he's not just talking about the cosmetics here (like spiffy graphics), he means things as well as advanced AI, deep physics, stuff I'm sure you guys could all appreciate.

He isn't saying you can't make art on the Wii, but I think he makes a valid point. The closest thing we have to an artistic game from Nintendo is Zelda. C'mon Nintendo, this isn't the 80s. I like DEEP games.

[Sea of Time]

Even though it was a little over the top, the point he made was valid. I was watching game reviews yesterday and came across a review for Call of Duty for the Wii. The graphics looked like something off the N64. The Wii is almost exclusively a system for "creative" games, and success or not, they could have spent a little longer on putting a little more horsepower under the hood.

[Someone Else]

Of course, this means the Wii may have been more expensive if they had used newer hardware, in addition to the motion sensor. But the Wii is worth $250, and for that kind of money... I think it could have been better without raising the price.

In addition, it'd need to be bigger (or else it would just be more expensive to put so much power into a small system the size of 3 DVD cases stacked) but I really wouldn't mind.

[Toasty]

At the very least, they could've put in a better graphics card thingy. That would've helped a LOT. Mabey a faster CPU, but a physics proscessor isn't exactly needed. It'd be nice to have it in there, but it would just be dead weight in terms of cash. The one thing I would've liked, is for the Wii to have HD abilities. At the very least, 720p.

If I had enough cash, I'd try to hack the Wii game's codes, rewrite them for better graphics, physics, etc., hack the Wii and upgrade it's shiz, and then buy a new TV to go with it all. That'd be frikkin' awesome.

[Someone Else]

CPU's important. Graphics is nice, I don't think the Wii needs to be too much more powerful in terms of graphics. Just enough so it could render more objects on the screen.

[Toasty]

I really don't see how they were able to get the Wii to use less power than a standard lightbulb. For a box filled with electronics, that's just crazy.....

[Aquamarine]

I don't understand all these people who say the Wii has BAD graphics and whatnot. It's 2-3 times more powerful than the GameCube. Nobody was bothered that the PlayStation had such worse graphics than the N64, and nobody was bothered that the next generation of consoles(Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox and GC) were "only" about twice as powerful as the N64. What I'm saying is that if Microsoft and Sony had made their consoles to be as powerful as Wii, nobody would be bothered by that.

[Someone Else]

Since 2 out of 3 competitors have consoles more than 2 times as powerful as the predecessor, unbiased people wonder why Wii didn't do the same with it.

But if you're talking about the Spore developer, he wasn't complaining about graphics.

[Toasty]

The Wii definately has better graphics compared to the GC, but when compared to the PS3, or even the 360, the graphics really suck on some of the games. But take a look at 300 for the PSP, the graphics are horrible.

[EDIT] 'Cause WD told me to. http://wii.ign.com/a...1/771849p1.html Hecker apologizes for bashing Wii.

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, I'm well aware that the Wii can't be compared to the 360 and PS3 in terms of graphics, but it's not right for people to just say that the Wii has crappy graphics, when it doesn't. Saying it has crappy graphics COMPARED to the other two consoles would be closer to the truth. Get my drift?

And I wasn't talking about the Spore developer, but about all people.

[Sea of Time]

Saying it has crappy graphics in comparison to the 360 and the PS3 is something to be concerned about. Twilight Princess may have been an awesome game to play, but the graphics were fuzzy and left something to be desired. If it's supposed to be 2 or 3 times more powerful than the Gamecube, we certainly haven't seen it yet.

[Aquamarine]

That's because TP was originally being produced for the GameCube. Every console makes full use of its capabilities only a few years after it has been released, so it's normal that nothing with amazing graphics has been released for Wii yet.

I never said Wii has crappy graphics compared to 360 and PS3. I said that saying that would be more accurate than just saying it has bad graphics, without comparing it. The PS3 and 360 may have these huge "numbers" when it comes to power, but will they really ever be able to use up all of those "numbers" to the max?

The Wii will only have bad graphics if you want to think that. If you think it's important to compare it to the other two consoles, then sure, it won't have great looking games. But if you just want a good boost in power and graphics compared to the previous generation, then Wii will be more than enough.

[Toasty]

I don't care so much for graphics as I do gameplay, but I'm sure as heck not paying for a game if it's characters are made out of blocks. I don't care how good the storyline/etc. is. But on the other side, I don't care if I see the beads of sweat rolling off of a football player's face, I just wan't the gameplay to be cool.

Basically, as long as the Wii's graphics don't look like something out of the 80's, I'm fine.

[Aquamarine]

Same goes for me, though I care even less for graphics than you do. I CAN play a game where the characters are made out of blocks. Actually, if you ask me, this new generation of consoles could have had the exact same graphics as the original Xbox, nothing better, and I would be perfectly happy.

[Golden Legacy]

I should point out that the Wii actually IS about on par with the original Xbox in terms of graphics; it is slightly more powerful, but even so, I was very disappointed when I found that out.


~2992~

[Aquamarine]

Isn't it supposed to be like 2-3 times more powerful than GameCube? If so, it can't have Xbox graphics. Where did you hear of this, GL?

[Golden Legacy]

An old IGN article - though Nintendo never released the official specs for Wii, benchmark tests have been conducted, and have yielded the same general results:

Insiders stress that Revolution runs on an extension of the Gekko and Flipper architectures that powered GameCube, which is why studios who worked on GCN will have no problem making the transition to the new machine, they say. IBM's "Broadway" CPU is clocked at 729MHz, according to updated Nintendo documentation. By comparison, GameCube's Gekko CPU ran at 485MHz. The original Xbox's CPU, admittedly a different architecture altogether, was clocked at 733MHz.

As the article points out, sheer numbers don't mean a thing; the actual architecture/design of the CPU plays a big role too. That said, in terms of raw numbers, Wii is about equal to Xbox


Revolution's ATI-provided "Hollywood" GPU clocks in at 243MHz. By comparison, GameCube's GPU ran at 162MHz, while the GPU on the original Xbox was clocked at 233MHz.

Same story for the GPU.


The overall system memory numbers we reported last December have not greatly fluctuated, but new clarifications have surfaced. Revolution will operate using 24MBs of "main" 1T-SRAM. It will additionally boast 64MBs of "external" 1T-SRAM. That brings the total number of system RAM up to 88MBs, not including the 3MB texture buffer on the GPU. By comparison, GameCube featured 40MBs of RAM not counting the GPU's on-board 3MBs. The original Xbox included 64MBs total RAM. Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 operate on 512MBs of RAM.


All said and done, Wii is about a little more than an Xbox's specifications, presumably more efficient too.

Source: http://wii.ign.com/a...9/699118p1.html, http://en.wikipedia...._specifications

[Toasty]

I'm surprised. I would've expected the Xbox to have 512Mb of RAM, and the 360 & PS3 to have a gig. My computer is more powerful than them, except for the PS3's proscessor. That's really surprising to me, seeing as how my PC is so slow.

[Aquamarine]

GL, you are aware that they keep saying "Revolution" in that article, aren't you? Who knows how old it is, how can we be sure those are the real specs of the Wii. Games such as Metroid Prime 3 and Mario Galaxy certainly look prettier than Xbox games.

[Toasty]

Aqua, a lot of it has to do with the architecture it was designed around. For instance, though this may not be true, a CPU built around a Power PC architecture may run slower than a CPU of equal power built around an Intel based architecture. The same would go for the GPU. Basically, we have a better understanding of how crap works now then we did when the Xbox was made, and thus we are able to fit the same parts together, but in a more efficient sequence. Overall, new architecture = better performance out of the same CPU/GPU.

[Sea of Time]

And I guess before I speak too soon about the Wii's "crappy" graphics, I have to assume that the more time game developers have around the system, the better the graphics will be. I mean, look at how FFX looked at the beginning of the PS2 compared with FFXII at the end of its cycle. There's a huge difference.

[Toasty]

^ Exactly.

The software programmers just have to figure out how to squeeze out the most performance from the Wii.

[Aquamarine]

Okay, who am I to be talking about specs when I don't know the first thing about all that stuff, you guys know far more than I do. Still, Wii is good enough for me...

[Toasty]

Most of the time I don't take the architecture into account. I have no clue which architecture is best, but I don know the archtiecture has a big say in how fast a system runs. And yes, I could easily live with the Wii's graphics. A faster CPU would be nice plus to it though.

~1900~

[Eugine]

omg... Microsoft rocks/sucks. Read this. Microsoft is pretty darn clever.

[Golden Legacy]

Haha, absolutely hilarious. Microsoft clearly took the headlines from Sony's launch. :smile:


One of the comments on the page summarized it nicely:

I'm loving this! Too often, corporate competition is negative press leaking, meaningless marketing buzz and eventual legal battles. I much prefer this form of corporate competition, a good clean fun that includes witty jabs and even childish antics. Two excellent products with cult followings, going up against each other, challenging each other to a competition of quality, blowing rasberries at each other using barges and whistles.

[Eugine]

Though I prefer Sony, I admit that was great PR. tooLate made me lol. Microsoft got exactly what it wanted it seems; stealing some thunder from the PS3 launch in Europe (which apparently isn't all that great outside UK).

Kudos Microsoft, great PR.

[Toasty]

XD! You have to love Microsoft for their childish actions. If Sony did stuff like that, they'd make themselves look like bullies. Ninty would just look retarded. I wish I were an MS employee. :smile:

[Aquamarine]

It's not often that I can say Microsoft(or Sony) have done something I like, but this is one of those rare occasions. Extremely clever and witty. Good going, MS. It's a little bit low, but good nevertheless.

[Eugine]

PS3: Doing just fine
Explains, even after all the negativity, why the PS3 is doing just fine.

Nextgenwars Debunked
And why not to trust next-gen wars... (don't believe the PS3 numbers ^^)

[Someone Else]

Why is that in a youtube video, why not just an article..?

[Toasty]

^Exactly.

You can't even make out the text on any of the pictures he shows (except for the Wii/360/PS3 slaes). It would have been better off (and easier to do) being put in an article instead.

Regardless, the PS3 still has the fewest units sold out of the three.

And Eugine, the first link was corupted or something. It took me to youtube's homepage with an error that read "Invalid video URL" Or something like that.

[Golden Legacy]

Whoa, why's everyone attacking the video all of a sudden?

I actually found it reasonably convincing. After all, there simply is no way for the NexGenWars statistics to keep up with the actual minute by minute sales of a system.

It seems that whenever Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo announce a milestone for its products (i.e. a few weeks ago when Xbox 360 passed 10 million units sold), the figures are updated. That's all.

[Split Infinity]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040206h.gif

[Toasty]

At least Nintendo can come up with a new name for each console.

[Golden Legacy]

That's a pretty weak argument. In fact, isn't it better for a console maker to have the same brand over each generation?

[Sea of Time]

It's called a brand name. Playstation is a trademark, XBox is a trademark. Nintendo came up with the ****ty name of Gamecube, and didn't want to continue it into the next cycle. So they chose a new one.

It's probably better for Sony and Microsoft, because they can actually have a recognizable product name, rather than changing every four years.

[Toasty]

It get's boring though. After Sony gets to the "Playstation 1000," people will get bored of the name. Sure, it's good to repeat the name of the console with something different, infact, I commend Microsoft for comeing up with something better than "Xbox 2." However, like I said, it can get boring if overused.

[Sea of Time]

The problem is when people hear 'Wii', for the first little while they don't know who's responsible for making it. With a brand name like Playstation or XBox, everybody knows that it's Sony and Microsoft behind it, respectively.

[Toasty]

That's why people say Nintendo Wii and Nintendo Gamecube.

I'm thinking of modding my GC into something more portable, with a built in screen. I have everything but the tools....

[Sea of Time]

Fair enough. And props to Nintendo for not making the Gamecube 2, or the Gamecube 180.

[TheEnglishman]

They could have continued the NES name. Maybe Super Dee Duper Nintendo Entertainment System would have been a better name than Nintendo 64 or Gamecube? :D

[Split Infinity]

They usually ditch brand names once they get into the mid single digits, often earlier. Otherwise they keep the original name and add a cool word to it. There are exceptions like Final Fantasy, who probably only got away with it because they used Roman numerals.

[Sea of Time]

I noticed that Land Before Time stopped counting the movies they were coming out with. Though I'm pretty sure they're around 14 or 15.

[Aquamarine]

Although I like that Nintendo makes a new name for each console it makes a lot of sense(especially for Sony) to use the same name. The N64 and GameCube weren't succesful enough to continue those names, but I believe they'll keep Wii from now on. Don't forget how many times Nintendo used GameBoy, and they wanted to use it for the DS too, but decided against it in case DS wasn't well received.

Microsoft only added "360" to the name because it sounded more and better than the 3 that PlayStation got. They even said that themselves. I hate it because it makes absolutely no sense.

And SoT, are you saying that Xbox is a better name than GameCube? NO name is worse than Xbox. Not even Wii. And that's saying a lot.

[Golden Legacy]

Mr.T, on Apr 9 2007, 07:16 PM, said:

It get's boring though. After Sony gets to the "Playstation 1000," people will get bored of the name. Sure, it's good to repeat the name of the console with something different, infact, I commend Microsoft for comeing up with something better than "Xbox 2." However, like I said, it can get boring if overused.

Brand name is very important. Nintendo took a HUGE risk with the name "Wii", though they're lucky the mainstream eventually accepted it.

Me111, on Apr 10 2007, 04:11 AM, said:

They could have continued the NES name. Maybe Super Dee Duper Nintendo Entertainment System would have been a better name than Nintendo 64 or Gamecube? :D

I actually enjoyed that very much, the "NES" monikor. What would have been wrong with the "RNES", Revolution(ary) Nintendo Entertainment Sytem?

Aquamarine, on Apr 10 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

Microsoft only added "360" to the name because it sounded more and better than the 3 that PlayStation got. They even said that themselves. I hate it because it makes absolutely no sense.

And SoT, are you saying that Xbox is a better name than GameCube? NO name is worse than Xbox. Not even Wii. And that's saying a lot.

For the record, the official codename of the 360, while in development, was "Xenon". However, Microsoft realized the importance and strength of the Xbox brand (since they lost billions of dollar on it, no doubt), and they wanted something to compete with the PS3, so they made it '360'.

Xbox 2 would have sounded weaker than PS3, just by instinct. Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3, however, a lot more comparable.

[Sea of Time]

Aquamarine, on Apr 10 2007, 11:38 AM, said:

And SoT, are you saying that Xbox is a better name than GameCube?

Yes I am. It is a much better name.

[Eugine]

I agree with SoT, the Xbox is a much better name. (PlayStation pwns them all though.. lol j/k)

Anyway, here's a little quote as to why Microsoft chose the 360's name, taken from a 1up article Xbox 360 Uncloaked

Quote

In all of their discussions, the group wanted to put the gamer at the center. Sony's motto was "Live in your world, play in ours." To Ferroni, that meant that the world belonged to Sony. It wasn't the gamer's world. It was Sony's world. But Microsoft wanted to distinguish itself by putting the gamer at the center. Everyone knew that they couldn't call the box the Xbox 2, because Sony's PlayStation 3 would seem more advanced. It didn't matter if it could be explained away. In a world of brief media descriptions, Microsoft might never get past that comparison.

"We didn't want to deal with that long explanation as to why the Xbox 2 was as good as the PlayStation 3," Ferroni said."

"The idea of putting the gamer at the center evoked the image of 360 degrees...In a short time, Xbox 360 became the favorite choice for the name of the new console."

[Sea of Time]

After the first paragraph, I actually thought the quote was telling me that they chose XBox 360 because it's 120 times better than Playstation 3.

But all in all, it makes sense.

[FlamingDuck]

As far as I'm concerned, Wii is a god-awful name. I still feel ridiculously awkward mentioning it in a conversation. That said, the console is awesome. But, seriously...Wii? Ew.

[TheEnglishman]

For some reason, I'm the same. I don't think it's an awful name but I still tend to say 'The new console' rather than the Wii.

Golden Legacy, on Apr 10 2007, 10:42 PM, said:

I actually enjoyed that very much, the "NES" monikor. What would have been wrong with the "RNES", Revolution(ary) Nintendo Entertainment Sytem?

I don't think that name is too bad. You could say that it's 'retro'. :D
Not sure how you would pronounce the abbreviation though.

[Split Infinity]

I don't see what's wrong the Wii. The name implies effortless fluidity and...

Erm, never mind. xD

[Aquamarine]

I've actually started using the Wii name openly in conversations, as here nobody reacts to the name like in other parts of the world. People here just think of it as yet another name.

But please, Xbox a better name than GameCube? GameCube may not be all that great, but at least it says what the thing is used for, and the "Cube" defines what the console looks like. The "X" is used way too much in many other names to say that something is oh-so-great-and-uber-cool, and "box" is just plain stupid, since the thing barely resembles a box, and GC and PS2 look as much as boxes as does Xbox. They were obviously completely unmotivated when thinking of a name.

[Sea of Time]

Can you honestly think that GameCube is that smart of a name though? I mean, they come up with a cube-shaped system, and then give it the name that obviously hit their head first. X may be an over-used later, and I'm not saying that XBox is a genius name, but its still better than GameCube.

[Someone Else]

imo, they're both bleah.

Microsoft: lol well it's kinda box-like, and kids seem to like the letter "X" these days, so let's call it X-box! but we'll make it in all caps with a trippy font so that it becomes... XBOX!!

Nintendo: it's a cube that plays games! GameCube!!

[TheEnglishman]

It could have been worse. Microsoft could have given it a really bad name like XtremeBox!

[Eugine]

XStation? I think that's worse... lol'd so much shyt names.

I personally love the PlayStation the most, though people might say it's because I'm a fanboy!

[Golden Legacy]

... whatever happened to the simple days when everything was called "the Nintendo"? :D

[Split Infinity]

In the old days, they used to call consoles by the single game they played.

[Eugine]

I don't understand...

So, Sony dropped the 20GB model completely from NA, and it wasn't available in Europe at all. Anyone here an analysis for this?

[Someone Else]

Eugine, on Apr 11 2007, 03:09 PM, said:

I don't understand...

In the old days "consoles" only played the one game they were made to play. Like Pong.

[Toasty]

In the old days, instead of buying a system with cartridges, you bought a system that had one game built in. It only played that game, and the only way to switch games was to hook up a different system. It was like bringing an arcade game into your house.

[TheEnglishman]

Golden Legacy, on Apr 12 2007, 12:31 AM, said:

... whatever happened to the simple days when everything was called "the Nintendo"? :D

Or "the Sega". Shame they did so badly in the end.
@Toasty: I never knew that. How much did they cost?

[Aquamarine]

I'm sure many of you have seen the song about how many people feel towards the PS3, but here it is anyway:

http://nexgenwars.co...ideo/7/PS3-Song

Excellent thing there, and I completely agree.

[TheEnglishman]

Apparently Sony won't be offering the 20GB version of PS3 in America anymore.
They say that most people were after the 60GB version anyway, but I would have thought that the cheaper version would be the more popular one. Then again if you could afford the 20GB model, you can probably afford to pay the extra amount for the 60GB.

[Eugine]

Aquamarine, on Apr 12 2007, 07:12 AM, said:

I'm sure many of you have seen the song about how many people feel towards the PS3, but here it is anyway:

http://nexgenwars.co...ideo/7/PS3-Song

Excellent thing there, and I completely agree.

That song isn't professional at all. I have no idea how you could believe it. I wouldn't write up anything, but I'll lead you to PS3 Fanboy which debunked most of the video. If you need rebuttals to the PS3 Fanboy article, read the comments, it has somethere.

And btw, the creator is probably eating is words... the PS3 is outselling the Xbox 360 in Europe and Japan, and it's catching up to the Wii ^___^.
The PS3 shattered records all over Europe (it did come last in Australia though ^^), and last time PlayStation had like 7 in the top 10 software sales. Microsoft isn't the *hardcore* competition now, it's Nintendo. Oh, and Nintendo-haven Japan just lost the top 4 to Sony in software sales ^___^. Trend wouldn't continue though.

Now we know Sony is getting ready for a price drop this October (it's rumours, but still plausable... it discontinued the 20GB model (unbiased article) (which constituded to a higher loss compared to the 60GB) and started mass volume production), things are going great.

[Golden Legacy]

It's about time Sony dropped the 20 gig model. It missed out on a lot of the capabilities of the 60 gig version, including things like not having Wi-Fi, lacking media/SD card slots, which simply didn't make it comparable to the other model.

I agree with you Eugine, this gives Sony the chance to lower the price of its now single-model PS3, making it more competitive in time for the holiday season.

[Split Infinity]

Wind Dude, on Apr 12 2007, 10:53 AM, said:

In the old days "consoles" only played the one game they were made to play. Like Pong.

No, no, I meant those arcade boxes. The ones they had in arcades. Either way is fine though.

[Aquamarine]

Eugine, on Apr 12 2007, 05:58 PM, said:

That song isn't professional at all. I have no idea how you could believe it. I wouldn't write up anything, but I'll lead you to PS3 Fanboy which debunked most of the video. If you need rebuttals to the PS3 Fanboy article, read the comments, it has somethere.

And btw, the creator is probably eating is words... the PS3 is outselling the Xbox 360 in Europe and Japan, and it's catching up to the Wii ^___^.
The PS3 shattered records all over Europe (it did come last in Australia though ^^), and last time PlayStation had like 7 in the top 10 software sales. Microsoft isn't the *hardcore* competition now, it's Nintendo. Oh, and Nintendo-haven Japan just lost the top 4 to Sony in software sales ^___^. Trend wouldn't continue though.

I know the song wasn't professional. It was obviously made by a 360 fan.
Also, did I say I believed everything they said in the song? I said I agreed with it, but I only meant I agree that Wii and Xbox 360 are better consoles with better games(in the future) and that both will have a much better market share than PS3. I know Sony didn't kill their brand, as the song suggests.
All I wanted to say that it's a fun and interesting song, with a few good points, as much as you would like to disagree.

[Eugine]

Wind Dude, on Sep 17 2007, 11:22 PM, said:

Eugine, I get the feeling that if the hate was aimed at Nintendo you wouldn't care. Sony sucks, that's it.

Actually, if it was aimed at Nintendo, I would care. If it was aimed at Microsoft's Game Division, that would have been another story maybe. (I hated how Microsoft alienated everyone (including my friends) who bought an Xbox just to push the 360)

I love Nintendo. I owned a NES, SNES, GC, GBA SP and currently own a DS. Why would I not care, after putting all this money into Nintendo? I've played atleast one game in mostly every major Nintendo series. I may act like I hate Nintendo here, but it's just reflex action to you guys constant Sony bashing and Nintendo love. I may not be a fanboy, but I'm sure I put enough love into Nintendo just as much as you guys.

And to clear up one thing...
As for thinking I'm a Sony fanboy? (general statment) Yeah, I am. Playing a PS2 was by far my favourite time in gaming. I think Sony deserves my loyality. The PS2 era imo, is the best time in gaming. And the next-gen still lacks in comparison to it. And, the GC sucked.

[Nickelback]

When someone speaks with just logic, you must listen.
I owned a Nes, Snes, 64, GC, GB, GBC, GBA and I own a DS and Wii, but my Playstation is the console I own/ have owned.

I did find this on a different forum
http://www.vgchartz.com/images/ng_sales.png

[Caael]

Finally Wii sold out Xbox. I'm not suprised at all.

Lol @ Xbox in japan.

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, Wii took over the 360 a few weeks ago. And it hasn't been on the market for even a year. That's what I call success.

[Someone Else]

I guess it was unfair to say that to Eugine. I still dislike Sony for a lot of things they do, though.

I'll say this, the PS2 was probably the most successful console last generation, and yet it was the least powerful of the three. So why change something that worked and make the PS3 so powerful and expensive? I feel like Sony thinks that they are better than their consumers.

[Aquamarine]

They probably started thinking too highly of themselves. Like what Nintendo did back in the N64 era. Mistake after stupid mistake because they thought the name would sell consoles. Same thing happening to Sony.

And saying that the PS2 was "probably" the most successful last gen console is one of the biggest understatements I've ever heard. It sold about 100 million units. Xbox sold 22 million and GameCube 21 mil. PS2 was definitely the most successful.

[Caael]

And now it's failing. Sony built too high, and now they've toppled.

Nintendo are rebuilding their failure of the gamecube through the Wii. It's not really a failure, but it sold so little as to what it could have sold.

[Someone Else]

I might as well say where I stand on the three.

Microsoft: I have no interest in an Xbox 360 because my PC is just as powerful as the 360, and most games on the 360 that are successful make their way to PCs eventually or are made better on the PC from the start. (Oblivion [yay 4 mods] Bioshock, Gears of War, Halo 3 will come) and besides, 90% of Xbox games are shooters. I like shooters, but I feel a lot of them are kind of the same thing with slight differences in weapons and enemies. That's why I stick with three shooters, Metroid for a weird shooter/platformer/puzzle hybrid, Halo for cool vehicles and simple, fun, fast-paced gameplay, and Bioshock for general awesomeness.

Sony: Like I've said before, I simply don't like Sony. I feel that they only became a video game company to stretch their market and make some good bucks. You guys probably don't understand how I feel about this, but I won't stress it enough. Video games are art, and I don't think Sony respects that. The PSP was a half-assed attempt, the PS3 is an over-priced, steroid addicted Xbox/computer thing, and Sony seems to have an obsession to capitalise on making new disc formats that aren't really needed, and trying to make everybody convert to it to make more money (that they don't need). Do we really need blu-ray movies that support 6 hours of footage? Seems like a waste of money to me.

Nintendo: Ah, Nintendo. I love and hate them. I guess I'll start by saying I used to be a Nintendo fanboy. Now I'll say that I hate their newest pursuit: going for those who don't play video games. There isn't anything particularly wrong with this, but not many of their first party games, lately, have been very hard or too satisfying for the more experienced gamers. New Super Mario Bros, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime: Hunters, might be forgetting a few. However, unlike the other two, Nintendo is a GAMING company and a GAMING company only. Meaning they actually care about games. If, for some reason, people stopped playing and buying games I think the other companies would cry a little bit because they just lost market, but would later shrug and go back to their other forms of profit. See what I mean? That's where Nintendo gets WD respect points.

So this is how I feel: Nintendo>Microsoft>Sony

And so, here I am, a PC gamer. What's nice about PCs is that they don't really belong to anybody, so you get games from all sorts of companies and publishers. PC games will always be ahead of console games in terms of power and technology, leading to deeper gameplay, better graphics (meaning a better art design) and so on. PCs will always be the best in online multiplayer, if you're in to that sort of thing. Really, the only drawback to PCs is that they are no good for parties and it's tough playing with a friend on the same PC. It can be done, but it's easier on consoles.

Microsoft is going to capitalise PC gaming with their "Games For Windows" brand. You might have seen the brand on some new PC games at the stores. Now, this isn't totally a bad thing, but it does come with some pros and cons. One good thing is that, on Windows Vista, you get Live like you would on the 360, and some games will let you play with people on the 360 (you'll have to pay though, get to that later). Also, PCs should now be noticed as real gaming machines. The bad thing is, PC gamers are used to having totally free multiplayer. You'll have to pay for some of the features of online multiplayer like you would on a 360. Also a bad thing: ACHIEVEMENTS. They will be the death of gaming.

[/end long post]

[Toasty]

Achievments get people to play games just for the sake of getting a higher gamer score, and not playing games to have fun. Nintendo needs to get their asses in gear and make some real games. They're churning out a slew of "party" games that they spent no more than a few months on. None of them are hyped, and they certainly aren't going to get a whole lot of money from makeing games for "the older" generation. They're too busy working to have time to play videogames. And when they're not woking, they're sleeping.

[Caael]

None of them are hyped? Brawl, anybody?


I do actually like Xbox 360. If I didn't have a Wii, I would definately get a 360. I might even get one for university, but thats like 4 years away, so meh.

I agree with WD, playstation was just a way for sony to make even more money. It's halfassed, and they know they couldn't compete with the Wii so they made it bigger, stole it's motion control ideas and marketed it better than the Wii. Didn't make it sell though. I would lol if they went out of business for it.

But I also hate nintendo at the moment, for bringing out so many crap party games. What happened to the N64 era with thousands of quality, awesome single player games. Cooking Mama, whey! I haven't seen an advert for one good Wii advert. The cooking mama and Mario party sell wii's, but Nintendo are forgetting their original market. The only games I stick with Wii for are Brawl, Corruption, Galaxy and Kart.

[Toasty]

That's not what I meant Caael. I was talking about those half assed party games they've been makeing. They're boring, and none of them are hyped.

[Caael]

Mr.T, on Sep 20 2007, 07:43 AM, said:

That's not what I meant Caael. I was talking about those half assed party games they've been makeing. They're boring, and none of them are hyped.

Like Mario Party 8? I really dont see the point. But my friends who own Wiis ( All who happen to be girls) all have Mario Party 8. What does that say about the game?

[Aquamarine]

Mario Party isn't worth getting until it has online play. When the first MMO Mario Party is released you can bet I'll be buying it.

[Toasty]

Caael, on Sep 20 2007, 11:13 AM, said:

<br />Like Mario Party 8? I really dont see the point. But my friends who own Wiis ( All who happen to be girls) all have Mario Party 8. What does that say about the game?<br />

<br /><br /><br />
No, games like Wii Fitness. Or any other extremely short game you can think of. But not Mario Party 8.

[Nosferatu]

Sony will lose. Bill Gates and Satoru Iwata will hug and make up. The world will be happy. No more war. No more cancer.

The world is going to be really boring...

[Golden Legacy]

Interesting update:

The PSP has outsold the DS in Japan this week, with the release of Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core.

[Caael]

Only because like everybody in Japan already has a DS.

[Golden Legacy]

^ Well, perhaps... DS (and Wii) sales have been slowly winding down in Japan the past few weeks. They are by no means selling badly, but it seems like the DS-mania is starting to die down, and the Wii launch momentum is too there.

[Toasty]

Plus Japan loves RPG's, and sony is a japanese/asian/whatever based company.

[Folcon]

so is Nintendo.

[Toasty]

But everyone in Japan already has a DS, while not everyone has a PSP.

[Ironsight]

Thats because nobody bought the PSP until now

[Eugine]

yay for Sony. Sucks no one is actually congratulating Sony.

[Nickelback]

Can you blame the PSP for selling right now? If they did just get a new FF game I'm tempted to borrow or buy a new PSP to play it. Compared to the DS some games just don't compare. (PSP FF vs DS FF3 etc)

[Someone Else]

The Japanese will eat ANYTHING that has "Final Fantasy" on it like Americans will eat ANYTHING with "Halo" on it.

[Ironsight]

Or STAR WARS. If you havent seen all at least one of the origional Star Wars movies, (or played a game) then your Un-American, and deserve to be deported

[Eugine]

Yea. If you're a Science Fiction fan or something. Anyway, <3 Star Wars. Props to Lucas for Star Wars. George Lucas = President of America ^____________^ (in my book) ... wait... that was Oprah.

Anyway, can't wait for Halo 3 reviews. First review (from Joystiq) said it did not live up to the hype... But then, everyone expects Halo 3 to be perfect, which is impossible. I'll wait for it to come to Vista or something.

[Someone Else]

Contrary to what Joystiq said, GameSpot said it was everything you'd expect as a sequel to Halo 2. So I guess it just depends on the person. (this is why I don't really like game reviews)

But yeah, I'm waiting for it to come to Vista too. It'll be a year if we're lucky, but I'm not getting a 360 just to play Halo early. I'd rather get a Wii.

[Eugine]

GamSpot reviewed it? (goes to GameSpot).
OMFG!! 9.5... that's even higher than what GameSpot gave BioShock!

Quote

Rewinding saved films doesn't work quite like you'd expect it to. AI-controlled Marines can't drive to save their lives (or yours) Inevitable flood of prepubescent online players sure to hamper your enjoyment of the online modes.

OMFG, it's like if they had to search really hard to write "The Bad" for Halo 3, cuz I think their "The Bad" sucks.

[Ironsight]

Hahaha, the Halo team at Bungie has gotta be under so much pressure right now. Worrying about all the hype its getting. Its probobly not gonna be nearly as good as everyone says, it always turns out that way

All well, hope for the best, plan for the worst

[Someone Else]

.eugine, on Sep 24 2007, 07:42 PM, said:

GamSpot reviewed it? (goes to GameSpot).
OMFG!! 9.5... that's even higher than what GameSpot gave BioShock!

OMFG, it's like if they had to search really hard to write "The Bad" for Halo 3, cuz I think their "The Bad" sucks.

Yeah, I don't really like GameSpot anymore. They're online play/console hippies. I mean... they gave GTA San Andreas a higher rating than Half-Life 2.

Not to mention Twilight Princess's rating, which Jeff (GameSpot reviewer who has also reviewed Halo 3) said that Twilight Princess is the same as every Zelda before it. And I doubt that Halo 3 is actually that much different than the Halos before it, much like Twilight Princess isn't too much different than the Zeldas before it. SO, that should mean, according to Jeff (who also rated BioShock...) BioShock should get a higher rating than Halo 3 since BioShock's set a benchmark that other shooters should strive for. I like BioShock since it mixes in RPG elements, making it different than other shooters. Unlike Halo, which isn't that different than other shooters.

[Aquamarine]

Wind Dude, on Sep 25 2007, 04:37 AM, said:

Contrary to what Joystiq said, GameSpot said it was everything you'd expect as a sequel to Halo 2. So I guess it just depends on the person. (this is why I don't really like game reviews)

Not to mention that you can't know anymore who's payed to give good reviews and who isn't. I'm positive GameSpot is being payed all the time.

[Caael]

Wind Dude, on Sep 25 2007, 03:18 AM, said:

The Japanese will eat ANYTHING that has "Final Fantasy" on it like Americans will eat ANYTHING with "Halo" on it.

Final Fantasy Poker!

Super Halo party 9!


I bet anybody that they would make profit.

[Golden Legacy]

^ Well, the PSP slim is also launching there - and it sold out of its 137,000+ unit shipment on the first day. Give some credit to Sony for once.

[Caael]

I wasn't saying anything bad about Sony. I do give them credit. My phone is awesome, never had a better one. Sony Ericsson K750i, never let me down. There, I gave them credit. Happy?

[Sea of Time]

I know now that when the time comes, I would rather get a 360 than a Wii. The Wii isn't all that enticing for me because I would still rather play games with a classic controller. Plus I get to play Bioshock, Halo 3, Gears of War, and (the good version) of Madden 08 on a 360.

PS3 was never in the question because the games list is just scant on everything good.

[Eugine]

I'll only get a PS3 and/or Wii. I may enter this generation of gaming when Brawl comes out, but most likely I'll just wait until 2009.
360 isn't on my list because most of the games I like come out on PC anyway... I just hope Halo Wars comes to PC.

[TheEnglishman]

Sea of Time, on Sep 25 2007, 07:41 PM, said:

I know now that when the time comes, I would rather get a 360 than a Wii. The Wii isn't all that enticing for me because I would still rather play games with a classic controller. Plus I get to play Bioshock, Halo 3, Gears of War, and (the good version) of Madden 08 on a 360.

I'd agree with that. Some Wii titles do look interesting, but it still comes down to how to play it for me.

[Caael]

The only reason I have a Wii is

Brawl
Galaxy
Corruption
Mario Kart Wii

Those are the only games I bought the Wii for. Once i've played them, completed them, i'll have had my time with Nintendo and get a 360. Unless there's another metroid or castlevania coming out on Wii, that'll be it for me.

I'll still have my DS, plenty of awesome games still coming out. Faithful supercard, you are the reason why I haven't spent money on any DS games in months.

[Golden Legacy]

I'm surprised that all of you are certain that Brawl, Galaxy, and Corruption are the only big titles to look forward to. Not counting Nintendo's other franchises (Fire Emblem is also being released this year), it's about the wide offering of games. Wii has plenty of third party support (though no where near 360/PS3 levels), and just because they may not match the big first party titles doesn't mean they aren't worth looking forward to.

[Someone Else]

I forgot to mention that in my breakdown of the three companies. Nintendo tends to treat 3rd party like crap. Remember Pangya Golf for Wii? Pangya is an online golf game for PC, but they (the Pangya team) created a Pangya game on the Wii. They were going to make it online, but Nintendo didn't let them, supposedly because they want to make their Mario Golf game online and didn't want Pangya to compete with it. =/

[Toasty]

I think we should start our own game rateing site. Seriously. I know a few people in town that would probably give their opinions as well. That way, we could have an unbiased rateing for a game for once. It'd be unbiased because it wouldn't just be one person who's rateing the games, and, I'm presumeing, that if any one of you joined, you wouldn't be bought either.

[Eugine]

We would? Aqua will rate Galaxy 10/10... I'll rate FF 10/10... GL will rate Brawl 10/10... WD will rate games for PS3 -10/10... So will Aqua.
We would be very unbiased boy ^___^

EDIT: And anyone knows how well Halo 3 sold?

[gsninja]

I have no idea how well Halo 3 did.

I love Nintendo because they're a pure gaming company. Microsoft and Sony's "gaming" systems shouldn't be called gaming systems. They're more like all-purpose electronic entertainment systems. At least Nintendo sticks to games only, that's part of what makes me respect Nintendo so much.

[Caael]

Brawl would get 11/10 in my eyes. But if we get mixed opinions and take an average, that will be a good way to review a game.

[Aquamarine]

@WD: Wow, I didn't know that about Pangya Golf. What asses. And although Nintendo is trying to be fairer to third parties, they're still not very good at it. When they were showing the new Wii games at the previous E3(I think) they showed the new online Medal of Honor for only a few seconds, while they gave the whole spotlight to Wii Fit. Who gives a **** about Wii Fit?! Heh, it rimes...

@gsninja: Nintendo used to be a game-only company, but now they've started making things like Sudoku and Wii Fit, which can't be considered real games in my eyes.

@Eugine: You may be right, but I wouldn't give Galaxy a 10/10 even if it didn't deserve it. Really I wouldn't. Before I played it, I thought Wind Waker had a chance of getting a perfect score from me. When I finished the game, I saw it was far from a perfect score. I love Metroid Prime 2, but I wouldn't give it a 10/10 because I'm aware it's not as original and ground-breaking as the first Prime. I would give it a 9/10 though. And why would I rate PS3 games 10/10? =/ I greatly dislike the PS3. Then again, if a game for it really deserved a 10 I would give it a perfect score.

@Toasty: That's not such a bad idea. I wouldn't be one of the reviewers though, since I only own Nintendo consoles, play 3/4 games a year and usually play a game about one year after its been released.

[Eugine]

xD, I said -10/10. Less than 0.
But honestly, I know I can't review games. I'm biased to JRPs for sure. They'll all get 10/10.

[Aquamarine]

Oh, I see now... lawl xD

[Moonear]

dude of wind: u like cars right??? The PS3 is gonna have gran turismo 5, and the 360 is gonna have forza motorsport and project gotham. But the wii doesn't seem to have any amazing racing games...

[Nemphtis]

The Wii is raping every other console on the market right now. However there's no denying that due to Microsoft's head start the 360 still has a better range of videogames, and looking at the Wii's future line-up there doesn't seem to be any threatening games coming out aside from the obvious two. Hell, even the PS3's future line-up looks optimistic and varied compared to the Wii, and that's saying a lot because the PS3 is currently the biggest waste of money.

At least when the Gamecube sucked ass, it was still cheap to purchase and thus justified the money you spent. I bought a Gamecube for £80 for three games I really wanted to play, it was money well spent. Yet they expect me to pay £300 for a PS3 and for what? MGS4 and FFXIII isn't even out yet, neither is Killzone 2 or LittleBigPlanet. The only multiplayer game worth playing is currently Warhawk, and Heavenly Sword is so short you'll wonder if the money was worth the purchase.

Bottom line? The 360 is still the console to buy if you want a safe bet and a balanced console. It has the best online service, a healthy selection of games already released, and isn't insanely expensive. The Wii is also excellent but lacks in software, because Nintendo still have a problem with successful third party games, and the PS3 is not worth it right now but once the upcoming games are released that £300 much actually be justified.

[Someone Else]

My dad is going to get a PS3 one day for blu-ray... now, even if I hate Sony's guts I'm not going to complain. LittleBigPlanet looks orgasmically fun, and there's a couple cool racing games and the Resistance games too. But the only game I'm certain I'd like to buy is LittleBigPlanet, and that's not till February.

Current Gen Consoles lmao.

[Eugine]

Quote

and that's saying a lot because the PS3 is currently the biggest waste of money.

Bottom line? The 360 is still the console to buy if you want a safe bet and a balanced console. It has the best online service, a healthy selection of games already released, and isn't insanely expensive.

I agree honestly with the first statement but disagree with the second. And basically, I agree with everything else.
I'm a guy who loves JRPGs, and the 360 just doesn't offer enough.

That's why I'm waiting until next year to enter next-gen (uh... current gen?). I'm content with my PS2 and PC now. Only Brawl can make me enter this generation this year.

[Nemphtis]

.eugine, on Oct 12 2007, 01:15 AM, said:

I agree honestly with the first statement but disagree with the second. And basically, I agree with everything else.
I'm a guy who loves JRPGs, and the 360 just doesn't offer enough.

That's why I'm waiting until next year to enter next-gen (uh... current gen?). I'm content with my PS2 and PC now. Only Brawl can make me enter this generation this year.

Okay answer this question and I'll consider your response correct:

Out of the three next generation consoles, which is currently offering the most JRPGs to the market at the time of posting this. I'll answer my question for you, the Xbox 360. I don't know how much you follow the Xbox 360 sector so I'll start from the basics as to why Microsoft has the strongest RPG line-up and why this will remain for some time. Firstly Microsoft is paying good money to Mistwalker Studios who is lead by Hironobu Sakaguchi, commonly known as the father of Final Fantasy. At the moment Mystwalker studios have the following projects released or confirmed in development:

• Blue Dragon (December 7, 2006 (Japan), August 28, 2007 (North America)
  
• Blue Dragon 2 (TBA): Planned sequel to the original
  
• Cry On (TBA): Action RPG developed by Artoon
  
• Lost Odyssey (December 8, 2007 (Japan)): RPG developed by Feel Plus
  
• Untitled MMORPG (TBA): Game described to be "50% RPG, 50% MMORPG"

SAUCE. Now consider the fact that I have only listed Mistwalker projects at this point, and off the top of my head I can mention a few other RPGs such as Eternal Sonata by Tri-Ace, Infinity Undiscovery by Square-Enix and The Last Remnant also by Square Enix. So in all honesty, if the Xbox 360 cannot please you with JPRGs at the moment, then no other console even stands a chance for at least another twelve months. Good luck waiting.

[Aquamarine]

Oh come on Nemphtis, you listed a game that doesn't have a name, a release date, or any other info!

Wii RPG's:

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors
Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk
Soul Calibur Legends

Those are just off the top of my head. And if we're including games that have no name and release date(since you obviously are):

Untitled Camelot RPG

[Caael]

Hey Nemphtis, are you looking forward to Eternal Sonata on 360? Looks a pretty cool RPG, and people are saying it's better than Blue Dragon.

[Eugine]

Blue Dragon doesn't interest me.

And Caael Eternal Sonata looks awesome.
did that scare you

[Caael]

Not really. It looks like a cross between Tales of Symphonia, Final Fantasy and Golden Sun.

[Someone Else]

We should rename this Current Gen Consoles: System Wars, ;) If that's too long it can just be Current Gen Consoles.

[Eugine]

I love it Caael. My type of game =)
Watching gameplay clips now.

[Toasty]

ihatekraden, on Oct 11 2007, 05:31 PM, said:

dude of wind: u like cars right??? The PS3 is gonna have gran turismo 5, and the 360 is gonna have forza motorsport and project gotham. But the wii doesn't seem to have any amazing racing games...

Three words. Need For Speed. The next game in the series may not be exclusive, but it promises to be a step up from NFS:Porsche Unleashed, which is, in my eyes, the best game they've ever made. The Grand Turismo series has never been appealing to me. It's always the same thing over and over (as with a few other sony owned series, most noteably the FF series), the same goes for PGR. But Forza Motorsport 2 looks appealing.

However, out of all the racing games I've played (and I've played a hell of a lot of 'em), the NFS games have always come out on top. The ONLY exception was NFS:Carbon, which just plain sucked. It was just a darker verison of Most Wanted with a few extra gimmicks.


And eugine, as far as the game reviewing thing, I never said you wouldn't be biased. ;) I just said I didn't think that any of you would be easily bought seeing as many of you dislike how IGN and GameSpot and a few others have been bought. And that's why the overall score would be an average instead of just one person's opinion.

And if it ever got off the ground, and if I ever get a few of my other projects going, I'd have enough money to send copies of the games to all of the reviewers. And none of that cash would come from the site.

[Eugine]

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/02/14/npd-ps...360-in-january/

It has begun :P

[Laharl]

i believe what that sites says the same way you believe the strange man in the raincoat offering you sweeties

fanboys of that level are just vermin

[Eugine]

Well, the site isn't biased. It's run by a larger entity.

xbox360fanboy.com
nintendowiifanboy.com
dsfanboy.com
pspfanboy.com are all part of the overall network. Yeah, PS3 lovers write the articles, but would you want a 360 lover to write PS3 articles?

Anyways, lets look at the bigger picture!!
http://ps3.ign.com/a...2/852469p1.html

50% of the hardware market in January ^^
It has begun :P

[Laharl]

call me a crazy revolutionist but i'd like to see these written by neutral sources

remember what our good friend Nazi Germany taught us popular doesnt mean good

[Eugine]

I gave you a neutral source (but ps3fanboy isn't biased) ... IGN...

[Someone Else]

lmao IGN =/= neutral. They're just as neutral as GameSpot. Which isn't very neutral.

[Eugine]

If IGN isn't neutral, there isn't any neutral gaming sites then >>

[Laharl]

Edge and Famitsu

that is the extent of believeable gaming media

care to explain how ps3fanboys isnt bias? XP

[Eugine]

Read their articles and make your own conclusion. My conclusion: No. They are not biased.

[Laharl]

my conclusion is they are. very.

criticism of non Sony sucess, dumbing down of Sony's failings, sounds pretty bias to me

[Eugine]

Really? Care to provide an article?

[Laharl]

uhh.....the one you linked >>;

[Eugine]

It wasn't biased imo >>

Anywayz, I really hope Sony can continue with the momentum >>

[Laharl]

og for god's sake Eugine that site is awful, notice how the comments critical of sony are faded out so you dont notice them?

comments like this

"Yeah, except they don't show the real numbers. Lying by omission is still lying.

- Wii: 274K \/1.08m (80%)
- PS3: 269K \/528K (66%)
- PS2: 264K \/836K (76%)
- DS Lite: 251K \/2.22m (90%)
- PSP: 230K \/830K (78%)
- Xbox 360: 230K \/1.03m (82%)"

"I highly doubt anyone is willing to attribute this to the shortages of the Wii and 360 I mean this is a fanboy themed site."

basically its a group of zealous pricks performing synchronized fapping to the glory of sony

[TheEnglishman]

I liked the comment:
'hmm i dont hear any 360 fanboys now, lmao even ps2 is outselling the 360'
Does he expect to hear 360 fanboys on a PS3 site?

[Eugine]

The comments are a bit biased yeah, but the site itself have great and professional writers.

Anyway, they designed the network so for a reason. It's really annoying when the fanboys for respective consoles have a never ending war. I hardly see any good reasons as to why someone who hates the ps3 should visit a ps3 site to bash it...

[Laharl]

trolls do it for the lulz

[TheEnglishman]

The whole 'console wars' concept always seems pointless to me. It's not like the consoles won't sell themselves no matter how much people slag them off.
I just don't see the point of saying, 'This console's better than that' as the chances of changing someone's opinion is very unlikely.

[Eugine]

http://digg.com/gaming_news/Why_Microsoft_...D_sales_figures

Second month in a row. And like all the digg users are saying, the supply issue reason isn't buyable!

This is my prediction: By 2009, Sony will retake Nintendo.

[TheEnglishman]

Hurray! One video games console will make a few more millions than another!

[Drizzy Drake]

4 words of wisdom, as to why the 360 will lose(not sure who will win, but 360 will lose).

RED RINGS OF DEATH!!!

Go on youtube and try adn find somebody talking about their PS3 crashing. You might find 1 or 2. Now go to youtube and type in "Red Rings Of Death". Yup, THAT is why the 360 will lose.

[Boomerang]

Its a fact that xBox 360 is sold the least, despite bein out a good while longer then teh other 2. i think nintendo will eventually have all the best consoles, think about it- first handheld, first colour handheld i tihink, first 3D with virtual b0y (even if it only sold for like a week) then a gr8 idea with 2 screens and touch screen, and now some crazy motion sensoring wii gadget. all ps and xb have come up with is cool graphics and online play, notthing proper erevolutional like the wii. in the future i rekon its gonna b a cansole which attatches onto your legs and arms, along with the wii's motion sensor and get us that bit closer to affordable virtual reality. Sorry to the fat kinds in advance for the running levels which will remain undefeated.

PS3 FWT

[Drizzy Drake]

I don't deny that Wii will probably win, but I will actualy put money up saying that the PS3 will beat the 360.

Sony has won twice in a row, so it's due time Nintendo wins for once.

[Boomerang]

Me111, on Feb 15 2008, 04:41 PM, said:

The whole 'console wars' concept always seems pointless to me. It's not like the consoles won't sell themselves no matter how much people slag them off.I just don't see the point of saying, 'This console's better than that' as the chances of changing someone's opinion is very unlikely.

its the same with football teams but people still do the same, ironically the consoles majority sells to males :)

Dipset, on Mar 16 2008, 05:18 PM, said:

I don't deny that Wii will probably win, but I will actualy put money up saying that the PS3 will beat the 360.Sony has won twice in a row, so it's due time Nintendo wins for once.

corse it will, the day GTA4 comes out i think the ps3 will sell a good few million copies. + all the addons and expansions you can get for it, and blatantly an evental awesome and fantastic sik online playing thing.and if one of the ps3 guys is reading this, put up a networking your ps3 guide for dummies. the mofo will sell

[Folcon]

Boomerang, on Mar 16 2008, 01:16 PM, said:

Its a fact that xBox 360 is sold the least, despite bein out a good while longer then teh other 2. i think nintendo will eventually have all the best consoles, think about it- first handheld, first colour handheld i tihink, first 3D with virtual b0y (even if it only sold for like a week) then a gr8 idea with 2 screens and touch screen, and now some crazy motion sensoring wii gadget. all ps and xb have come up with is cool graphics and online play, notthing proper erevolutional like the wii. in the future i rekon its gonna b a cansole which attatches onto your legs and arms, along with the wii's motion sensor and get us that bit closer to affordable virtual reality. Sorry to the fat kinds in advance for the running levels which will remain undefeated.

PS3 FWT

Actually, SEGA game out with the first color handheld. The GameGear.

[Boomerang]

escout, on Mar 16 2008, 05:30 PM, said:

Actually, SEGA game out with the first color handheld. The GameGear.

thats what it was called! =D
i know there was some raaaandom handheld thing, my cousin had 1

[TheEnglishman]

My sister had one as well. The damn thing was so big, it can hardly be called portable.
I think the Wii's momentum will slow in a few months now that the big games like Brawl are out. Meanwhile PS3 and 360 still have some big names on the horizon. I think the fight will be between them this year.

[Caael]

The only big title for the Wii coming up now is MK. Then I think it will take a backseat.

360 had it's biggest year last year, with Bioshock, Gears, Halo, COD etc. I dont think anything it does this year will match that of last year. Apart from GTAIV, but thats for PS3 as well.

[Drizzy Drake]

The thing is that the 360 and the Wii have both released their big games and now are relying on those games to get them through this year, while the PS3 has a great lineup for 2008/2009. Tekken, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Little Big Planet.

[Golden Legacy]

True, Wii's biggest hardcore titles have already been released, with the exception of Mario Kart which is also releasing worldwide in April (and Brawl yet to be released in Europe/Australia, don't forget). Although, I think Wii's momentum will continue with at least the casual folk - especially with the imminent release of Wii Fit. And yes, I know that we gamers don't give a damn about Wii Fit, but it's going to be huge especially in the United States (imagine seeing it on mainstream television programming, like on Oprah - that's the kind of force we're dealing with here), and that should carry Wii through at least the end of the year.

With the recent success of the Blu-Ray, the PS3 has literally come full-force back into the race, and Sony should certainly be proud that they've made it the official next-generation optical media, and that alone should eventually have the PS3 dominate the 360, if not already.

I'd say this race is still far from over though. Sony still has its biggest titles to come out, 360 currently has the most solid and well-rounded library, and Nintendo had better be working on bringing out some new classic hardcore franchises.

[Folcon]

The Wii does have a FF Crystal Cronicals game, a Harvest Moon game, Broque, and ToS 2, all slated for release this year.

The 360 has a Tales game coming soon, as well as Fable 2.

[Drizzy Drake]

Fable in my opinion, wasn't that great of a game. It felt like an Elder Scrolls rip off, but not as good.

But like GL said, the Blu Ray winning really has helped the PS3. It was a gamble to maknig the Blu Ray playe internal, seeing as it could have lost, but in the end it payed off.

I can the race going:

1.Wii
2.PS3
3.360

Though PS3 could catch up to the Wii, I think it's safe to say the 360 has lost the war.

[Eugine]

Don't think it's safe to say. Microsoft can still turn things around. I do think they need to be worried though.

I personally think the PS3 will outdo the Wii at the end of this cycle, but I see no clear winner.

[Laharl]

escout, on Mar 16 2008, 05:30 PM, said:

Actually, SEGA game out with the first color handheld. The GameGear.

so the game & watch machines didnt exist then?

[Caael]

http://nexgenwars.com/

PS3 still has a while to go.

The thing with microsoft ( and sony) is that gaming isn't their main priority. Microsoft's main priority is Windows and PC's and Sony's is TV's and electronics. It means nothing to them if they lose the console war as they have other businesses as well, but if nintendo lose ( not that they will) they're ****ed :\

[Golden Legacy]

Remember that the Xbox 360 is essentially dead in Japan, a market that Microsoft will never be able to penetrate (though to their credit, they did give a lot of effort to try and make the Xbox brand viable in Japan). Once MGS4/FFXIII get released worldwide, you can bet the 360's lead (which it gained by releasing early) will start to shrink.

That's not to say that it's a definite; in fact, I'll even argue that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo have all won - selling millions of units that are a few hundred each, that's an impressive accomplishment in itself. Even if it is a race to sell the most, I'd say that the true "winners" are eventually the fans and the gamers.

[Caael]

I dont understand why some people are so competetive about the whole thing. It's not like whoever comes last goes out of business.

[TheEnglishman]

laharl the slayer, on Mar 16 2008, 09:12 PM, said:

so the game & watch machines didnt exist then?

Were they in colour?
@Caael: I'd agree with that. None of the consoles are going to crash and burn in a Gizmondo style.

[Someone Else]

360 has one thing to keep it going, and that's Xbox Live. Even I, who doesn't even like competitive gaming, can't deny their online service is the best. PSN gets points for being free though.

Is it okay that I don't think any of the consoles are really particularly great at the moment? The 360 has too many shooters and not enough of anything else, the Wii released only a few "hardcore" games (which were too easy to be called hardcore in my book) and few are to be seen on the horizon, the PS3's big exclusive titles to come are MGS4 and FF13 and that's only two games.

I'm having a hard time seeing Wii Fit being popular.

[Golden Legacy]

Because selling 1.6 million units isn't popular enough. (Ctrl + F, type in Wii Fit)

And I actually agree with you on that post... I have a greater appreciation for last generation's games, and I'm sure I'm not the only one feels that way.

[Someone Else]

Hmm I stand corrected I guess. Didn't know Wii Fit was out yet. Anyway, for the sake of arguing I'll just say success in Japan =/= success everywhere else. The Japanese seem to absolutely eat up anything produced from Nintendo and Sony, everywhere else it isn't quite the same.

[Toasty]

Just to clarify a few things about who came up with what first:

Sony's Playstation was origionally a disc system add-on for the SNES. Sony and Nintendo Separated, and Sony released the Add-on by themselves as the console we know as the Playstation.

Nintendo invented the D-Pad.

Nintendo invented (or was the first to use it in a console and patent it's use there-in) the analog control stick.

Nintendo was the first to impliment motion sensing into a console controller (or any video game, for that matter).

And I'm not sure, but I believe Nintendo was the first to come out with a console that contained a full 64bit architecture.

[Caael]

Wii fit isn't really a game though, it's a keep fit thing. I'm starting to think that a Wii isn't a games console, and more of an accessory now. '' So I got one of those Wii things..''

[Toasty]

It's got games for it Caael. There's just a lot of those annoying "Super Happy Innovative Titles" out there. Not to mention Ninty has more crappy movie games on their console than MS or Sony does. Which annoys me.

Like I've said before:

MS = FPS
Sony = RPG
Ninty = Adventure/Platformer

Those are what they major in. The majority of their titles fall into those genres. Though, all of them have FPS's, RPG's, and Adventure/Platforming titles, they don;t have as many as MS, Sony, or Ninty in that order.

[Laharl]

Toasty, on Mar 17 2008, 06:50 AM, said:

And I'm not sure, but I believe Nintendo was the first to come out with a console that contained a full 64bit architecture.

the fact it still used catridges tmade the power of the console irrelevent

[Golden Legacy]

Mm, and it was for that reason that Squaresoft released their highly anticipated new Final Fantasy game on the Playstation. That was FF VII, and it was actually intended for the N64 - there was even a demo of it at one point, but the cartridge(s) were simply not enough to hold all that data, especially for the CG cutscenes.

Hence the move to Sony, and one of the strongest franchises in gaming history being exclusive and giving the Playstation dominance, especially in Japan.

[Drizzy Drake]

The CG cutscenes were one of the things that made FF7 what it is.

I believe the demo you are talking about, wasn't actaully a FF7 demo, but a 3D rendition of parts of FF6. I may be wrong though.

[TheEnglishman]

Yeah I think you're right Dipset. It contained three FFVI characters in a demo battle. It didn't specifically show anything that would be in FFVII.

[Drizzy Drake]

That demo was after they said it would be on PS. The FF demo that was for Nintendo had 3d versions of some FF6 characters.

[Toasty]

laharl the slayer, on Mar 17 2008, 05:08 AM, said:

the fact it still used catridges tmade the power of the console irrelevent

The upside of cartridges is their lifespan. Less likely to be scratched or ruined. And Nowadays, we have 16GB flashdrives. Heck, you could fit the flas memory chips from three of those in an N64 cart with space to spare. Plenty of room nowadays.

Unfortunately, flash memory technology was nowhere near that back then.


Besides, the Playstation came into existance thanks to Nintendo, and it wouldn't have survived without Final Fantasy.

[Eugine]

lolz. That's not true =)
You obviously have yet to see the massive PS, and PS2 catalog =)

Wouldn't doubt it helped it. But it would have survived.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-...mes#PlayStation

[Caael]

Revived to, ironically, stop spamming TRT

[Ravenblade]

And of course no one is interested any more - figures.

My two cents: If Sony *do* win this console war, it will be because they're the cheapest (Im told) HDTV DVD player on the market, and not cos they have an awesome console. I feel as if the X360 and PS3 are almost interchangeable when it comes to games, and since the X360 was there first, it beats PS3. Wii is a totally different market in a lot of respects, so comparing is kinda silly..yeah the Wii is outselling (Note, im a nintendo fanboy) but its aiming for people who dont play games already more than anything..

Also, I have heard tell of Sony throwing in the towel as far as consoles go...Apparently they're shifting up their management structure to prioritise software rather than hardware. Therefore, the PS4 may never come to be. Leaving only M$ and Nintendo. This would be good, cos you could own both and have every game on the market =D

[Drizzy Drake]

NO!!!!! I have been loyal to Sony, and to a lesser extent, to Nintendo, forever. I can't buy a Microsoft system. I JSUT WON'T!!!!!

[TheEnglishman]

Why not? It's not like Sony or Nintendo are going to refuse to sell you anything if you do.
Nor are they offering any special rewards for being loyal to them.

[Drizzy Drake]

Twas a joke. I own an X-Box allready, I just promised myself to never buy a 360. Insane ammounts of systems breaking down, that ANNOYING whizzing sound, and the fucking RROD.

[Golden Legacy]

Toasty, on Mar 18 2008, 05:17 AM, said:

The upside of cartridges is their lifespan. Less likely to be scratched or ruined. And Nowadays, we have 16GB flashdrives. Heck, you could fit the flas memory chips from three of those in an N64 cart with space to spare. Plenty of room nowadays.

Unfortunately, flash memory technology was nowhere near that back then.

It's still ridiculously expensive to have cartridges/flash drives as the standard medium for games (and movies/music too, for that matter).

Ravenblade, on May 11 2008, 05:56 PM, said:

Also, I have heard tell of Sony throwing in the towel as far as consoles go...Apparently they're shifting up their management structure to prioritise software rather than hardware. Therefore, the PS4 may never come to be. Leaving only M$ and Nintendo. This would be good, cos you could own both and have every game on the market =D

Sony is not leaving the console market. Not happening. Besides the fact that the PlayStation brand is definitely the strongest game brand nowadays, Ken Kutaragi (former president of SCE) was reported to have had ideas for what the PS4, PS5, and PS6 were to be. Yes, that's going through PlayStation 6, he had a vision for it.

That said, I do think it was very wise of Nintendo to market the Wii completely different. We can argue about its worth as a "true" hardcore game console all we want, but you have to admit it was a brilliant corporate strategy - even the fact that Wii is for many people a secondary console, means it can reach out to the PS3/360 hardcore group.

[Legolastom]

The system breaking down isnt that big a problem anymore. The Wii is much noisier (Try playing MySims) and RROD rarely happens anymore apparently.

[Ravenblade]

I bought a 360 and had to return it to get fixed by Microsoft x.x Was a pain. But their customer service was top notch - was done in like 5 days.

If either the PS3 or Xbox didnt exist though, you could probably just about afford a Wii + whichever one was still there. Whereas buying all 3 is insane..

EDIT - @GL I just read it in the Financial Times, I dunno if its true. I mean, Sony is a strong brand no doubt about it, but how much of that is truly for their games?

[Golden Legacy]

Ravenblade, on May 11 2008, 06:40 PM, said:

EDIT - @GL I just read it in the Financial Times, I dunno if its true. I mean, Sony is a strong brand no doubt about it, but how much of that is truly for their games?

Sony is a strong brand, it's also a company. And when you hold one of the strongest media brands out there, you're going to keep going with it.

The PlayStation brand has sold over 250 million units worldwide since its inception. That's the bottom line here for Sony, there is no practical reason why they would drop the brand.

Now, if you perhaps agree that Sony will delay the release of the next PlayStation system (whether console or handheld) because of the huge costs of PS3, that's a fair point and one I would agree on. In fact, it's almost definite that the PS4 will not be coming out as soon as the PS3 did after PS2 (or PS2 did after the original), but it's guaranteed to be coming.

[Ravenblade]

Well fair enough...I mean, I have no inside knowledge of Sony's Company and cannot claim to have seen their business plans first hand XD

Just stating what I saw in the papers GL ^^;; Not really arguing anything with it.

[Caael]

Dipset, on May 11 2008, 11:35 PM, said:

Twas a joke. I own an X-Box allready, I just promised myself to never buy a 360. Insane ammounts of systems breaking down, that ANNOYING whizzing sound, and the ****ing RROD.

You havent owned one, your opinion doesnt matter. All the 30% of RROD is bull****. People are worried about getting RROD because they hear so many stories about it, but out of every xbox 360 owner in the world,you havent seen a news story for those people who havent got RROD, have you.

Plus the noise is only loud when you put a disk in, because it's processing the info.

[Eugine]

I would never buy the 360. Never. It just has the weakest gaming catalog. Waste of money imo.

[Ravenblade]

For the sake of my ignorance, could someone point out to me which exclusives Sony has that 360 doesn't have? I can think of a fair few for the other way round, but I've always struggled to determine exactly what Sony's exclusives are.

[Caael]

Yes, opinion. Eugine, trying to convince us that Sony are better than everybody else is pointless. We're not going to change our minds just because you shove a few meaningless facts in our faces.