[Ironsight]

*grabs head*
GAAAAAHHHHHH!

[Split Infinity]

The Wii is dying, the PS3 is rising, and the 360 is stable.

That's a fact.

[Ironsight]

Split Infinity, on May 23 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

The Wii is dying

8 year-olds only stay young for so long :D

[Drizzy Drake]

DarkSword, on May 23 2008, 07:50 PM, said:

*grabs head*
GAAAAAHHHHHH!

Does the word "implied", just not register in his head?

[Eugine]

And I want to know where I implied it... Simple isn't it?

[Zeypher]

The Wii isn't dying...we just don't know what games Nintendo has secret for us in the second half of '08. We'll find out on July 15th, though.

...and I don't know a single 8-year old who has a Wii. All the little kids I know have 360's and they play Halo 3 all the time.

[Drizzy Drake]

Darksword, facepalm for me.

[Eugine]

Noo... I just want the flipping quote. Is it that hard?

[Ironsight]

Dipset, on May 23 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

Does the word "implied", just not register in his head?

I grabbed the head with the real bones in it.

Dipset, on May 23 2008, 04:59 PM, said:

Darksword, facepalm for me.

http://blog.pucp.edu.pe/media/497/20070902-Facepalm1.jpg

[Split Infinity]

Zeypher, on May 24 2008, 09:58 AM, said:

The Wii isn't dying...we just don't know what games Nintendo has secret for us in the second half of '08. We'll find out on July 15th, though.

That doesn't guarantee anything.

[Eugine]

THAT'S IT! I HAVE IT WITH THESE MOTHERFLIPPING SNAKES ON THIS MOTHERFLIPPING PLANE!

Don't think the Wii is dieing honestly. Demand is far higher than supply right now.

[Zeypher]

Ujeen is trying to change the subject.

[Eugine]

No I am not. I am still waiting for my 'implied' quote.

[Drizzy Drake]

...moar facepalm plz.

[Eugine]

Omg, well honestly I want to ratify my statement, so just look for the quote where I implied anything...

[Ironsight]

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/305/facepalm1ve4.jpg

[Eugine]

OK then I give up. I lose!

The 360 sucks.

[Drizzy Drake]

There we go. Finally some facts, and logic.

[Toasty]

Eugne, you're trying to say that the Wii is not going to lose to the PS3, yet at the sae time, you turn aroundand imply that either a) the PS3 is winning right now and the Wii is the only console capable of catching up/beating it (which isn't true as the PS3 is currently NOT winning), or :D the PS3 will win in the end with the Wii as a close second.

Both option contradict the first statement. Not to flame or be rude, but I think you need to ask yourself if you know english very well.

Now, back to the other topic at hand. :o

No console is really winning or losing at the moment. Obviously, there's a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place, but it's way too early in the race to tel, and they're all fairly close together.

As long as Nintendo can get some more killer games out, and not more super happy innovative titles, the Wii has a pretty solid chance of winning. Infact, the odds of the Wii comming in 3rd are incredibly slim. The Wii is pretty much garunteed a 1st or 2nd place finish. However, they'll need shooters and RPG's to do that. A kickass racing game wouldn't be a bad thing to throw in either (sorry, MKWii isn't good enough. I need something like Nintendo's version of Forza/GT5. Heck, a port of NFS:Porsche Unleashed would suffice, and that was designed for Windows 98).

Right now, it's hard to say whether the PS3 will beat the 360, or if it will be the other way round. The PS3 COULD suddenly lurch ahead in all markets due to sudden support of 3rd party developers realising the PS3's potential, or they could just decide to stick with the 360/Wii as they're either a)Still working on a game/still under some sort of contract, or b)Think that even though the PS3's hardware is impressive, the cost to produce a game that would truley take advantage of the console would be to great, and there would be too much risk involved. However, the PS3 has MGS4, Killzone2, and GT5 (or is that already out?) in it's future lineup, but even those titles aren't enough for it to have a garunteed victory over the 360.

The 360 is going to see a near extinction of RROD occurences with the new motherboards that they'll be using. By switching from the 90nm to the 65nm process, the 360 will produce far less heat, and even use up less power. Because of this, the system will e more stable, and RRODwill be much less likely to occur. All the boards with HDMI outputs on them currently use the 65 nm process on the CPU, but still use the 90nm process on the GPU. Soon, both will be shrunk down to the 65nm process, and the whole system will be that much more stable. As for games and stuff, I cant really say as I don't own a 360 myself. And though I do realise that the 360 isn't just all shooters and nothing else, that's what it's known for. The Professional Gaming Leauge (or whatever it's called) currently only has tournaments for shooters (except for one game that I think is a puzzler or something. At least that's what it was last time I checked). The 360 has Forza, and I think full auto is pretty god, but I don't know of a whole lot of racing titles. As far as RPG's go, the 360 has Blue Dragon, though there's probably a few more (I'm personally more interested in JRPG's, so feel free to throw the WRPG's in the list for me). Adventure games are kinda lacking here aswell. Assassin's Creed is on the PS3 too, so even though it's awesome, it can't be thrown in here. Basically, I know the 360 has some good titles from a lot of genre's, but there's not enough of them.


I'd like to add one more thing though. Sony is still producing PS2's, and is still p[roducing games for the PS2. It's be a lot smarter to spend an extra $30 and buy a Wii and a PS2, than to just get the PS3. Sure, you won't get the insanely-good-looking-with-fancy-graphics titles that are on the PS3, but the PS2 has a crapload of good titles for it already.


And here come the tl;dr's. :P

[Caael]

Wow Toasty, you managed to type all of that and only bringing system specs into it once. I'm proud of you man.

And just to be annoying, why does it matter which company 'wins' the console war anyway? It's not like whoever loses has to give up and never make consoles again. They just get not as much money as the other countries. It doesnt mean they're going to be cutting themselves and shutting down business. Which brings me onto my next point; why does Eugine give 2 ****s if Sony 'wins' this generation anyway? It's not like they get uber special super points if they do. ****s sake man.

[Ironsight]

Bragging Rights.

[Drizzy Drake]

What's tl:dr?

Oh, and Toasty, you just said it PERFECTLY. I jsut feel than since PS3 has Europe in the bag, and is Japan's second seller(the 360 is DEAD there) that it will most likely claim second. Oh, and you forgot FF13. And no, GT5 isn't out, but Prologue is. It's a demo, that is bigger than some full games.

[Ironsight]

Too long; didn't read.

[Caael]

Bragging? Are you serious?

[Drizzy Drake]

Sounds liek Eugine's m.o.

[Ironsight]

There's no other reason off the top of my head. It looks good on their permanent record I suppose.

[Eugine]

Eugine, on May 23 2008, 11:59 AM, said:

Wii > PS3 > 360.
The Wii is just dah bomb now, and is the PS3's only threat.

How did this quote say that? I need to learn English it seems really. REALLY NEED TO.

I should have really said "and is the PS3's only roadblock to winning the console war" or something.

[Drizzy Drake]

....still, no. YOU are implying that the PS3 will, or has a great chance or winning, when it really doesn't. Me, the major Sony fan, the hater of the Gamecube(except for Twilight and Mellee), still admits that the Wii will win.

[Eugine]

Really? Cuz that's not what I am implying at all.
I am simply saying that the Wii is the only reason the PS3 might not win this generation.

[Caael]

So 1/3 of the competition. That's like saying 'There's a very high chance that Sony will win this game with Russian roulette, there's 2 bullets loaded in a 6 barrel chamber."

The Wii will win (lolalliteration), if you like it or not. The target audience is just too wide for anybody else to compete with. Each console has their specific audiences, and those audiences should just stick to their preference.

[Drizzy Drake]

I said the WWW thing first, so back off. Grr. And I love your Russian Roulette thing. *Loads gun with 6 bullets* Ok, Microsoft, you go first. XD.

[Caael]

Rofl, Russian roulette with a shotgun.

GTA online is a *****, there's so many whiney little children who all think they're so hard because they have an 18 rated game.

[Drizzy Drake]

Don't even get me started on annoying fucks online. Play Skate, for 2 minutes, and you shall see.

[Caael]

Dont like skate so i'm sorted :D

[Someone Else]

It's honestly a little amusing that Eugine doesn't understand how what he said implied that the PS3 will or has a high chance of winning. "The Wii is the only thing stopping it." Lol.

The PS3 still has a way to go to be beat the 360. Sure it's got sales, that doesn't mean anything if it has no games.

And just because there's a bit of a drought of Wii games this year, doesn't mean it won't catch up later. Really, none of the consoles has that great of exclusives at the moment anyway, besides PS3's MGS4. Why is the Wii taking all the heat now? I guess that's because it's arguably the most popular.

[Ironsight]

What is MGS4?

[Someone Else]

Metal Gear Solid 4, silly.

[Drizzy Drake]

It's Solid Snake's final game. :D.

[Ironsight]

Oh, right. I never really kept up with the Metal Gear series.

[Someone Else]

You should, they're great games. One of my favorite series.

[Ironsight]

I was really young when I played the first (or second, I'll have to check). It was a stealth game, and back then I had only a taste in action, so I wasn't too interested.

[Eugine]

It's not amusing to me. It's annoying me off cuz there were no implication at all. How does my statment imply that? I really want to know...

Scenario...
2 people, A, B are running a 100m dash.
A is winning, but B is in second. Isn't the only thing stopping B from winning is A? No matter how slow B runs, if A wasn't in the race B would have won. There's nothing about "High chances", or implication. Gosh.

[Drizzy Drake]

.....you know what, fine, you are right. You are always right. PS3 is in first, it will win. It will be the best thing to ever be in existence, and the Wii and 360 will suck it's big fat cock. You fucking happy?

[Eugine]

No. Cuz that's not what I am saying either.

I am simply saying if the Wii didn't exist the PS would win dah next gen fo sho

[Caael]

That's taking away most of the competetion, of course it ****ing would rofl

[Someone Else]

Eugine, on May 23 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

It's not amusing to me. It's annoying me off cuz there were no implication at all. How does my statment imply that? I really want to know...

Scenario...
2 people, A, B are running a 100m dash.
A is winning, but B is in second. Isn't the only thing stopping B from winning is A? No matter how slow B runs, if A wasn't in the race B would have won. There's nothing about "High chances", or implication. Gosh.

The problem is that you're taking the 360 out of the scenario entirely, when the 360 is perhaps even more of competition to the PS3 than the Wii is. The PS3 and the 360 try to achieve the same thing; being a powerhouse built off of huge games with fancy graphics and such.

You're probably going to say the PS3 is more technically proficient. And, well, it is. But developers recognize the 360 more than the PS3, after all, it's been out longer. There's more games on it, and there's no reason for that to let up anytime soon, particularly in the States.

[Ironsight]

Consumers (unless you're a fanboy) don't really care about how much potential a console has, they care about how many and how good its games are. That's why the Wii is so huge.

[Toasty]

Eugine, on May 23 2008, 05:57 PM, said:

How did this quote say that? I need to learn English it seems really. REALLY NEED TO.

I should have really said "and is the PS3's only roadblock to winning the console war" or something.

Eugine, it wasn't any ONE post. It was all of them.

Some posts were "Wii IS AWESOME!!11!! And the PS3 is almost as awesome!!" and others were "Wii is okay, but the PS3 will buttrape EVERYONE".

That's what I meant. And I'm sure that's what other people saw aswell. Otherwise they wouldn't have been confused.


[EDIT]

DarkSword, on May 23 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

Consumers (unless you're a fanboy) don't really care about how much potential a console has, they care about how many and how good its games are. That's why the Wii is so huge.

XD

Curse you dirty mind! *slaps self*

*stops hand with other hand* Oh no you didn't!

OH YES I ****ING DID. *punches face*

Stop it! It hurts!

That's the point, RETARD.

*bleeds*

*bleeds aswell*

Schitzofrenia ftw.

[Ironsight]

I saw that one comming a mile away.

[Someone Else]

Having fun there, Toasty?

[Ironsight]

http://scienceblogs.com/ethicsandscience/upload/2006/09/sad_puppy.jpg

[Toasty]

Wind Dude, on May 23 2008, 09:32 PM, said:

Having fun there, Toasty?

Loads. :o

*grabs neck*

*slaps hand* Stop it!

Anyway, it'd probably be a good idea if we got back on topic before GL brings the banhammer down on our [insert plurl body part].

I don't care who wins the console war, as long as Sony comes in 3rd. :o

[Laharl]

Gaming is like cunnilingus - it's all a matter of taste

[TheEnglishman]

To me, console wars are more pointless than real wars. At least in those you'll get an answer, but debate over console wars rages forever. Even now fanboys will still argue over the SNES and Mega Drive/Genesis.

[Laharl]

.. ..excpet.to my knowledge no one has actually been killed in the console war

[TheEnglishman]

I'm not sure. Fanboys can be awful rabid when backed into a corner.

[Split Infinity]

http://www.goldensun-syndicate.net/forum/public/style_images/gssv3/snapback.png' alt='View Post' />DarkSword, on May 24 2008, 02:35 PM, said:

That's freaking adorable.

[Drizzy Drake]

Laharl, on May 24 2008, 06:16 AM, said:

.. ..excpet.to my knowledge no one has actually been killed in the console war

If people can get stabbed over a game, then jt's likely somebody has been killed over console wars.

[Eugine]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtm...4/cnsony124.xml

Lolz, Sony is really worried about Nintendo. It's so funny they basically ignored Microsoft.

[Zeypher]

Laharl, on May 24 2008, 04:16 AM, said:

.. ..excpet.to my knowledge no one has actually been killed in the console war

We can change that *glances over at Ujeen*

[Eugine]

*glances at Ray*
Watcha going to do, Halo me to death? lolz.

Anyway, a good friend of mines told me to get a 360 so we can play online o.o
I told the guy hellz no lolz. Ah well, most of my friends are wanting the 360... SADNESS.

[Someone Else]

Geez Eugine. The 360 is a good console, even better when you have lots of friends who play it. The best thing about the 360 is Live, really.

[Ironsight]

You really are a fanboy. Who cares if it's an 'enemy' console. That shouldn't be an excuse to have a good time with your freinds.

[Toasty]

Come to think of it, the thing that makes the 360 better than the PS3 is Live. Almost everybody who has a 360 has live, and almost everybody who owns a current gen console, owns a game that has online multiplayer. The PS3's online isn't all that great from what I hear. At the very least, it's not as good as the 360's.

In any case, no single company has a sufficient lineup of great titles sitting behind their console. They're all lacking in several genre's. That's probably one reason why people would be inclined to buy more than one console.

[Caael]

I dont think anything can top the 360 online community. Sure you have 8 year old ***s who think they're cool because they have GTA, but nothing beats having a Mr Tasty race around an airport in GTA. I mean, you can do that on PS3 as well, but it's not the same because the community isnt as big or as good.

[Toasty]

If Nintendo gets their act together and upgrades their servers, they might be able to build an online community to rival the 360's. In size, at least. It'd have more 8 year olds than anyone else, most likely. XD

Though they'd still need to quit being so "Family Friendly" when it comes to online. They should set it up so that it asks for your age, and then puts you into one of three groups. 11 and under, 12-14, and 15+. Or four groups: 10 and under, 11-13, 14-17, and 18+.

That way they could be family friendly without makeing their online service retarded. Of course, that would require more servers. One cluster per group per country (3 or 4 clusters per country), instead of just one cluster per country.

Or they could even split them up by ESRB/etc. rating.

[Laharl]

i find it incredibly amusing that the DS is better online enabled than the Wii

[Zeypher]

Laharl, on May 26 2008, 02:25 AM, said:

i find it incredibly amusing that the DS is better online enabled than the Wii

I wasn't aware the DS has the VC, WW, and WCs.

[TheEnglishman]

I think he means that Wii games can lag whilst DS is generally fine.
Although DS isn't perfect either, it can take a long time to get 3 other people to play a Mario Kart match.

[Split Infinity]

Zeypher, on May 27 2008, 02:42 AM, said:

I wasn't aware the DS has the VC, WW, and WCs.

1) VC and WW have nothing to do with online play.
2) One code per console > One code per game.

[Drizzy Drake]

For RPG fanatics, PSP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. >.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any next(current?)gen system out atm.

[Caael]

Dipset, on May 27 2008, 12:21 AM, said:

For RPG fanatics, PSP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. >.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any next(current?)gen system out atm.

What are you on about?

Ironically, the 360 has the most RPG's at the moment; Mass Effect, Oblivion, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Final Fantasy something

I find it amusing.

[Drizzy Drake]

Um, what are YOU on about. When did FF come to 360?

FF 7: Crisis Core, Disgaea: Afternoon of Darkness, Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions, Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth, Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles, Ys The Ark of Napishtim, Brave Story: New Traveler, Tales Of The World: Radiant Mythology, Breath of Fire III, Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy 2, Dungeon Maker: Hunting Ground, Innocent Life: A Future Harvest Moon, Valhalla Knights, Jeanne D'arc.

And those are just the ones I have bought or downloaded. Want me to go on?

[Caael]

I said console, not handheld.

[Drizzy Drake]

Caael, on May 26 2008, 07:43 PM, said:

What are you on about?

Ironically, the 360 has the most RPG's at the moment; Mass Effect, Oblivion, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon, Final Fantasy something

I find it amusing.

I fail to see console ANYWHERE in there. Stop smoknig crack.

[Caael]

It was implied :o

[Drizzy Drake]

No it wasn't you shitball. I said system, you said "nope, 360 has more." STOP SMOKING DRUGS!!!

ANd the exact opesite can be said the DS. There is such a lack of good RPG's(whoever mentions Lunar gets fucking shot), Magical Starsign is starting to look good.

[Caael]

NEVER!

And Magical Starsign was promising, but my save got deleted so I had to start again :o Then I lost interest.

[Eugine]

Yep. I suggest everyone stop smoking drugs.

[Toasty]

Dipset, on May 26 2008, 05:06 PM, said:

No it wasn't you ****ball. I said system, you said "nope, 360 has more." STOP SMOKING DRUGS!!!

ANd the exact opesite can be said the DS. There is such a lack of good RPG's(whoever mentions Lunar gets ****ing shot), Magical Starsign is starting to look good.

Magical Starsign is good. And so is Contact. I'd highly recommend both.

The PSP probably has the most RPG's though. I won't deny it that. The DS hasn't had a good title (in any genre) come out for a while now (besides AW:DoR). It's starting to make me cry. D;

And no way in hell am I buying a PSP.

[Laharl]

Toasty, on May 27 2008, 02:38 AM, said:

And no way in hell am I buying a PSP.

your nintendo honour prevents this?

[My Best Wishes]

The DS has sucked for ages, I'm selling mine.

Skidz, try Luminous Arc, it kept me entertained for awhile.
Laharl, I've tempted to re-buy a PSP after I sold mine, mostly for Homebrew and ISO's though.

[Toasty]

Laharl, on May 26 2008, 07:28 PM, said:

your nintendo honour prevents this?

No, my semi-hatred of sony and lack of cash prevents it.

I'm not a Nintendo fanboy, I'm a Sony anti-fanboy. As of a week or so ago.

The PSP just isn't worth my money. If I can get one for $50, then maybe. 'Till then, I'm PSP-less.

[TheEnglishman]

Yes!
I've ordered a 360+GTA IV+Medal of Honour: Airbourne from Amazon. Hopefully it should come tomorrow. I was surprised my mum was so fine about GTA. She's usually pretty strict when it comes to age ratings, but she just said 'Yeah that's fine.'
Only downside is that I'll also have to pay more for Xbox Live because we've got a wireless router and the thing won't come for a few weeks.

[Caael]

Nice one Me111, if you get gold, add me. My gamertag is Caael. Please think of something original for yours :o

[Laharl]

Toasty, on May 27 2008, 07:20 AM, said:

I'm not a Nintendo fanboy, I'm a Sony anti-fanboy.

that's just as bad x_x

i really dont see why people pick sides

to quote Yahtzee

"people criticising something you like really shouldnt get to you, unless there is a niggling doubt at the back of your mind that its not as good as you think it is"

[Caael]

Yahtzee is a god.

[TheEnglishman]

Caael, on May 27 2008, 12:26 PM, said:

Nice one Me111, if you get gold, add me. My gamertag is Caael. Please think of something original for yours :o

Like I said, it'll be awhile until I can sort it out. But when I do, I'll put you on.

[Toasty]

Laharl, on May 27 2008, 04:27 AM, said:

that's just as bad x_x

i really dont see why people pick sides

to quote Yahtzee

"people criticising something you like really shouldnt get to you, unless there is a niggling doubt at the back of your mind that its not as good as you think it is"

I hate Sony and Sony fanboys, but that wouldn't stop me from buying the console. At least if the console was dirt cheap.

[TheEnglishman]

The 360 came this morning (the delivery guy woke me up). So far it is fun. I've only had about 30 minutes on GTA but it's great. As for MOH, it's ok but it's not as easy as previous games in the series. I'm not so sure if I like it or not.
The console itself is a beast. I mean it's pretty large, especially the power supply for it. It's a bit noisy as well, but it's definitely worth it. I'll order the wireless adapter thing in a few days so I can get on Live.

[Caael]

The power brick is massive.

Me111, you need to get Orange Box. It's an essential 360 purchase.

[TheEnglishman]

I will do at some point, but not anytime soon. I'm more concerned with getting Live sorted so that I can download some arcade games.

[Ironsight]

I dropped my Xbox...



...on my Wii.


Really.

[Someone Else]

Did they fight? Who won? This is serious here.

[Toasty]

I'd be more worried about the Xbox breaking. The Wii is indestructile!

[Zeypher]

Toasty, on May 30 2008, 11:55 PM, said:

I'd be more worried about the Xbox breaking. The Wii is indestructile!

Is that even a word o.0

[Someone Else]

I don't know about indestructile, but indestructible, maybe.

[Ironsight]

Xbox seems fine, but I don't play the Wii because the Fat-*** buys sh!ty games for it.

[Zeypher]

And who is this "Fat-***" you speak of?

~300

[TheEnglishman]

DarkSword, on May 31 2008, 06:00 AM, said:

I dropped my Xbox...
...on my Wii.
Really.

I nearly dropped the parcel that had the Xbox in when it was delivered to my house. Must be slippery or something.

[Split Infinity]

Undeniable proof that the RRoD is caused by user error.

[TheEnglishman]

^Lol.
Well I've had my Xbox for 3 days and achieved a mighty gamerscore of 235. Are you impressed?

[Zeypher]

If you can tell me what the point of a gamerscore is, then maybe.

[Split Infinity]

Each gamerpoint corresponds to one million sperm cells. :D

[TheEnglishman]

Zeypher, on May 31 2008, 09:09 AM, said:

If you can tell me what the point of a gamerscore is, then maybe.

It's just there to add incentive to a game.

[Caael]

Gamerscore is to add longetivity to games. Normally, once you've completed a game, you'll put it down and probably not come back to it, unless it has multiplayer. But with gamerscore, once you've completed a game, you can go back, get all those achievements to show you that you've got everything you can out of the game.

[Laharl]

but they dont actually do anything....

[Split Infinity]

They make your gamerscore increase. :/

[Laharl]

and possibly the size of your penis

[Caael]

They dont do anything, but they show you how much of the game you've experienced. Kind of. I mean, i have about 300 gamerpoints for overlord, because I didnt really enjoy it all that much and it was a bit boring, so I didnt really bother with achievements. But with Assassins Creed and Orange Box, I enjoyed those games a lot more and played them a lot more, so i have 700-800 on each.

[Laharl]

i know how much i've enjoyed a game myself without some lame gimmick telling me

[Split Infinity]

Think of it as an all-encompassing high score board.

[Caael]

Oh btw, for GTA they DO have a purpose. The first 10 people or something to get 1000/1000 gamerpoints on GTA IV got a real Key to the City.

[Laharl]

Split Infinity, on May 31 2008, 11:39 AM, said:

Think of it as an all-encompassing high score board.

aka a dick waving competition

@Caael; those first 10 were probably done in like 2 days by the nerdy master race, so its still pointless for 99.9999999999999% of players

[Caael]

Yeah I know I know :B

But still, Gamerscore is an alright concept, but there's so many kids using it as a virtual knob to wave around that makes it pointless.

[TheEnglishman]

I just think of it as a nice add on, not strictly necessary, but adding a little more value to the experience.

[Eugine]

They tried to make me buy an Xbox, I said 'no, no, no'
Yes I've been black but when I come back you'll know know know
I ain't got the time and if Sony thinks I'm fine
He's tried to make buy an Xbox, I won't, hell no, hell no, hell no!

(Had no idea on what to change the 2nd line to <.<)

Anyway, MGS4 reviews will be out next week. I hope the reviews are awesome...

[TheEnglishman]

Gosh, I knew Microsoft and Eugine didn't mix, but I didn't realise he felt buying an Xbox was that bad.
Apparently a review from Edge magazine gave MGS4 an 8. I wonder if it'll case the same stir as Gamespot did when they gave Twilight Princess 88%?

[Eugine]

IGN UK gave it a 9.9 o.o

[Laharl]

GTFO Eugine

Edge are always harsh, which makes them a lot more dependable than the other ****wits who call themselves game journalists

[Zeypher]

Yeah...I still don't see the point in gamerscore...it's like the challenges in Brawl xd.

I read this rumor on Joystiq that Konami is asking reviwers to omit things about MGS4 from their reviews >.> I wonder what that's about.

BTW, lol, MGS' producer is stupid. He thinks that the franchise started on the PS xd

[Caael]

Gamerscore, the way I see it, congratulates me for doing something particularly difficult, like completing a game on the hardest difficulty, or actually collecting all those random pieces of crap that dont actually do anything. It just gives you a sense of acomplishment, and although it's just a number, you feel like you've done all that crap for a reason

[Zeypher]

Subliminal messages?

[TheEnglishman]

Zeypher, on May 31 2008, 05:26 PM, said:

Yeah...I still don't see the point in gamerscore...it's like the challenges in Brawl xd.

I read this rumor on Joystiq that Konami is asking reviwers to omit things about MGS4 from their reviews >.> I wonder what that's about.

BTW, lol, MGS' producer is stupid. He thinks that the franchise started on the PS xd

1.) The gamerscore isn't really something essential, it's just a nice thing that adds to the overall experience of the Xbox. It's the naan bread of videogames.

2.) I think that's just so no spoilers are revealed about the game. That's what it sounded like on the IGN review. I doubt Konami payed anyone off to not reveal that the game is actually just cutscenes. :D

Let's hope the big guys in the games industry notice this.

[Zeypher]

The game is actually just cutescenes O.o

[Eugine]

It's not just cutscenes... It just features long cutscenes o.o

[Golden Legacy]

... all this over a game that has yet to be released? Amusing.

[Zeypher]

IMO, all the people in MGS4 look fake. They all look like they had plastic surgery.

[TheEnglishman]

They look more real to me than portly plumbers and space suit-wearing women Zeypher. :D

[Toasty]

Well, I'm sure that the hot chick's boobs are real.

....I hope. :D

SO ANYWAY. I'm feeling pretty stupid because my mom hid the Wii right under my nose. I'm not quite sure when she put it back, but it was on a shelf in the TV stand, off to the side. So now I have a Wii again. XD

[Eugine]

Without question Me111.

http://ps3.ign.com/a...7/877611p3.html
I just love to see the score. I need to play MGS4!

[Caael]

And IGN weren't paid huge amounts for that score at all.

[Eugine]

Exactly! MGS4 will pwn.

[Split Infinity]

Don't be silly, Caael.

Quote

Do advertisers affect how you review games?
No. Though IGN does have a broad range of advertisers that include publishers and developers of products we review, the lines between our editorial and advertising departments are thicker than the Incredible Hulk's biceps. Deals between interested parties and IGN that result in more favorable reviews or better scores are against our principles and policies in every way, and the editorial staff has no prior knowledge as to what companies are advertising on the site on any given day; the editors see advertisements at the same time as the readers. Nothing other than the editorial staff's own experience with a product itself will ever affect how we review it.

[Caael]

They're obviously going to say that.

[Split Infinity]

I personally don't think they get paid, they're probably just really excitable reviewers.

[Eugine]

IGN is the most credible gaming review site in the world. People don't gain credibility easily.

[Toasty]

And then once they do, they don't have tp worry about losing it as long as people never find proof that they've begun to take bribes. :D

They may not take money, but they let fanboys do the reviews at the least.

[Golden Legacy]

Caael, on May 31 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

And IGN weren't paid huge amounts for that score at all.

I don't see why you have to automatically assume that. Why can't we just accept that maybe some games deserve the reviews they get - or that perhaps for the person reviewing the game, it was a simply mind-blowing gaming experience for them? Just because you don't think a game deserves it doesn't mean there has to be some ulterior motive behind it.

That said, a numerical score is meaningless without reading and understanding the actual written review itself.

[Split Infinity]

The general point of a review is that if you're interested in a particular game, you read what like-minded people have to say, buy the game if you're still interested and form your own opinion. If you don't like a game in the first place then you don't have much of a right to criticize people's ratings of it.

[Caael]

A first impression for a game is so much better than the rest of the experience, except maybe the ending.

You know i'm right.

It's probably just the reviewer expecting so much from the game, and the first time he plays it, he doesnt even care about the bad things.

[Someone Else]

Caael, on May 31 2008, 04:50 PM, said:

A first impression for a game is so much better than the rest of the experience, except maybe the ending.

You know i'm right.

wat

Have you played an MGS game, Caael?

[Zeypher]

Caeel, the same can be said when IGN gave GTA4 a 10/10. Maybe you're mad that the 360 isn't getting MGS4?

[Someone Else]

Zeypher, on May 31 2008, 08:29 PM, said:

Maybe you're mad that the 360 isn't getting MGS4?

I was thinking the same thing, just didn't want to say it. XD

Oops, too late. MGS4 will rule.

[Zeypher]

MGS4 is more like a movie.

[Someone Else]

If MGS games are movies, then so is Final Fantasy.

[Toasty]

An AWESOME movie.

If MGS4 was a movie, it'd be AWESOME. That's because it practically is an AWESOME movie.

AWESOME.

Actually, I think MGS4 looks pretty good. Might be the only one reason to get a PS3.

[Someone Else]

I don't get why people think it's an interactive movie? Sure there's long cutscenes, but Final Fantasy is worse I think, and people like that.

[Golden Legacy]

Final Fantasy also has involving gameplay to match the grandeur of their stories, definitely up there as far as JRPGs go.
I can't speak for Metal Gear Solid as I've never played any of the games.

[Someone Else]

Metal Gear Solid 3 is one of the most involving console games I've ever played. Tons of ways to sneak around or dispatch enemies. The only thing was the controls, they had a bit of a learning curve...

[Caael]

Zeypher, on Jun 1 2008, 04:29 AM, said:

Caeel, the same can be said when IGN gave GTA4 a 10/10. Maybe you're mad that the 360 isn't getting MGS4?

I havent even seen any gameplay footage of MGS4 :D I know nothing about the game, but as soon as a game gets close to 10/10, I get suspicious. I've played GTA 4, and I was suspicious about the reviews then, but i've played the game and I think it deserves the score it gets.

[Laharl]

Eugine, on Jun 1 2008, 12:05 AM, said:

IGN is the most credible gaming review site in the world. People don't gain credibility easily.

because they tell the fantards what they want to hear, not because they are remotely skilled writers

[TheEnglishman]

To be honest, I only use reviews to form my own opinions. I never let it force me to not own a game, even if I hear a critical review from someone like Yahtzee.

[Someone Else]

I think a good idea is to read the review and ignore the numerical score.

[Zeypher]

This = fail

[Laharl]

Zeypher, on Jun 2 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

This = fail plagiarism

fixed

[Zeypher]

That too.
Oh and did you know there's a rumor M$ is making one too? I'll post the link if I can find it.

[Eugine]

Really great of Sony. Now they can show Nintendo how to create an ideal motion sensor controller.

[Laharl]

the same way they show ideal value for money?

[Zeypher]

Eugine, on Jun 2 2008, 04:12 PM, said:

Really great of Sony. Now they can show Nintendo how to create an ideal motion sensor controller.

Yes, because the SixAxis is AWESOME.

[Eugine]

It's not awesome only because Sony rushed to release it :P

[Zeypher]

Eugine, on Jun 2 2008, 05:12 PM, said:

It's not awesome only because Sony rushed to release it :P

Of course they did.

[Eugine]

So they didn't rush to release it?

[Zeypher]

If it was rushed, it doesn't justify it being a piece of crap.

[Eugine]

So... rushing a product don't give any justification for it being bad?

[Shikonaurum]

I don't know if anything really needs to be justified to be bad. It could be excused if it were bad, but as for being justified, I don't know.

Semantics, I know.

[Laharl]

Eugine, on Jun 3 2008, 12:54 AM, said:

So... rushing a product don't give any justification for it being bad?

thats the cause, not a reason to excuse its poor quality

doesnt help the Dualshocks cost more than a human lung

[Toasty]

Eugine, on Jun 2 2008, 04:12 PM, said:

It's not awesome only because Sony rushed to release it :P

And they rushed to release it because they only had a little bit of time between when Nintendo released the Wii at E3 and gave them the idea, and when Sony had to release the PS3 at E3.

Even if it was rushed, Sony's not capable of any better quality.

Case in point, my family's 5 disc DVD player that just failed after two years of very occaisional use (maybe once or twice a month, if that)

I might be able to see the other consoles adding motion sensing next generation if the Wii wins this race, but trying to copy them now obviously wasn't the right idea. Otherwise people wouldn't have been gagging at the thought of having the SIXAXIS instead of the Dual Shock 3. Hence why there's now a DS3, and sixaxis's are being phased out (at least that's what I've heard).

[Zeypher]

And Ujeen, according to that article, they had to use a tripod with the "PS3mote". Yeah, that's totally better than the Wiimote.

[Golden Legacy]

Unless Sony is willing to put behind a 200+ million advertising blitz behind such a product, it will fail and only serve to sever the PS3's image. Is it posing itself as the most technologically-capable system, or trying to be a central hub of different ideas and gaming innovations? It's invested too far in the former, and that image is what Sony has to work on for its system.

If, however, Sony is experimenting with different motion sensors to use in the next-generation successor, then that is a strategic and wise move. Wii has erased and redefined the boundaries of gaming, whether we favour it or not, and we can and should expect companies to follow suit and build on this next phase.

[Toasty]

Just navigating the menus is easier/funner on the Wii. XD

But Sony better not make a carbon copy of the Wiimote. That'd be incredibly gay. Anyone that has ever said that Sony doesn't copy ideas would have to stfu though, so that'd be nice.

Actually, I DO hope they copy Nintendo. That way, they can look like mindless idea stealers (like they are), and make a worse performing product to further make them look retarded, and all at the same time! It'd be wonderful!

[Zeypher]

Toasty, on Jun 2 2008, 09:56 PM, said:

Actually, I DO hope they copy Nintendo. That way, they can look like mindless idea stealers (like they are), and make a worse performing product to further make them look retarded, and all at the same time! It'd be wonderful!

But then we'll have another M$ :P

[Someone Else]

Nintendo should copy Sonly lols!

Oh wait...

Though I wouldn't mind if Nintendo adopted an online system similar to Live on a future console. That would be awesome!

[Golden Legacy]

I'm rather disappointed at the lopsided perspectives there.

Wind Dude, on Jun 3 2008, 12:04 AM, said:

Though I wouldn't mind if Nintendo adopted an online system similar to Live on a future console. That would be awesome!

So if Sony copies a company, it's considered bad play, but you would not "mind" if Nintendo does?

And also, I don't see the reason to hate on Sony's strategy. It's designed for the future, the long-haul. We're not seeing stellar results in terms of games because it's still early in the console's life - as production costs become more manageable, as the learning curve for developers dissipates, PS3 will inevitably be a far greater player than 360.

And as simple proof, early leaks from Microsoft showed that they were already well into development of the successor to 360, and they expect it to launch in the late 2011 window of time. That would be barely half of the PS3's lifespan and validity as a technologically-viable system in the market.

[Someone Else]

What about all these new internet browsers that have come out? Do you mind that they all browse the internet, feature things like tabbed browsing and favorites lists?

I consider Live the same sort of thing. PSN isn't exactly like Live either as far as I know. (albeit, worse)

[Zeypher]

You can't say adding a good online system is copying Live. If that were the case, then Live is copying the Dreamcast's online.

[Laharl]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/MilkmanTaro/1206590675826.jpg

you guys really arent making a lot of sense :/

[Split Infinity]

Motion sensing is no new concept, but the similarities in design are just painful. I really hope this is a joke.

[Caael]

You cant copy 'online gaming'. It's just an idea of people playing the same game together all over the world. Thats not copying. Hoever if you execute it the same way as another company, then that IS copying.

[Toasty]

As long as Sony's controller for the PS4 doesn't look like a Wiimote, I don't care if it has motion senseing.

And GL, the difference is that Sony usually does the copying as soon as they get the chance, instead of waiting until the next console generatio to impliment their ideas. Thus the ideas are blatant copies of the origional (albeit with a different skin), and are usually rushed and poorly made/thought out/implimented.

Nintendo already had downloadable content in the form of channels and the VC. It's content, that you download. Therefore, there was no copy unless it was copied from MS. Regardless, the next logical step that Nintendo took was to release new games in the new "Wii Ware" section. I don't think either MS or Sony has released brand new games for download only yet. Though I could be wrong. So I'm pretty sure Nintendo isn't copying someone on that.

And I agree with Caael. Online gaming isn't something you can copy. It's like trying to copy the idea for a car. It's too broad to say that it's any one person's idea, even if there was someone who thought of it first. Motion senseing might end up being the same way.

I'd like to see ninty improve their online service. But that would take a complete overhaul.

[Split Infinity]

Look at the design, Toasty.

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/05/Sony_Revolution2.jpg

In this order: Power button, D-Pad, round function button, row of three smaller buttons, two more round buttons, four lights indicating controller number. Notice anything?

In fact, I'm almost positive it's a fake now.

[Eugine]

Wow, you guys have no business sense. A company is kicking your behind with a new and innovative technology, and you wouldn't try to outdo them? This is exactly why Sony lost the MP3 market to Apple.
Sony way of achieving the motion sensing technology will be completely different from Nintendo's, and that honestly is not copying o.o

And besides the rushed sixaxis, what did Sony game division 'copy'?

[Laharl]

Eugine, on Jun 3 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

And besides the rushed sixaxis, what did Sony game division 'copy'?

not much.....only the analog cotroller and the vibration function

[Split Infinity]

Microsoft and Sega are guilty of that too, remember?

[Eugine]

Sony didn't copy the vibrational function really. They and Microsoft are paying Immersion for its use in their controller.

Also, who says Sony copied the analog stick, and if they did, why is Microsoft and Nintendo getting a free pass? Cuz reading the wiki, it says Atari had the first analog controller... Actually, if you read the Wiki, you'll see Sony started using the technology BEFORE Nintendo.

NEXT??? This Sony copy lies must be put to restttt.

[Split Infinity]

Wrong. The Playstation didn't even have analog when it was released, and the Nintendo 64 and its controller were already out by then.

[Eugine]

Uh, read the Wiki.

In 1995, Sony (realizing that analog technology could be useful) created a potentiometer-based analog joystick for use in Flight-Simulation games. The Sony Dual Analog FlightStick featured twin analog sticks and was used in games such as "Descent" to provide a much greater degree of freedom than the typical digital joysticks of the day.

In 1996 Nintendo introduced a modern analog stick called a control stick on their Nintendo 64 controller.

Sony doesn't automatically mean PlayStation o.o
Now, be quiet.

[Split Infinity]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5d/SonyFlightStick.jpg/180px-SonyFlightStick.jpg

Those are joysticks, silly.

[Eugine]

Point being, Sony started experimenting with the technology before Nintendo. Also, if you read the Wiki even further, you'll see this -

"During this same period, Sony was also creating a similar analog stick, based on the same potentiometer technology that was used in the larger Dual Analog Flightstick. Released in November 1996, the Sony Dual Analog controller featured three modes of analog (Flightstick, Full Analog and Analog-Off), and dual plastic concave thumbsticks, while Nintendo's controller only had a single stick."

Another point being, Sony did not copy.

[Split Infinity]

No, Nintendo developed the analog stick before Sony. Joypads had already been on the market for years.

[Eugine]

Wait, are you reading the timeline on the Wiki?
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Analog_stick

Come on, I'm just quoting stuff from that site.

1995 - Sony started experimenting with the analog technology, and released a product before Nintendo.
1996 - Nintendo released the analog stick
1996 - Sony, at the sametime as Nintendo were developing their own analog controller, but Nintendo released theirs first.
1997 - Sony released their final version, which was not based on Nintendo's controller, but their first 2 experiments.

Alright? Sony did NOT copy.

[Laharl]

http://digitalunrestcomic.com/strips/2006-05-09.jpg

[Split Infinity]

Eugine, on Jun 3 2008, 09:35 PM, said:

Wait, are you reading the timeline on the Wiki?
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Analog_stick

Come on, I'm just quoting stuff from that site.

1995 - Sony started experimenting with the analog technology, and released a product before Nintendo.
1996 - Nintendo released the analog stick
1996 - Sony, at the sametime as Nintendo were developing their own analog controller, but Nintendo released theirs first.
1997 - Sony released their final version, which was not based on Nintendo's controller, but their first 2 experiments.

Alright? Sony did NOT copy.

You don't listen very well.

Nintendo had analog sticks on their controllers first. That's a fact.

[Eugine]

The only thing someone can possibly say Sony copied was the sixaxis, and that, imo, they didn't. They imo were intimidated by Nintendo and released a product they were experimenting on.
I say this because the majority of the technology in the sixaxis were patented before the Wiimote was unveiled.

[Split Infinity]

For the record, where does it say that?

[Eugine]

Sorry, I missed your last post.

In my timeline, didn't I clearly indicate Nintendo released their analog sticks first? Just cuz a company released their product before another, it doesn't mean the other company copied them.

I said, and I'll say it again. Sony were working on an analog controller before Nintendo released theirs, Nintendo just happened to release theirs first. Secondly, Sony achieved their controller using different technology, and a different foundation from Nintendo.
Sony used their previous products (which were released before the 64) while Nintendo created a brand new product. As we can see, Sony Dualshock is very similar to previous Sony products rather than the 64 controller.

And I'll look for a link which proves Sony patented sixaxis technology before the Wiimote sometime.

[Split Infinity]

Sony weren't working on an analog stick, Eugine, just a dual-joystick gamepad. Consoles had been using joysticks since the Atari. Nintendo was the first to use the form of analog stick we have today; call them thumbsticks if you want.

I'm not saying Sony copied them, if that's what you're thinking.

[Eugine]

Well, I am not arguing who released what first. Nintendo clearly was first. I am just saying Sony did not copy Nintendo.

[Laharl]

seriously Eugine, why are you so anal about Sony?

its not like they send you a letter of thanks..... or even care what you think

[Eugine]

When I was into technology a lot, I planned to go work for a company like Sony somewhere. The love is still there, but the desire to work with them is no longer there xP.

Plus, I think they have done the most to the consumer electronics market, and some people just annoy me when they ignore Sony success, and focus only on their misteps. I will defend them until death.