[Caael]

Hell yeah, Argonians ftw!

But yeah, if they wont give you more information, the conversation topic shouldn't be greyed out, meaning they need persuasion.

[Drizzy Drake]

Merci beacoup.

[Ironsight]

Here I sit reading about you guys dowloading mods, when it finaly gets through my thick skull that I could be doing the same with Morrowind D:

[Legolastom]

Lulz.

Edit: Also WD what would you consider the main points of Oblivion that makes it a bad game compared to Morrowind?

[Legolastom]

Fukin bump

[Nosferatu]

DEAR GOD MAN! There is no need to bump something that is on the first page! Quit making dumbass posts.

[Caael]

Lol irony

[Nosferatu]

I know right? The only way to communicate with people of his intelligence is to get down to their level.

Either way I would recommened for anybody who uses the PC Oblivion to never put a lot of trust into a mod that changes anything in textures/ fire.

[Legolastom]

Shows how intelligent you are.

[Nosferatu]

I'd have to say from the fact that I have to try to be as stupid as you, no not really.

Half of your posts are spam and not worth taking the time to pay attention to. Please, get off this board if you have nothing to contribute.

[Legolastom]

Well maybe the few that you have seen because I dont think I have gotten in any conversation with you that isnt about me making short posts. And honestly I dont care what some internet tough guy thinks about my posts, so please get off t3h internets if you care that much.

[Someone Else]

Legolastom, on Jul 16 2008, 06:40 AM, said:

Also WD what would you consider the main points of Oblivion that makes it a bad game compared to Morrowind?

• Less skills, some taken out with no apparent reason. Unarmored skill was taken out and that was a good skill for mages who don't want to use armor so they can cast spells better. Also, why are axes and clubs considered to be the same in Oblivion? They're both used under the Blunt skill.
  
• Less weapons. No more crossbows or spear-like weapons or throwing-type weapons in Oblivion.
  
• A warrior can join the Mages guild fine. In Morrowind, you had to at least have some spell casting ability to join the Mages Guild and some fighting capability to join the Fighters Guild. Basically, if you played like a mage, you could be in the Mages Guild. Not so in Oblivion.
  
• Actually, there's less guilds in Oblivion.
  
• Cities are closed off into their own area. In Morrowind, cities are seamlessly connected to the rest of the world.
  
• And finally, the leveled system. That's a huge flaw here.

I think other than that Oblivion's pretty much better. The ideal TES game would sport Oblivion's combat, magic, and stealth system with a few tweaks, then everything else be just like Morrowind.

[Legolastom]

Yeah, after reading about Morrowind there seems to be a lot of things that were better in that than in Oblivion. But I would still keep Oblivion over Morrowind, merely because the "Radient AI" increases the roleplaying experience a lot.

But what was the AI like in Morrowind anyway?

[Someone Else]

You're the only one I know who actually thinks Radiant AI is good.

Morrowind AI is standard stuffs. Some people walk around. Some people stay in one spot. Actually, not much different than Oblivion...

[Legolastom]

Well it gives everyone a routine for the day right? Or am I thinking of something else. Just an AI system that gives the populance life, ya know?

[Someone Else]

I guess... most people were disappointed in it because they were promised a lot more. In the end, it's far from being a selling point for the game. It's pretty much just NPCs walking around somewhat smarter than they do in other games.

[Nosferatu]

Or shooting at each other with arrows over deer.

And so I begin 29. By the end of the summer, I shall achieve 30 restarts!
On another note, I'm glad I saw All Natural. Damn that's some nice weather/ effects.

[Caael]

What annoyed me about the AI is how empty characters would be while you're talking to them. Their faces change minimally, there is no hand movements and it's just really bland.

[Someone Else]

And... hot damn! They have a mod for that too!

http://tesnexus.com/...le.php?id=14280

Look!

http://tesnexus.com/...-1197767908.jpg
http://tesnexus.com/...-1197767908.jpg

Man, they have a mod to fix or at least tweak every conceivable thing about Oblivion. Awesome.

[Nosferatu]

For epic lulz, I will post this comic as shown to me by WD.

Damn it's good to understand all the jokes. Especially the two guards near Bruma.

[Someone Else]

Speaking of, did anybody else see those two guards fighting?

[Caael]

No, but I saw two forest patrol guards fighting each other. Because every time they shot an arrow at each other, they would just regenerate health so they would never die. It was entertaining by summoning things and making them stand in the crossfire.

[Someone Else]

That's awesome.

Nos and I swear that some of the guards (the ones near Bruma in particular) are scripted to fight each other.

YOU SHOULD HAVE PAID THE FINE!!

[Legolastom]

Wow, did you see that project he was working on, on his youtube page?

[Caael]

I wish I had the PC version, so I could go around giving people a bounty and watching all the guards chase them.

[Legolastom]

So you want the PC version so you can watch guards kill people and not for the amazing mods which add almost an entirely new game?

[Someone Else]

Well, which one? The Last Contemplor? Best heightmaps I've ever seen, for sure.

[Caael]

Thats not the sole reason I want the PC version, just one of the few thigns you can do.

[Someone Else]

Fun with PC Oblivion:

Go to that one place I forget. The highest point in Cyrodiil with the camp, north-east Cheydinal. You know it.

• Spawn a bunch of Bandits.
  
• Spawn a bunch of Marauders.
  
• Hell, spawn a bunch of Dremora.
  
• Make yourself invisible and put on God Mode.
  
• Use the free-flying came with tfc.
  
• If your framerate's high enough, get some popcorn and watch the fight! Any losers will fall of the mountain. =P

[Legolastom]

So Bravil... lets talk about that. Dirty Argonians, so many of them.

[Someone Else]

Bravil didn't really look that tough or dirty. I have a mod that fixes that.

[Legolastom]

Nice, but the Argonians are enough to bring that place down for me. Funny story actually I was walking around Bravil and I just saw a guard running so I followed him and he ran up to the outside of the skooma den, he then just randomly killed one of the people there. So I loaded a recent save (I save often) and just watched from a roof (With l33t ninja skillz) and the same thing happened again. Its the Argonians, they must be behind it!! *Shakes fist*

[Someone Else]

http://tesnexus.com/...le.php?id=16513

Also look at this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ppIgwF1M9po

[Legolastom]

LMAO at the failure suicide Troll.

[Someone Else]

I like how the last thing the guards say is "YOU SHOULD HAVE PAID THE FINE"

I hate how NPCs always face the death penalty for crimes. In TES5 they should just go to jail.

[Legolastom]

And allies dont attack each other if they hit each other by accident.

But having a good NPC jail system is ES5 would be awesome. Or even better, a punishment system e.g. Cuaght stealing once = (In that thing where people throw vegetables at you), caught stealing twice = Jail, Caught stealing for a third time = Jail (Longer sentance), caught stealing for the fourth time = jail (Longer stealing), caught stealing a fifth time = Public hanging (Shoot an arrow through the rope to save the person, they then become branded an outlaw).

If ES5 has that it would asplode.

[Nosferatu]

Wind Dude, on Jul 23 2008, 11:57 AM, said:

I like how the last thing the guards say is "YOU SHOULD HAVE PAID THE FINE"

I hate how NPCs always face the death penalty for crimes. In TES5 they should just go to jail.

I saw a mod for that the other day. I'm sure if you just search jail or prison in description or file name you should find it.

[Someone Else]

There's jail mods out there, but I don't know if they actually put NPCs in jail.

[Someone Else]

And well, what do you know.

http://www.tesnexus....le.php?id=15406

I told you guys, there's mods for everything.

[Ironsight]

I've never modified anything before, so could some one please explain to me how I'm supposed to put it into the game on a PC version?

[Split Infinity]

I don't have Oblivion, but I'm guessing it depends on which mods you want to use.

[Legolastom]

Well I read somewhere that it involves copying the file into some Oblivion folder. That doesnt help at all but I just wanted to trump split on my knowledge of Oblivion mods.

[Split Infinity]

Damn, you're clever...

You've been here long enough to realize that you have to make posts longer than five words here. |:

-gsninja

[Ironsight]

I'm playing Morrowind, so it might be different.

[Someone Else]

Is it a .rar file? This is usually what you'll have to do:

Open up the .rar file, if you see folders with names like Meshes, Textures, then extract everything to the Data folder. (most likely in C:\Program Files\Morrowind\Data Files)
If you see a folder that just says "Data Files" then extract to the Morrowind folder.

Then, when you open up Morrowind, instead of going straight to Play click on "Data Files" and put a check next to the name of your mod.

[Nosferatu]

I just spotted a new mod that adds Hammerfell. But you have to join another forum to download it. That's almost as bad as releasing a mod but blocking people from trying it.

[Split Infinity]

What's the forum?

[Nosferatu]

Don't know. Don't care. If you want to know, go check the latest files at TESNexus.

Edit: Hey WD, the Unofficial Shivering Isles patch doesn't conflict with anything I have.

[Ironsight]

Wind Dude, on Jul 26 2008, 10:23 AM, said:

Is it a .rar file? This is usually what you'll have to do:

Open up the .rar file, if you see folders with names like Meshes, Textures, then extract everything to the Data folder. (most likely in C:\Program Files\Morrowind\Data Files)
If you see a folder that just says "Data Files" then extract to the Morrowind folder.

Then, when you open up Morrowind, instead of going straight to Play click on "Data Files" and put a check next to the name of your mod.

Sorry fro not being up to date on the terms, but what does extract mean i this case? I heard I'd need a special program, like WinZip or something.

[Split Infinity]

...you're really not very savvy, are you?

Winzip can extract files from archives for you, but if it's a .zip archive, you can just open it using Explorer. In other words, you should be able to double-click it like a folder.

If it's a .rar, then yeah, you'll need Winzip.

[Ironsight]

Split Infinity, on Jul 27 2008, 03:41 AM, said:

...you're really not very savvy, are you?

Nope.

[Someone Else]

Split Infinity, on Jul 27 2008, 03:41 AM, said:

...you're really not very savvy, are you?

Winzip can extract files from archives for you, but if it's a .zip archive, you can just open it using Explorer. In other words, you should be able to double-click it like a folder.

If it's a .rar, then yeah, you'll need Winzip.

No, don't do that. Get WinRAR instead here: http://www.rarsoft.com/

Despite what it says, you don't have to pay for it, you can get a free version that works fine for everything I want to do.

[Nosferatu]

I use 7Zip. Opens both types so I never have to worry about it.

[Someone Else]

Just for Caael:

Huuuge ass screenshot so I'm putting it in as a link

Not as crowded as I'd actually like it to be it's progress. I'll see if I can mod the ESP to let more crowds in.

[Toasty]

7Zip is much better than WinRAR. Better compression ratios, plus, it's got all the features that the non-free WinRAR version has.

That, and it supports more archive filetypes, I believe.

[Caael]

Wind Dude, on Jul 28 2008, 07:44 AM, said:

Just for Caael:

Huuuge ass screenshot so I'm putting it in as a link

Not as crowded as I'd actually like it to be it's progress. I'll see if I can mod the ESP to let more crowds in.

:o

I suppose it's wishful thinking to have cities like GTA, but even just a few more unnamed NPCs who you cant talk to would add to it.

[Nosferatu]

Dude. I found the best Arena mod ever. It puts you in the stands, AND other NPCs. He got lazy and cloned some existing ones, but that can be easily fixed in the CS.

[Joek2]

Is it possible to kill the entire Oblivion population? Except for the important characters, since they just come back to life after a few seconds.

Like just have the citys bare and empty?

[Someone Else]

Yes. Guards respawn though.

[Joek2]

Nawwwwwccce. I might just try that.

[Toasty]

My friend did that I think. Or it might have been Fable. He's got both.

Anyway, a .zip folder can be extracted by right clicking it and going down to "Extract."

[Nosferatu]

Toasty, on Jul 31 2008, 10:55 PM, said:

My friend did that I think. Or it might have been Fable. He's got both.

Anyway, a .zip folder can be extracted by right clicking it and going down to "Extract."

Or just opening it and dragging the stuff where you want it.

[Toasty]

Well if there's a lot of files in it, extracitng it puts them in a nother, uncompressed, folder.

[Nosferatu]

Dead topic is dead.

Anyway, this mod looks interesting. If works as a mod by itself I'm sold.

[Nosferatu]

Dead topic is dead. Again.

Rare good mod sited and being played. Heart of the Dead. Quests with riddles are fun.

[Ironsight]

Lost interest in Morrowind a while ago. Even though I got them all working in the end, it played hell with my computer and wasn't as entertaining as I had thought.

[Split Infinity]

For someone living in the year 2006, is this game still worth getting?

[Caael]

Yes.

[Mycarayne]

Definitley.

If ya don't get at least 200 hours out of it your not doing it right.

[Split Infinity]

We're talking about me here. I'd probably end up stretching that to about 500.

[Mycarayne]

Well buy it then.

Well worth the cash.

[Someone Else]

http://www.gametrail...ies/202645.html

Wow.

Bethesda please stop using Gamebryo for everything.

[Nosferatu]

Bethesda, remake Oblivion with the CryEngine. Do it.

[Saturos S.]

Holy crap, that was awesome.

So... two more years to Elder Scrolls V? Let's just hope some wonderful person with a lot of spare time remakes it in the mean time.

[Someone Else]

HD version, looks way better. http://www.gametrail...ies/203274.html

Elder Scrolls V I'm hoping Bethesda quits lying to themselves and ditches level scaling entirely.

[Legolastom]

Well the Fallout 3 version was good IMO.

[Nosferatu]

I came. No, seriously. This **** is awesome.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/images/21546-3-1229954001.jpg

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/images/21546-1-1229954001.jpg

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/images/21546-2-1229954001.jpg

[Caael]

I want Oblivion on PC purely for mods.

[Saturos S.]

Not a big fan of the weapon mods. Like the dungeon/npc mods better and the occasional house mod.

[Legolastom]

Meh I just think that if im gonna be buying Elder scrolls for the PC there are better open world games I can be "Investing" my time in.

[Kuchiyose]

Is the game worth buying?

[Moonear]

Yes, it was really fun for the short time that I played it.

[Saturos S.]

It's got loads of content, plus there are loads of patches to give even more content.

...and it's fun. So yeah, it's probably my most worthwhile game.

[Legolastom]

You people digust me this thread is FOUR PAGES behind.

This should also just be called the Elder scrolls thread so there is no need for multiple ones.

Now for what I want to say, have been collecting books now in my second 100 hour character. Doing the mages guild quests so I can gain acess to the Arcane university for all the books, and in the next game they better add the Snow prince and his armour. Also LOL at Pel Lal.

Also ost all your roleplaying stories and **** here I LOVE ELDER SCROLLS.

[Caael]

Lulz you have nothing else to play.

PC version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Console version. Ruined Tails Tale alone was a far better role playing experience than any of the roleplays I did on the console version.

[Drizzy Drake]

Imma get Morrowind, because **** playin Oblivion again. too many hours.

[Caael]

Get the Morroblivion mod. Play through morrowind, but with better graphics!

[Drizzy Drake]

Oh word son. will do. when i get the new comp ima come in here with all sorts of mod questions xD

[Caael]

Lulz, as Nos passed the torch to me, I will pass it to you :)

[Drizzy Drake]

Much thanks brah.

[Caael]

Which one you gonna get, the steam version or disk one? Because they're quite different when it comes to installing mods.

[Legolastom]

Are they how divrent?

Also are there any ship mods?

[Caael]

Yeah quite a lot of pirate mods out there, but none I've found where you can actually drive a ship.

They're different in the way that data files are layed out, so it makes it more difficult to install mods manually in the steam version.

[Someone Else]

Ey Ima modder too. Caael might know the more recent ones better though, but I know a few really cool older mods that are unknown/underappreciated

[Legolastom]

Is Morrowind on steam? I am interested in getting that.

[Caael]

Yeah you can get the Elder Scrolls complete pack or somethingfor £30, with Oblivion, all its expansions and morrowind.

Someone Else, on Jul 15 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

Ey Ima modder too. Caael might know the more recent ones better though, but I know a few really cool older mods that are unknown/underappreciated

Do tell, I need some interesting new ones. All I really have are ones that edit things in the game already (Better Cities, Natural Environments etc) and dont really add anything, so yeah, shoot



Also, for the lulz

http://www.landoverb...ead.php?t=24063

Quote

Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM
Greetings brothers and sisters in Christ,

It has come to my attention that the Satanic Cults which plague this country are using video games yet again as a tool to recruit young, impressionable children into their world of sin and rebellion against Our One True Lord Jesus Christ. I visited my niece in Los Angeles the other day, and she is the type of false Christian that thinks you can pick and choose what you want from the Bible like it's the Salad Bar at Sizzler. It turns out her teenage son is playing a game on his computer called Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.


After watching him play this game for an hour, I was appalled, no, downright shocked at what the content of this game provides. Here is a little summary of what I witnessed with very eyes...

* It is a "Role-Playing Game" for the computer, very similar to the well-known Satanic Dungeons & Dragons.
* You can pick various "races" for your character, including several demonic looking characters called "elves". With their pointed ears and eerie non-human appearances, it allows children to pretend they are a demon themselves.
* The game is chockful of blasphemous magic and witchcraft. The player is able to perform a variety of spells such as hurling fire from one's hands, turning oneself invisible, forcing others' against their will to obey and listen to the character, and conjuring up demons from Hell to fight for the player. In fact, magic and witchcraft are a major part of the game and it's difficult to play the game without resorting to these Satanic means.
* The game makes no mention of God or Jesus Christ, instead it pushes a mythology of "Nine gods". You can go to heretical chapels and actually pray to these gods in this game and they heal you!
* There is a realm called "Oblivion" which is definitely just Hell with a different name. You are required to go through this Hell environment during the game.
* Thieving and stealing are promoted in the game. You are allowed to pickpocket other people and steal possessions. One questline of the game actually REWARDS the player for this sinful behavior!
* You can do quests for these demons called "Daedra". By doing these quests, these demons reward you. This tells our children that by serving demons they will get rewarded.
* Alcohol in the form of beer, wine, and brandy is available to the player and can be drunk.
* This game promotes astrology. Upon creating a character, you are forced to choose a "birthsign". More occult ideas pushed upon the impressionable player.
* There are vampires in the game and a few of them are portrayed as "good guys".

This is just what I gathered watching my grandnephew play this game, and there's no telling what more is embedded in this despicable video game. Personally, I've seen enough! There is so much witchcraft, magic, satanism, polytheism, and blasphemy in this game, it could easily turn a good Christian child away from God. We all know the effects of video games.

It is well-understood that playing that demon-worshipping game "Doom" caused those two kids, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris to do the Columbine shootings. Yet, a game like Doom only had a handful what Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion offers. What kind of unimaginable crimes will come out of impressionable teenagers playing this game? Or, even there is no violent effects from it, how many children will be led away from Jesus Christ and accept Satanism as their religion?

This video game needs to be taken off the shelves of every store right now. It is harmful and a cancer on society. Every parent out there reading this needs to call up their local store which sells this vile Satanic propoganda tool and demand this "game" be banned. You owe it to yourself as a Christian, and most importantly....you owe it to your child.

Thank you and God Bless,

Yours in Christ,
Rev. Jim Osborne

[Drizzy Drake]

WORD, ill buy that ES pack. because **** steam if its harder to modxD

[Caael]

Well no the pack is on steam. Plus it's not harder to mod if you use OMM. I'll guide yuo trhough it, dw its gon be k.

[Drizzy Drake]

oh, well, steam it is i guess. as long as you dont fail at it, word.

[Legolastom]

Seriously Tim dont please dont bring Christianity into this thread, its liek an Animal pissing on the Oblivion box, it doesnt know what its doing.

But yeah might buy that bundle then, I presume it comes with the two Morrowwind expansions as well?

[Caael]

Most likely.

And btw, that whole article is a troll. That website is a fake church being satirical about extreme catholicism, so dont take it seriously.

But yeah, I'll make an essential mod list and a tutorial of how to install them for you guys at some point.

[Legolastom]

http://www.thedarkbr...x/awakening.php

And Tim I wouldnt be surprised if it was real Christians.

Tim may I also suggest you go to the links section of UESP, would be very useful for you.

"The Elder Scrolls was using Blizzard orcs before Blizzard was."

BAM you ****ing Blizzard person how the **** do you like that little TIBIT of information!

[Caael]

Someone Else, on Jul 15 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

Ey Ima modder too. Caael might know the more recent ones better though, but I know a few really cool older mods that are unknown/underappreciated

Do tell, I need some interesting new ones. All I really have are ones that edit things in the game already (Better Cities, Natural Environments etc) and dont really add anything, so yeah, shoot


*Angel face*

[Nosferatu]

Caael, on Jul 16 2009, 07:07 PM, said:

Do tell, I need some interesting new ones. All I really have are ones that edit things in the game already (Better Cities, Natural Environments etc) and dont really add anything, so yeah, shoot
*Angel face*

I still say All Natural > NE, mother ****ah.

[Someone Else]

Sorry Tom, but

Quote

LOL, are you kidding?!
Complaining about the 'pervers' word "plug-in"!!
Then I need to tell you that millions of people around the world are perverse, because this a widely know term in the IT sector.

Quote

"IT"? What is that? Something like S&M? B&D? M4M? One of those cryptic initials that deviants use as a code to talk to each other about perversions?

****in LOL. If that's satire these guys are great. If it's real well...

Anyway I'll have to look through my downloads folder when I'm back home, Caael.

But one mod that I liked which comes to mind is an extremely simple mod that's only cosmetic, called "Get Wet." Not what it sounds like. With this mod enabled, when you jump in water or are outside in the rain, it applies a visual effect to the PC and he'll look like he or she is wet, complete with a glossy skin and clothing effect and water droplets moving down the model and texture.

[Nosferatu]

Someone Else, on Jul 16 2009, 07:35 PM, said:

Sorry Tom, but
****in LOL. If that's satire these guys are great. If it's real well...

Anyway I'll have to look through my downloads folder when I'm back home, Caael.

But one mod that I liked which comes to mind is an extremely simple mod that's only cosmetic, called "Get Wet." Not what it sounds like. With this mod enabled, when you jump in water or are outside in the rain, it applies a visual effect to the PC and he'll look like he or she is wet, complete with a glossy skin and clothing effect and water droplets moving down the model and texture.

WD makes all the girls wet.

[Legolastom]

For some reason I just cant stay in the shivering isles for long before wanting to go the Cyrodil.

[Someone Else]

Serious? I could spend days and days in Shivering Isles alone. I often do that when winter comes in Cyrodiil because winters in PC Oblivion with the best weather mods is brutal. Stay there till spring comes. =3

Right Nos?

[Nosferatu]

Hells yea.

[Caael]

WD, whats a mod that adds more monsters to the wilderness and just makes combat in general harder? I tried Fransescos, but it crashed my game every time and Nos said the same happened with him. I've been looking into OOO but apparantly it conflicts with every ****in' mod ever.

[Legolastom]

Make it harder, I find combat very hard on fuking normal in Oblivion.

[Caael]

That's because you're ****. I dont mean just make enemies have more health, I mean for them to like adapt to what I'm doign. Deadly Reflex is a good start, with dodges and criticals, but I need moooar. I'd use uneccessary violence but it requires so many additional plugins for OBSE it's not even worth it, I cant get it working regardless.

Which is a shame, i'd have loved to dual wield and throw any weapon.

[Legolastom]

It isnt like Fallout where combat makes sense but w/e

Also has anyone here tried modding?

[Caael]

Yes...anybody with the PC version will have no doubt modded it Thomas.

[Legolastom]

Making mods.

This is the mod with the lich I was talkin about http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View...ail&id=2000

Edit: Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmNXKY-xZM4...feature=related

[Caael]

O rite. Well I'm gonna try make a weapon soon for it. I've edited extremely basic stuff in the construction set and I'm hoping I get better aquainted with it.


In other news, Bethesda recently patented the name 'Skyrim' so I'm guessing thats where the next game will be.

[Someone Else]

Old news @ Skyrim, I thought I made a topic about it somewhere. Hopefully Bethesda works on animations and **** so people actually look like they're knee-deep in snow and acting cold and stuff. In related news, Gamebryo now supports Euphoria which was used in GTA IV and Force Unleashed. I'll get a link later. If Bethesda continues to use Gamebryo hopefully they'll use that. Cause... really Bethesda... frikkin Mario 64 has better looking animation than you guys...

Caael, on Jul 19 2009, 07:17 AM, said:

WD, whats a mod that adds more monsters to the wilderness and just makes combat in general harder? I tried Fransescos, but it crashed my game every time and Nos said the same happened with him. I've been looking into OOO but apparantly it conflicts with every ****in' mod ever.

Try Martigen's (Martigern? Martigren? Something like that) Monster Mod. It doesn't change the behavior of enemies like Deady Reflex does, but it adds a lot more unique and tougher monsters than vanilla Oblivion and isn't a total overhaul mod like Francesco and Oscuro are. Therefore it's less likely to have conflicts and incompatibility.

Also, do you know about the load order of your mods? The order in which your mods are loaded has a direct correlation to how well your game runs. Think of your mods as building blocks all being stacked vertically. The one on top overlaps the one underneath it, the one on top of that, so on and so forth. When mods have conflicts the game uses this order to determine who "wins" so to speak. In general you want smaller mods that change less things to be on "top" of the bigger mods.

[Caael]

Someone Else, on Jul 20 2009, 11:56 PM, said:

Old news @ Skyrim, I thought I made a topic about it somewhere. Hopefully Bethesda works on animations and **** so people actually look like they're knee-deep in snow and acting cold and stuff. In related news, Gamebryo now supports Euphoria which was used in GTA IV and Force Unleashed. I'll get a link later. If Bethesda continues to use Gamebryo hopefully they'll use that. Cause... really Bethesda... frikkin Mario 64 has better looking animation than you guys...

Euphoria? Eh, F3 slightly improved on animations with a few idles during conversations but it was still just standing there.

Someone Else, on Jul 20 2009, 11:56 PM, said:

Try Martigen's (Martigern? Martigren? Something like that) Monster Mod. It doesn't change the behavior of enemies like Deady Reflex does, but it adds a lot more unique and tougher monsters than vanilla Oblivion and isn't a total overhaul mod like Francesco and Oscuro are. Therefore it's less likely to have conflicts and incompatibility.

Alright, I'll look into that. I need far more variety in the wilderness than 'bear, wolf, imp'.

Someone Else, on Jul 20 2009, 11:56 PM, said:

Also, do you know about the load order of your mods? The order in which your mods are loaded has a direct correlation to how well your game runs. Think of your mods as building blocks all being stacked vertically. The one on top overlaps the one underneath it, the one on top of that, so on and so forth. When mods have conflicts the game uses this order to determine who "wins" so to speak. In general you want smaller mods that change less things to be on "top" of the bigger mods.

I know how it works, but I dont know which of my mods should go where. The only one that I know HAS to be specifically placed is better cities, which is right below Oblivion.esm but the rest are just in the order I activated them.

I'll post a screeny of my mods.

Click me, mofo's

[Someone Else]

http://www.naturalmo...om/euphoria.htm

Remember how in GTA IV if you run over a dude but don't kill them they don't just go limp like Saints Row or similar games? Euphoria makes the character react realistically instead of going into a rag doll mode. And other stuffs too.

http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2009/01/0...-naturalmotion/

And yeah Martigen's Monster Mod (MMM) is really good for fighting more than bears and stuff. It's also made to work alongside Fran's or OOO so if you ever decide to re-build your Oblivion mod list to be compatible with one of those two you should be good.

Personally I just can't play Oblivion without Fran's or OOO. Stupid levelling and boring items in vanilla Oblivion.

[Caael]

I'll re-organise my mod list soon in an attempt to get Frans mods working. Half of my mods are crap and barely change anything anyway.

[Someone Else]

Yeah it looks like you need to do a clean of mods you don't really use. I'll put up a list of mods that I can't play Oblivion without in a sec.

[Caael]

Alright, and I'll do the same with my screenshot by circling the ones I need.http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3120/obmm.png

[Someone Else]

Someone Else's List of Mods

Must-Have Mods:
Mods that I think you absolutely MUST have. If your Oblivion mod list doesn't like these guys, then fix it so that it does. You'll thank me later. This list of mods should be able to work perfectly with each other with little to no conflicts. Keep in mind quest-mods, item mods, and location mods aren't listed as must-have on principle; the content of mods like those are sometimes one-play wonders you won't use again upon completion, or simply because they're skippable, and not must-have! Listed in no particular order.

• Midas Magic Spells of Aurum
  
• Misc Tracker
  • I really have to stress this, GET THIS ONE. It's very simple and I guarantee it won't conflict with anything so go for it.
  
  
• Stealth Overhaul
  
• Denock Arrow
  • If you get Thieves Arsenal you don't need this one.

• Ren's Guard Overhaul
  
• Action Ragdolls
  
• Lockpicks
  
• Extended Death Camera
  
• Keychain
  
  
• I swear Bethesda copied this very mod in Fallout 3. Anyway, if you only get two mods for Oblivion from this list, get this one and Misc Tracker.

Personality Idles

• Also take a look at this version. I'm not sure about the difference or if they're dependant on each other.

Francesco's Leveled Creatures and Items OR Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul

• Fran's and OOO are really two different flavors of the same sort of thing. Both mods seek to remove the levelling that vanilla Oblivion had where items and enemies were "matched" to the player's level, creating a more static world like Morrowind and previous Elder Scroll's games. But it doesn't just end there, these mods add new enemies (some of them unique like boss fights) new items, and even new locations. Fran's adds and changes less things than Oscuro does, so is therefore less likely to have conflicts. OOO adds more content, TONS of it, but it's also very hard and is notorious for having major conflicts and incompatibilies. I personally pick Fran's, but do your own research and pick the one for you.

Cool Mods
These are mods that are very worth looking into, but I'm not listing as must-have because A) there are tastes, and these mods may have many similarities to other mods that you might prefer over what I'm listing and/or B) they're known to have too many conflicts or incompatibilities with other, more popular mods to be worth using. The mods in this list may have conflicts with each other, so don't get all of them. They might also conflict with the must-have mods, most notably OOO.

• All Natural
  • Beware of an FPS hit if your computer is older.
  
  
• Thieves Arsenal
  • Available for download, but has not been updated for some time. In my experience it's a little glitchy, but I'm sure it was mostly due to conflicts with my other mods.
  
  
• Better Cities
  • Beware of an FPS hit.
  
  
• The Lost Spires
  
• Let the People Drink
  
• Get Wet
  
• Almost Everything Visible When Distant
  
• Improved LOD Textures (Part 1 and Part 2)
  • Beware of an FPS hit. There's a lot of alternative mods that are like this one, some that might be better, some that might be a little lower rez if you need it.
  
  
• Imperial Furniture
  
• Decorator Assistant
  
• The Elder Council

Long list is long, but I'm reinstalling Oblivion anyway so I wanted to look and refresh my memory of all the mods that I used and still want.

That's all for now, might expand this in the future. On principle I will now say, get OBSE if you don't have it, though I'm sure you do. Many mods require it now. Also get and know the utilities out there. Get OBMM, and get WryeBash. WryeBash is useful for quite literally saving your character and his save file's life when you're changing mods around.

[Caael]

Thanks for that WD, I can tell you've put a lot of effort into it, cheers. Alright, well, when I get the chance (tomorrow morning), I'll download the ones on that list I dont have, fire 'er up on a new file and see how it goes. I really do want Frans to work because it looked so awesome.

I've tried the keyring mod before, but even with OBSE it didn't work. Though I'll try again soon after re-organising all my mods.

The improved everything distant one looks good though, seeing as despite the fact that my computer runs it on highest settings with no FPS drop at all, I'm still getting grass popping up 10 feet infront of me while walking, and the pop-ups are at maximum distance.

But yeah, most of them I dont have so I'll download them. I've already looked at most of them.

Btw WD, why is Darnified UI not on there? :) It's without a doubt, the most useful mod I have. The crap, huge clunky old interface is gone and replaced by a smooth, smaller, sleek version. Being able to fit 50 spells on screen at once as opposed to 5 ftw.

You looked into the Unique Landscape mods WD? If there's a single non-gameplay/player altering mod I'd recommend, it'd be the Unique Landscape compilation mod. Adds far, far more variety into the dull countryside of Cyrodiil. Aside from Bruma, pretty much the whole game is just the same green trees in the same green landscape. This mixes it up by adding new locales to patches of just green.

For example, the rolling hills are added east of the imperial city, adding a whole massive stretch of farm land with corn blowing in the wind, animals in enclosures etc.

Another in the UL is the dark forest, which, as the name suggests, adds a dark forest south of the IC where there's a ruined village, satanic shrines and even a poisonous river.

Anybody who doesnt already have this mod, I would recommend it tenfold. Barely conflicts with anything, unless you already have locale mods in those locations and it really adds to the depth and diversity of the wilderness.

[Nosferatu]

Someone Else, on Jul 20 2009, 08:15 PM, said:

tl;dr mods

All Natural has gotten a **** load easier to set up now. I think it's like an .esm and maybe one other .esp now.

[Someone Else]

For realsies? I'll check that out, thanks.

And I've never used Darnified though I've heard the name. I'll try it.

Yeah there's a lot of mods I didn't put in because I felt, "eh, it's got enough stuff in it now so I'll just post it before maybe Caael leaves". I've used Unique Landscapes but it conflicted with some stuff so I was like **** it, but since I'm reinstalling I'll make the mod list with UL in mind since I've heard so many good things about it.

Nos is right, All Natural is very easy to install now. It's HUGE though.

[Caael]

I'll do a similar list to yours in a minute WD, for ****s n giggles.

[Caael]

Caael's List of Mods

Must-Have Mods:
Mods that I think you absolutely MUST have. If your Oblivion mod list doesn't like these guys, then fix it so that it does. You'll thank me later. This list of mods should be able to work perfectly with each other with little to no conflicts. Keep in mind quest-mods, item mods, and location mods aren't listed as must-have on principle; the content of mods like those are sometimes one-play wonders you won't use again upon completion, or simply because they're skippable, and not must-have! Listed in no particular order.

• Darnified

Completely streamlines the user interface, making everything smoother, more space on screen and just easier in general. Makes the menus so much better to use as far more things fit on screen at once. And it zooms out the map, which alone is worth the download.

• <a href="http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?id=41&view=Articles.Detail" target="_blank">Elven Cartographers</a>

Adds some much needed colour to the drab standard map. Going back to the normal map after using this feels wrong.

• Deadly Reflex

Adds some new moves to combat, including criticals, better sneak attacks and mutilation. Improves the enemy AI as well, making them adapt to your tactics. Must have for any melee fighter. Well, must have for anybody really as the dodges alone add a whole new element of combat.

• Better Cities

I dont know about you, but I always found that the cities in Vanilla oblivion were lacking life and felt extremely shallow and boring. No more! Better cities makes cities into actual cities. Adds loads more characters and buildings into cities, and improves the surrounding area as well. For example, the small moat around Bravil is given a slum-like section that just adds immersion. It's worth the potential loss of FPS because this mod is just essential for anybody. The only problem is that it may conflict with some quests.

• Unique Landscapes

Adds far, far more variety into the dull countryside of Cyrodiil. Aside from Bruma, pretty much the whole game is just the same green trees in the same green landscape. This mixes it up by adding new locales to patches of just green. Must have for anybody, barely conflicts with anything.

Cool Mods
These are mods that are very worth looking into, but I'm not listing as must-have because 1) there are tastes, and these mods may have many similarities to other mods that you might prefer over what I'm listing and/or 2) they're known to have too many conflicts or incompatibilities with other, more popular mods to be worth using. The mods in this list may have conflicts with each other, so don't get all of them. They might also conflict with the must-have mods, most notably OOO.

• Alternative Start By Ship

Useful for those who like to have many characters, if you find that going through the prison sewers at the start of the game is long and drawn out, or if you're roleplaying and a criminal doesn't suit your character, then this mod is useful. There's more customization options here than you had in prison, such as social class and job.

• DMC Stylish

Replaces the stale, static combat moves with much more interesting ones. Maybe a tad too flamboyant for some characters, but for me at least its more interesting than the ridiculously boring default ones.

• Illumination

This mod is a nice touch, that just adds lights to windows at night, meaning that cities dont just die come nightfall. Also helpful if like me, you have a really dark monitor as it lights up towns quite a bit and helps finding your way around at night.

• Undercover

Simple mod, basically if you wear a factions armour, they wont attack you. So if you lure an imperial guard into a back alley and kill him, wear his armour and they wont suspect a thing. Helps on guild quests as well, haha.


I'd also recommend Oblivion Mod Manager for any new to adding mods, as it simplifies the whole process a LOT, making it so much easier to install and keep track of mods.

[Someone Else]

I used BT mod instead of Darnified for my interphase, but Darnified seems better with more customization.

And All Natural uses Illumination so if you decide to get All Natural, uninstall Illumination first.

I used Deadly Reflex but it conflicted with too much stuff. =( I mostly used the surprise punches and shield bashing anyway.

[Caael]

But Deadly Reflex has cutting off of heads and hands.But, time to re-organise these ***** mods of mine =D


K, even on just Vanilla Oblivion, no other mods at all, as soon as an enemy comes into sight the game crashes with Fransescos, so I'm guessing thats a no.

[Legolastom]

The madness claymore is beastly.

[Caael]

Lol vanilla weapons.

[Nosferatu]

Caael, on Jul 21 2009, 03:10 AM, said:

Lol vanilla weapons.

[Legolastom]

Caael, on Jul 21 2009, 11:10 AM, said:

Lol vanilla weapons.

[Someone Else]

Oy, that's a Shivering Isles weapon and only the player can get it. Not vanilla exactly.

[Legolastom]

Good news: Got Morrowind.

Bad news: Need online update to play.

[Caael]

Why the **** have you got Morrowind and not PC oblivion?

[Someone Else]

Getting the whole set of Unique Landscapes breaks my Oblivion so it won't even get past the initial loading screen. So, what are everybody's favorite parts of UL? I can't have all of them.

[Caael]

Dark Forest, Rolling Hills, Entius Gorge, Colovian Highlands, Fallen Leaf Everglade and The Heath: Wetland are the ones I'd say you should have.

[Someone Else]

I ended up being able to use Ancient Yews, Arrius Creek, Blackwood Forest, Brena River Ravine, Hinterland, Cloudtop Mountains, Colovian Highlands, Entius Gorge, Lush Woodlands, Standarr Valley, The Heath, and Rolling Hills so far.

Which ones are Fallen Leaf Everglade and Dark Forest? Maybe I'll take a look closer if you think it's really good.

[Caael]

Dark Forest is one of the best IMO, adds a whole patch of 'tainted' forest just south of the Imperial City, with a poisonous river, a ghostly village and it's just so atmospheric. I spent half an hour there just looking around, looking at everything.

There's little like spirits there that curse you and fly away, giggling. It's amazing.

[Legolastom]

Ok got Morrowind to work and its great so far the only problem I have is how slow and clunky it can be at times, but really I can easilly see why people would prefer this over Oblivion.

Let me give you an overview of the factions which you can join in this game.

Guilds: Mages, Fighters, Theives, Morag tong, Camona tong.
Houses: Teelvani, Hlaalu, Redoran maybe another one.
Religions: Imperial cult, Tribunual temple.
Other: Imperial Legion, Vampires clans and possibly the blades.

Spelling is probably wrong for the houses but whatever. Anyway all of these are basically like guilds in Oblivion except when you join your disposition changes with members or the guild and members of other factions in a much better way than Oblivion.

I am playing a full mage character with unarmoured skill and short blade skill as well. Have 100% weakness to Magic but also have a ****ing assload of magika.

Am a member of the mages guild, theives guild (Only for getting rid of fines) and Tribunual Temple at the moment. Dont think I will progress with the main quest till I level up a bit.

Also when people say Oblivion has been dumbed down I can easilly see where they are coming from.

[Saturos S.]

Really?

I bought Morrowind after Oblivion because it was in one of those bargain boxes at a gamestore, but I just couldn't keep playing it. It was just so much slower and different, I just couldn't get used to it.

I'm sure it was epic in it's time, you can see that by the big fanbase that morrowind still has, but it is outdated. I might give it another try soon though.

Anyways, I might reinstall oblivion later today.

[Someone Else]

Tom is completely right. It's why I can't stand to play Oblivion without completely covering it up with mods to the point it's barely regonizable. Exaggerating of course.

Combat, stealth, and magic is better in Oblivion though. Even with a low Long Blade skill, I should be able to hit a fuggin' Mud Crab (which are huge in Morrowind) with a damn Claymore at point blank, MOST of the time.

The day Bethesda makes an Elder Scrolls game with Oblivion's combat, stealth, and magic system, but everything else Morrowind, is the day I quit my social life and all other ambitions just to play that game.

[Legolastom]

True facts it seems like the game is broken you hit things so little. But I do like Morrowin magic more however.

[Someone Else]

Well I didn't bother with magic for very long when my spells failed so often and magicka regeneration being a bit of a pain in the early game.

[Legolastom]

My spells only fail if I have barely any fatigue left, rest of the time they work fine.

Edit: This is some good lulz worthy reading by the way http://www.imperial-...ary.info/tsobs/

[Someone Else]

Here's the mods I'm using for giggles

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z84/WindDude/mymods1.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z84/WindDude/mymods2.jpg

Seems to work okay. I'll upload my list of mods sometime accordingly. Forgot some good stuff.

[Caael]

I thought Better Cities was supposed to be right under Oblivion.esm for it to work?

[Someone Else]

What I read seemed to imply it worked best if it was lower down on the list. But anyway when I installed it from it's OMOD that was where it went, and I got tired of changing the load order by this point.

By the way Caael take a look at http://www.tweakguid...Oblivion_8.html

In particular I like changing iMaxDecalsPerFrame and fDecalLifetime. Blood goes away way too quickly in Oblivion for my tastes. If you have a particularly long battle with a troll or something it makes the fight look much more intense with the blood splats everywhere.

[Caael]

New mods:

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/5007/newmods.png

Anything thats not blue are inactive mods.

This should vastly clear up crashes with the lack of a lot of mods. As much as it pains me to do so, I have to deactivate Natural Environments because they cause so many conflicts with other mods.

Also, Let the People Drink is activated now, though I haven't tested it. Does it work with Better Cities and the ImpeREAL city mods WD?

[Someone Else]

I thought parts at least of ImpeREAL were included in the latest update of Better Cities. Why do you have both?

But anyways, yes, there's an automated patch of sorts in Better Cities that make Let the People Drink compatible with it upon detection. You should get a notification of it when you load up Oblivion. Just put the .esp for Let the People Drink above the Better Cities .esp files, like I have.

The author of ImpeREAL is part of the Better Cities development team so there should be no problems there either.

However, Let the People Drink adds a little house next to Charcoal Cave and also modifies the cave itself, so if you have a Unique Landscape that changes that or a mod that changes Charcoal Cave itself be careful.

[Caael]

By 'above', do you mean closer to the top of the load order, or literally above, as in closer to Oblivion.esm?

Also, as far as I'm aware, ImpeREAL City is built to work along side Better Cities, not integrated into it.

[Legolastom]

Tim how are you enjoying Morrowind so far?

[Drizzy Drake]

Teh only ES pack on Steam is the two GOTY editions with the Of Nine expansion for Oblivion aswell as all the other expansions (which are part of the GOTY editions). Thats the one you meant right caael?

[Someone Else]

Caael, on Jul 24 2009, 07:19 PM, said:

By 'above', do you mean closer to the top of the load order, or literally above, as in closer to Oblivion.esm?

Closer to Oblivion.esm

[Caael]

Drizzy Drake, on Jul 25 2009, 06:05 PM, said:

Teh only ES pack on Steam is the two GOTY editions with the Of Nine expansion for Oblivion aswell as all the other expansions (which are part of the GOTY editions). Thats the one you meant right caael?

Yeah I got the full GOTY one, go with that

Someone Else, on Jul 25 2009, 07:04 PM, said:

Closer to Oblivion.esm

K, thats good, I'll try out this new mod setup in a bit.





Right, good and working so far, for the most part. Aqueduct is working, TVWD is working, pretty much all the new mods are working.

One problem. Doesn't really like cities very much. Tried to go in the waterfront tunnel and just closed with no warning whatsoever. I'm going to try deactivating Better Cities, which is no doubt the problem and see if thats made it bugger up. If so, I hope itsj ust the imperal city and not all of them because Better Cities really is the best mod out there and it'd be a shame for it to not be working.


Btw WD, you ever used Unneccesary Violence? It never seems to work for me, and because it doesn't work it causes my character to die. I have everything installed for it to work (nifscript, pluggy and both the unofficial patches) and it still wont work. You ever had this problem?


EDIT: Turns out ImpeREAL city IS integrated into better cities, which is why it would crash in the imperial city and when it didn't, my framerate was ridiculously low.

Everything else seems to be working fine, except UV. Will gradually add more stuff in but for now, it works so I'll leave it.

I've decided to go with OOO because Fransescos just will not work, for whatever reason I dont think it works with Steam because Nos hasn't had it working with the steam version either. With OOO and Uneccesary Violence working, that'll be all the gameplay change mods I'll need.

I have no mods that would conflict with OOO other than natural environments (possibly), because it edits the landscape in places. I only have mods that affect the player, combat or cities so OOO should work fine.


EDIT 2: Soooo I've discovered FCOM which basically has all the really big mods in; OOO, Fransescos, WarCry and Martigens Monster Mod.

If I can get this working with no conflicts, I will be playing this game nonstop for 3 months.


EDIT 3: Wryebash works as a mod loader pretty similar to OBMM right? In which case I might start with a clean slate, load up FCOM with no other mods, see how that goes and go from there.

[Legolastom]

Going to build me a wizards stronghold now yay.

[Caael]

Wyrebash can get ****ed, I honestly do not know what is going on with it at all.

Instead of FCOM, i'm just gonna install the individual mods that make up FCOM, seems easier. Plus I doubt fransescos would work anyway.

Well, I've installed OOO I think, but I cant tell if its working or not :\ I mean, I manually extracted it to oblivion/data instead of OBMM but I've noticed no changes whatsoever

[Someone Else]

No, I have never used Unnecessary Violence. I avoid combat-changing mods because A) my sister plays Oblivion too and she isn't very good at games that require faster reflexes and B) these kinds of mods tend to be the least polished and have the most conflicts.

For a typical user WryeBash is more for save file management. There are a lot of things you can do to mods with it too, but usually you should leave that aspect of WryeBash alone unless a mod tells to use WryeBash.

For example, you're not going to notice any OOO changes to an existing save in Oblivion unless you use WryeBash. Open WryeBash, click the Saves tab, right click the save you want, then click Update NPC Levels. I remember having to do this when I wanted to try OOO.

EDIT: I've also heard that OBSE doesn't work with Steam version?

[Caael]

Well I need Wyrebash for OOO and other stuff, but I cant seem to get it working. FCOM wont work at all, just instant CTD before the game even loads up.

OBSE didnt work with the steam version, but like 3 days after Steam Oblivion was released, Bethesda brought out a steam version so it works fine.

If I can get COM working, I wont need anything else.

[Someone Else]

Bethesda made a steam version of OBSE? Wow, I'm proud Bethesda, I'm proud.

[Caael]

It was extremely good, literally, 3 days after the steam version was released, there was a thread on TESNesux about it, and then it linked to a thread on the official Bethesda forums where there was a similar thread, and the 7th post or something was a Bethesda staff member posting the link to the steam OBSE

[Legolastom]

The more I play Morrowind the more I love it. In every aspect its superior to Oblivion, the clunkyness is only noticably in a few places now and being a mage if ****ing awesome.

Armour, cloths and weapons are done so much better in this than in oblivion so is the design of everything (Dungeons are interesting and fun in this) and I cant wait to murder 3 gods. Broke into Vivecs palace as well was small he didnt want to talk to me :P

Got almost full Ordinator gear, high levels of magic and look awesome (I look reminicent of a better designed Elder scrolls version of a Warcraft Blood elf).

Also I hope fast traveling isnt in the next game. Seriously what went wrong with Oblivion? If I played Morrowind before Oblivion I think I would have killed somebody.

Planing on making a lock in 100 metre radius spell soon, so no one can escape (I have also discovered how to permanently summon stuff).

[Someone Else]

Oblivion had an almost entirely different team than Morrowind did.

I can't decide how much I like Ruined-Tail's Tale mod for Oblivion.

[Caael]

The quests for it are brilliant, it's just getting to them thats annoying. Waiting for all the necessary conversations to pop up is loooooooong.

[Someone Else]

Yeah. And I like to actually role-play in Oblivion (I realize this statement is somewhat laughable) and right now I'm playing a mostly good fighter guy. Trying to balance doing Fighters Guild quests, Ruin quests, and main quests at a somewhat realistic pacing is sort of a chore. Still fun, though.

After I beat the main quest I get to do Malevolent, which is a quest mod by the same guy who made Ruined-Tail and sounds really interesting. I have yet to do Lost Spire so I gotta do that too. And I know I haven't done everything in Shivering Isles yet, either.

[Someone Else]

Just finished the Ruined-Tail quest line. While definitely sad, the ending I got, (there's multiple endings I think?) if nearly bordering on being a bit corny, was definitely satisfying and I might even say a bit heart-warming. I'd definitely recommend this mod if companion characters are up your ally for Oblivion.

I always thought that one thing The Elder Scrolls has always lacked was characters that you can actually "befriend." Bethesda has created an interesting and fairly believable world as far as fantasy worlds can go, full of books, locales, and lore in general that you can immerse yourself into and discover. And yet on the contrary, I always felt a bit disconnected from the world for the lack of other characters to actually care about.

While at times the relationship-building with Ruin seemed a little forced, it's better than I've seen in a lot of other games. And this was just a mod!

[Caael]

There's not multiple endings as such to RTT,

Spoiler

He'll always die but whether he dies on a good note or bad note is due to the choices you make in conversation throughout

As with the friends thing, I agree. In Oblivion you always seemed out for yourself and the only people you really connect with are martin and baurus. I just wish there was a mod where you could go around in a group of 4-5 people, with everybody able to die, meaning you have to look out for each other.

Also, a mod that makes NPCs jump over terrain when following you. Please. It's not hard. The sequence when the shadowseekers went to the imperial city into the shadowscale stronghold was so long, because Natural Environments had changed the landscape, meaning the pathfinding was messed up.

[Someone Else]

Caael, on Aug 1 2009, 04:03 AM, said:

I just wish there was a mod where you could go around in a group of 4-5 people, with everybody able to die, meaning you have to look out for each other.

You can get CM Partners, which is a mod that adds companions with AI that can be tweaked to a certain extent and you can fully manage their equipment. It's modular in that you can set whether you want these NPCs to be essential or not. It's a little buggy at times for me, but playing Frans and OOO without it can be suicide, especially at earlier levels.

You can't have relationships with these characters, though. They're pretty much just soulless NPCs that follow you around.

[Caael]

Speaking of Frans and OOO, I still cant get the ****ers working.

[Someone Else]

Not sure how to help you with that, but I just figured out the innkeeper at the Inn of Ill Omen buys stolen stuff! You have to be a journeyman in mercantile to get him to buy anything besides alchemy stuff, and he doesn't have much money, but still, awesome.

[Legolastom]

Also done all the riddles the astronauchs (Spelled wrong but w/e) made me do and are looking for the triolith of mount kand, which is invisible or nowhere near mount kand.

In mournhold I have: Played a role in the mystery of castle xyr play, helped a man-child Nord find his friend who is naked and being held prisoner by his debt collectors in the sewers, slaughtered millions of dark brotherhood guys in epic fights, got assaulted and shamed by an overconfident evil wizard, bought a pack rat, had a pack rat disappear, met allegedly the fiercest mortal warriors in Tamriel and lot of other cool ****.

Also have epic jump spell, epic fire spell, epic lock spell epic artifacts and wraithguard.

Dis is a gud game.

[Legolastom]

WELCOME to the Soviet Union of Bethesda, where axes are blunt and Comrade Compass will point us toward PROGRESS!

Edit: Also will never forget my epic conversation with Vivic.

[Legolastom]

v Oh look at this

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=rG1aYuPc8JI

[Someone Else]

Nice. I liked the scenery you picked, and good video editing.

[Legolastom]

Thanks, the only problem with it in my opinion was that I forgot to turn the music off when recording his speech.

[Someone Else]

I thought the music kinda added to it a little. It's more you should've had darker/creepier areas when the dungeon music is playing, which you did most of the time.

[Legolastom]

To be honest I didn't try to match the pictures with anything just recorded 6 minutes of scenic views added transitions and cuts and such then dumped the audio in.

[Nosferatu]

http://kotaku.com/5337865/bethesda-have-no...e-elder-scrolls

Sooo...

[Someone Else]

Then what the hell was all that about "expect to hear something about TES V in 2010" they said some months ago? I don't remember exactly when.

Bullshit.

Kotaku said:

Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion II!

????

[Legolastom]

Yeah and all that Nordic lore they got that guy do really suggest they are working on ES5 Skyrim right now.

[Someone Else]

I was thinking that too. I say this is a publicity stunt, they can't be that stupid to skip making a game that they're known for making, and that they know is going to millions of millions.

[Someone Else]

Double post. Bethesda once said they couldn't re-release Daggerfall because "they lost the source code" when they moved officies. They're just saying this so people stop bugging them for a release date, I bet. Most clues point to this I think.

[Nosferatu]

Someone Else, on Aug 16 2009, 03:10 PM, said:

Double post. Bethesda once said they couldn't re-release Daggerfall because "they lost the source code" when they moved officies. They're just saying this so people stop bugging them for a release date, I bet. Most clues point to this I think.

Signs of a great company. Right there.

Company of the century.

[Drizzy Drake]

YESSSSSS, because all the rips out there of new games are just the source code. Or the fact that Diablo 2 (newer than Daggerfall iirc) can be downloaded without an install file, without a crack, just a straight up exe with it.

There's NO way they cant release Daggerfall.

[Legolastom]

They alredy have and dosbox is more like DOUCBOX.

[Someone Else]

Drizzy Drake, on Aug 16 2009, 04:20 PM, said:

YESSSSSS, because all the rips out there of new games are just the source code. Or the fact that Diablo 2 (newer than Daggerfall iirc) can be downloaded without an install file, without a crack, just a straight up exe with it.

There's NO way they cant release Daggerfall.

I tried downloading Daggerfall before the re-release. Wasn't easy to find, and what I did find did appear to be legitimately the game's files, but not anything that was actually runnable.

The point I'm trying to make is that they lied about not having Daggerfall's source code so that people would shut up about releasing it. Same thing here I suspect.

[Legolastom]

http://bethblog.com/index.php/2009/08/17/c...s-game-mmo-etc/

Am I the only one who translated this as: "Elder scrolls 5 is going to be announced and Zenimax online are working on an ES MMO"?

[Someone Else]

Hmm... after some thought, that IS what it sounds like. I'm not really sure how I feel about an Elder Scrolls MMOG. A lot of people would like it, but I'm not sure if a lot of people really realize that Elder Scroll's controls, battle, class, and leveling mechanics aren't very friendly for an MMOG.

There's no reason that the world couldn't be applied to an MMOG, however. The gameplay would just need to be modified.

[Legolastom]

I think if they do it right and allow you to role-play efficiently then it could work, I just doubt such a big company with such strong game developers would copy and paste the crappy WOW formula.

[Someone Else]

It would definitely be different than WoW. I'm not a very big fan of MMORPGs, but an Elder Scrolls MMORPG done right? Drool.

[Legolastom]

Would be epic if it was the size of Daggerfall.

[Someone Else]

As long as the landscape wasn't all copypasta'd too bad yes that would be good for an MMOG.

[Caael]

Lol an MMO set across all of Tamriel would be cool but at the same time shit due to the lore for each region being all over the place.

[Someone Else]

This is good

http://livinginoblivion.wordpress.com/

[Legolastom]

"For the record, the Oblivion hero is called the Champion of Cyrodiil, or CoC for short.

Your question isn't really a bad one. A good number of users believe the idea you stated, that Sheog is just messing with the CoC. But other users (myself included) think you truly have become Sheogorath. For Arder Sul did the same thing.

Have you read about Arden Sul? Many inhabitants of the Isles will speak about him and claim him as either the Duke of Mania or Dementia; obviously their confused, right? He can't be Duke of both because the quest in SI shows you that. Lots of people in SI also consider him the mortal aspect of Sheog, and in a way they're right and wrong: Arden Sul WAS the Sheogorath. Let me explain:

The enantiomorph is a phenomenon in the Elder Scrolls that is an imitation of the interplay of Akatosh and Lorkhan, and by proxy Anu and Padomay, the first beings of existence. Anu and Padomay were literally opposites: stasis and change, good and bad, light and dark, + and -, etc, etc, and their interplay crated the Aurbis (see Monomyth. It will help alot). Akatosh and Lorkhan, following in the same vein as Anu and Padomay, were opposites as well: time and space. As we all know, their relationship ended with Aka having Lorkhan's heart ripped out.

Something lots of people have discovered on the lore forum is that Akatosh IS Lorkhan. Opposites logically need the other to exists, as if they're (part of) the same thing. This is why Anu and Padomay existed. This is why Aka and Lorkhan exist. This being said, Lorkhan basically killed himself, if Aka is Lorkhan.

Arden Sul, in both accounts of his death, has his heart destroyed by himself, either directly or indirectly. Remind you of anyone?

One last thing to think about, from the Ravings of Fenroy:

Just You wait and see
Good Gods come and go, but
All Lords eventually fall
A God can wake up mortal.

edit: See all the capital letters? Take them all, put them together and what word do you get?
I'd talk about Talos too, but I've said way too much in this one post. And someone else will fix any BS I missed."

Just read this on the lore forum, was very interesting.

Edit: Oh jesus http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.ph...64305&st=80 read from here up until the thread is closed, you will understand more than you ever possibly could have at the same time?

[Someone Else]

Would be interesting if the Champion of Cyrodiil became the new Sheogorath.

Tiber Septim became an Aedra anyway, so I don't see why CoC couldn't. Aedra and Daedra are basically the same thing, just that Deadra have a Padomaic bias while Aedra have an Anuic bias.

Except for one thing... I'm not sure how much I trust "Oblivion" lore because Oblivion itself broke the lore. The concept of the Dragonfires ritual keeping Oblivion at bay by the resulting magical barriers doesn't make a lot of sense if you look at the whole history of Nirn. If this ritual (the Emperor using the Amulet of Kings to keep the Dragonfires lit) was all that protected Nirn from Oblivion, then what the hell did the Ayleids, who existed before mankind, do to protect themselves from Mehrunes Dagon?

[Legolastom]

You don't know much about the mythic age did you? There was nothing stopping the hordes of Oblivion coming and that's what the Ayleids capitalized on however I dont think Nirn was seen as important as it is now back then by the other Deadric princes so they didn't worry to much about it.

Also I am pretty sure there is a large difference between Aedra and Deadra for one Aedra can die.

[Someone Else]

Pretty sure I read somewhere that a Daedra prince was killed once... or maybe I'm thinking about when Boethiah ate Triminac, who was an Aedra. Lol.