[Enoch]

did you happen to see the links I gave?

This post has been edited by Enoch: 04 January 2006 - 11:52 AM

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, and although it is good news, the sources of the sources might not be reliable enough.

[Split Infinity]

I wonder if the DS actually has the capability to transfer data from a GBA game to a DS game if they are both inserted into the same DS. It's worth considering.

Anyway, for your viewing pleasure, here is a translated version of Camelot's website:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=ht...Flanguage_tools

Take the time to browse the website. Some of the translations are SO funny.

[Sea of Time]

"the golden sun it does to be, lost"

Yeah, that's real helpful. Thanks.

[Neon]

data can be sent between GBA and DS cartridges on the DS. One game had a sort of expansion pack that was released as a GBA cart. It added extra material to the DS game.
I might be wrong though ><.

[Split Infinity]

Found this on the Camelot website:

Link is good freely. When it is linked, after the fact, being not to care, when at the mail you can inform, the WebmasterX rejoices. In addition, truly the selfishness, concerning mutual link being modest, we have received, but the WebmasterX being whimsical, there are times when you introduce with the corner of the News Flash.

And this:

In regard to the social studies observation of school relationship, the mail at the telephone consultation you receive. Ahead the inquiring with the mail in case of this telephone 03-3341-7759 to the medium coming out (in in to be). Furthermore, because it can correspond with the language other than Japanese and is unable, beforehand acknowledgement. Because the equipment and material of secret the game before the announcing rumblingly have done, perhaps the actual development scenery we cannot show. This and acknowledgement.

And this:

When in the person who inquires of the " about the music golden sun ", you compare with the music of the other game of the GBA, the method which had the impression that " the conspirators it is different ", well enough is not to be, probably will be?

Of course, there is also a good quality of the music by " the cherry tree garden Osamu " person of everyone coral knowing, but in order that music the maximum to be able to reproduce while the restricting of hard of the GBA, we endeavor.

Has Camelot gone crazy? Or is Google just a bad choice when it comes to translating web pages?

[Sea of Time]

The latter. Translating is hard enough, without having to change the order of the words. Be nicer to poor Google!

[Split Infinity]

The translations are kind of funny, though. I can definately give them that.

[Sea of Time]

Funny if you understand them. If you read through them 15 to 20 times, it finally starts to make sense.

[TheEnglishman]

Well how should we know?
Try asking Camelot instead. If they say yes then come and tell us.

[Sea of Time]

There are rumours flying that a GS3 is possible. Camelot is hiring a new worker for rpg design, so that leads us to believe that Camelot is working on a new RPG. That's basically the only definitive news we have.

[Split Infinity]

And it also seems that GS will be sticking to Nintendian consoles, if the game does comes out.

[Sea of Time]

Nintendian?

Anyways it will probably be a portable system so the DS or the GBA.

[Split Infinity]

Nintendo - Noun
A highly successful gaming corporation, known for such characters as Mario and Luigi.
Nintendian - Adjective
The adjectual form of Nintendo.

[Lord Raenef]

Why should their be a GS3? ._. what's the point...?

[Neon]

1. Because we're all avid fans of the Golden Sun games and to not see a 3rd would break our hearts ;P

2. The end of TLA does actually set it up for a sequal. Alchemy has been unleashed, Isaac and co. have been charged with the protection of the world, and there is a possibility that Alex will survive and then set about fulfilling his dreams of world domination.

[Neon]

Alex is an enemy, The Wise One is not. He turned against them at the end because he wanted to protect the world from alchemy. Kraden then explains how, since their parents did not die, it must have been designed as more of a test rather than a punishment.
Plus, The Wise One defeats Alex and also channeled some of the power of the Golden Sun through to Isaac. This doesn't sound like something an enemy would do :P.

[TheEnglishman]

I always thought that the end of GS2 had a sort of final ending to the series. I thought it ended the story well. If GS3 was made then it could end up ruining the series. Sequels tend to be worse than the originals.

[Neon]

I agree. I like the story as it is, and a sequal will most likely ruin it =\.
You can't deny though, they have set it up for a possible sequal in the future.

[firecracker]

Neon, on Dec 27 2005, 08:03 AM, said:

It's a fake. Made by Cinder and friends at GSR last April fools :P.

It was made by a user named TakaM at GSR forums. along with these other cool ones he made...

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~goldensun/phpb...pic.php?t=13862

just follow the thread and you will see some pretty cool images he created.

[Sea of Time]

Neon, on Jan 9 2006, 10:23 AM, said:

I agree. I like the story as it is, and a sequal will most likely ruin it =\.
You can't deny though, they have set it up for a possible sequal in the future.

There is always the fact that at the end of GS1 there was the statement To Be Continued... at the end, and there was no such thing in GS2. I know it seems simple but even though there was room to grow with the storyline, they didn't make it obvious that there would be a sequel.

[Neon]

That is because the two games were part of the one major plot line. It's like a tv series. Every episode is is a continuation of the story, but sometimes there are plots that stretch over 2 or more episodes, so they have 'to be continued...' at the end to indicate that next week, the show will continue right were it left off.

A GS3 would most likely take place many years after the end of GS2. Or, heaven forbid, would be a prequal >.o.

Actually, a prequal would be pretty cool. You could play as the adepts that sealed away alchemy, and the enemies can be a group that has set out to stop you. Or vice verce.
Or even better, they can split it into 2 games and you can play both sides with a happy reunion at the end! ;P

This post has been edited by Neon: 09 January 2006 - 10:50 PM

[Blink]

I could see a sequel where they have to shut down the lighthouses, for the world has regenerated largely, and man has returned to war.

[Neon]

I think it would be more interesting as a prequel because then we already know that what the characters are doing for the good of the world is actually going to harm it. It makes for a more interesting story imo :D.

[Doom Fox]

I don't know if any of you have seen this, but Camelot IS actually working on a RPG more likely for the Nintendo Revolution, and they state many facts that point towards a Golden Sun sequel.

"Hiroyuki Takahashi Interview" said:

While this placement does not directly confirm that the RPG is for Revolution, it seems the most logical conclusion based on Camelot's very close relationship with Nintendo and previous comments made by the studio's president Hiroyuki Takahashi. Last month, he confirmed that Camelot is not currently underway with any DS projects, but seemed to hint that it was developing a new RPG for an unspecified system.

"We love RPGs a lot and we profoundly adore the universe we created with the Golden Sun series on GBA," he replied when he was asked if Camelot was making a Golden Sun sequel for consoles. "At the moment, though, it is impossible for us to share information on this subject with you and so our answer is neither yes nor no." Takahashi added that Camelot does have projects underway and that he expects it "will be able to show some new things at E3."

http://revolution.ig...015/015822.html

[GoldenX]

That is good to know, but for a sequel what would the story be about really. If anything Alex will be the main enemy you must fight at the end, which only Issac will have some blade (ex- Alchemy Blade) that will cause him to lose power like the Trident did for Posiden. I'm sure that the Wise One will have some evil counterpart that led Alex to gain so much power.

This post has been edited by GoldenX: 12 January 2006 - 03:27 PM

[Sea of Time]

A prequel would be very cool IMO, I never thought of that before. The storyline is predetermined and the quest to lock away alchemy would be very interesting to play through.

[Someone Else]

That's a fairly old Interview quote Doom Fox, but thanks for bringing it up. I had almost forgotten about it... :o

A prequel would be better than a sequel at this point because you would still have some partiality to the story, since you already know what is going to happen (for the most part). It would likely re-ignite support for the Golden Sun series.

[Sea of Time]

Then they can give us a GS4 as a sequel! But maybe that's looking too far ahead...

[The Lord of the Morning]

Yes, I agree a Prequel is a very good place to go now. But I also believe a sequel is important too.

A prequel would definately have to come first. If we are to continue the Golden Sun story, we need to see what happened before, back when the world was old. With that crucial better understanding, we could jump back to Alex and Isaac and the others.

And Mia... how could she NOT be involved? Alex, despite his evilness, deeply cares for Mia, maybe even loves her. While Mia despises him, for what he did. I'd love to see her change him. I think of Alex as a Darth Vader kind of character- he probably did what he did because he wanted to protect Mia, so that she would love him back. I would love to see his love for her change him back to the light in the end, and have him join the good guys once more, after much soul-searching and a climactic battle with Isaac.

It is my belief that Alex was corrupted by something, someone way back when Alchemy was sealed away. This Dark person, a man of unspeakable evil, may have originally given power to secure the peace and stability of the world by using the Stone of Sages. The Stone's power corrupted him, and he waged war against all the other nations of the world so that he could dominate all life. In a last ditch effort to save the world from his evil, a small group of Adepts were able to seal away the Stone's powers in the Elemental Lighthouses, sealing away Alchemy for years, though it brought ruin and collapse to many a great civilization, and eventually would engulf the entire world. This Dark Lord of sorts was also sealed away at that time, by a second seal.

But even sealed beyond the void of time and space, the Dark Lord whispers into the dark hearts of men. Those who seek power, those who would do anything to stop the inevitable, fall under his dominion.

Alex may have foreseen a terrible fate for Mia, a danger that may very kill her (something we may learn later). To save her from such, he decided to forsake the teaching he had followed, forsake the light, and do anything to save her. In doing so, he himself signed her death warrant, for the seed of darkness within his heart grew, and now he struggles between his love for her and insanity. Alex's dark pact may open the gateway of the Silver Moon, and unlock the seal upon the most terrible Adept to ever walk the face of the Earth. A man who will dominate the entire planet; all shall fall to his will. This is Alex's dark fate.

That is why Alex is so crucial. If there was to be a fourth game to finish the story, I would wish it to feature Alex as the main character, solo questing in his dark path. And in the end, he must work with Isaac if he is to truly follow his heart and save the one he loves most: His mentor, his childhood friend, his Mia.

Note that this was all conjecture, and that I did not get this from any sources. I simply believe that if Camelot would do this successfully, they would revive the interest in Golden Sun, and Golden Sun would forever live up at the top with Final Fantasy, DragonQuest, and The Legend of Zelda.

[Sea of Time]

I actually read that long post and I usually don't do that. :blink:

This guy has the right idea. Read it!

[Blink]

Basically the same as his GS3Story topic post :)

But yeah, now I have a better understanding for what you meant by having 4 Golden Sun games in the end, and that makes more sense. I guess it could work that way, I'm just not as open to it. :blink:

[Sea of Time]

The Lord of the Morning, on Jan 16 2006, 08:07 PM, said:

Note that this was all conjecture, and that I did not get this from any sources. I simply believe that if Camelot would do this successfully, they would revive the interest in Golden Sun, and Golden Sun would forever live up at the top with Final Fantasy, DragonQuest, and The Legend of Zelda.

I don't think Golden Sun can ever live up to Final Fantasy or Zelda until it makes games on other consoles (Rev, GC). Great game franchises reinvent themselves on TV consoles (OoT) and unless Golden Sun does that, it can never be a classic.

[Omair]

Golden Sun takes too much time, thats the problem, so (like Sea of Time said) it won't ever be as recognised as those games =P.

[Sea of Time]

Other games take longer to beat, so it's not the fact that it's the length, the only thing seperating this game from being a classic is...(see last post)

[The Lord of the Morning]

Well that's why they need to make the games longer. They were able to make GS2 Almost twice as long as GS1 and both were on the GBA, and I know other GBA games that are longer (like FFIV), so they could definately make them longer in the future; also, if they switched consoles onto Revolution or even DS, Golden Sun could be much, much longer than they are already.

[Omair]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I meant the interval for the release of GS3 from GS2 is really long.

[TheEnglishman]

Well it's been something like 3 years now? If a 3rd game were to come out then it probably would have. That doesn't mean we can't assume there will be a third though! :blink:

[Omair]

I meant it won't be too well known if it takes THAT long for another one to come out. @_@.

[The Lord of the Morning]

I guess, but people loved the Golden Sun games, regardless of their utter fanship or not. If a third was to come out, and it was phenomenal, then it could easily redeem itself for the several years wait.

[TheEnglishman]

The Lord of the Morning, on Jan 20 2006, 06:57 PM, said:

I guess, but people loved the Golden Sun games, regardless of their utter fanship or not. If a third was to come out, and it was phenomenal, then it could easily redeem itself for the several years wait.

That's the problem. If a sequel was to come out it would have to be pretty good to regain the interest of the people.

[Blue]

Why does everyone here think that Golden Sun isn't as popular due to the fact that it hasn't had a new game? I know tons of people who still love this game, and can't wait for the release of a new one.
Personally, I think a prequal would be awesome. Showing us reasons why Alchemy was locked away.
I think it was probably due to a nation designing a mega weapon that uses the power of the Stone of Sages.

The way I figured it, Alex found some ancient texts about it and decided to build another version of the weapon using the powers he would have recieved from the Golden Sun.

[TheEnglishman]

I think a prequel is the best way to go considering that ending of GS2 seemed so 'final'.

[Sea of Time]

Omair, on Jan 19 2006, 03:53 AM, said:

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, I meant the interval for the release of GS3 from GS2 is really long.

True. This is another reason to believe that a GS3 isn't coming. There were only two years between the first two, it's been more than three years now since GS2, we should at least have had some news.

[Omair]

A Prequel would probably have even better Psynergy =O.

[Sea of Time]

Did better psynergy make GS2 better than GS? Some people disagree with that, so why would the same apply to GS3.

[Toasty64]

Sea_of_Time, on Jan 21 2006, 12:00 PM, said:

True. This is another reason to believe that a GS3 isn't coming. There were only two years between the first two, it's been more than three years now since GS2, we should at least have had some news.

Some games take longer to make than others, but yeah, we probably should have heard something by now. Although that is a probably so we shouldn't rule anything out yet. Some fanfics I've read on other sites would be perfect backrounds for a GS3.

Here's one: The Fifth Age, it's kinda long (126 pages), and there's some questionable assumptions, but it's got a pretty gould base.

ME111, they could always have it take place in modern times(like the fifth age fanfic), and SOT, just because it's only been on portable systems doean't mean it is't a classic, I know many people who would dissagree with you. And finally to LOTM, That is a great Idea.
I also think that having a prequil with abase like using the stone of sages as a weapon, having a delema with Alex is a great idea, but I also think that having the story take place in modern times would add a whole new edge to the game. And it would probably be better to release a prequil before a sequal.

This post has been edited by Toasty64: 01 February 2006 - 09:56 PM

[TheEnglishman]

Actually I think a sequel set in modern times would be pretty cool. It would make a change from the usual sort of setting. The chances are almost none though.

[Toasty64]

Well at least I got an opinion, and yeah, I guess I agree, slim chances.

[Someone Else]

Weyard isn't Earth. Plus the place is frikken' FLAT, not a globe. (I know that doesn't have much to do with it but I feel it's worth mentioning) But I've considered GS taking place in modern times. It would be interesting, and I personally feel it could be done.

But it would be a bit cheesy. Plus, how would you travel around the overworld map? Would you drive around in a home mobile??? XDD

I can see it now...

Golden Sun: Road Trip!

[Aquamarine]

No... Not... Modern...
Sorry about that, it's just that I never liked the idea of futuristic or, even worse, modern day RPG's. I think that one of the things that sell and RPG game is medi-evil weapons and magic. You couldn't have those in a modern GS game... I think.

[Toasty64]

Wind Dude, on Feb 2 2006, 06:08 PM, said:

Weyard isn't Earth. Plus the place is frikken' FLAT, not a globe. (I know that doesn't have much to do with it but I feel it's worth mentioning) But I've considered GS taking place in modern times. It would be interesting, and I personally feel it could be done.

But it would be a bit cheesy. Plus, how would you travel around the overworld map? Would you drive around in a home mobile??? XDD

I can see it now...

Golden Sun: Road Trip!

Well, in the story, evil psyenergy twisted the world into a sphere, and actually, Alex, and Isaac's dscendant, travel around in an old, beat up pickup. Haha. :blink: And in the story, Isaac's descendant inherit's what I think is the Gaia Blade.

This post has been edited by Toasty64: 04 February 2006 - 09:43 PM

[Sea of Time]

In my mind, the game is a classic. But I also don't see it on the same level as Final Fantasy or Legend of Zelda.

[Toasty64]

Yeah, that's reasonable, since those other games have been around alot longer and have way more sequils.

[Sea of Time]

I still think it is the best portable game ever (or at least that I have ever played).

[TheEnglishman]

It's certainly a good game but I don't think, like SoT, that it's as much of classic as Zelda or Final Fantasy.

[Sea of Time]

Back on the subject of Golden Sun 3, if it were to be a prequel, who or what would be the main character. And would there be any new gameplay elements that anyone would like to see?

I would not only like to see more types of psynergy, but also perhaps a new power that was only available back then.

[Toasty64]

If there was a prequil, the characters would probably be Isaac and Felix's parent's,since in the beginning of GS, Isaac and company were so young. There would also definately be new psyenergy, and some old psyenergy from GS. Since it would be a prequil, there would be little or no chance of psyenergy from GS2, unless the psyenergy was known in GS, but just not used. I also think that there is an even chance of a prequil or a sequil since there are many questions left about Alex, but, at the same time, there are many questions that would be better solved in a prequil.

[Sea of Time]

No, it would be much better to go all the way back to when the Sages sealed away the power of Alchemy. Having Felix's parents be the main characters would answer some questions but not enough. It would be much more interesting if the storyline would be about the Sages. My question is, who would be a main character and what sort of angle could they put on the power.

[Toasty64]

The main character, if it took place that far back, would have to be Alex. I mean, who else could it be? On top of that, I don't think it ever tells you how old Alex is in the instructions booklet of the GS2 game AND he is a water adept, which means he can heal himself.

[Sea of Time]

Could he be that old? Why would he wait so long to try to unlock the power of Alchemy again?

[Blue]

What are you guys talking about? Didn't he grow up with Mia? he can't possibly be that old if he "grew up" with her.

[Toasty64]

It was just a suggestion, anyway, how about the king of lemuria? He seem's old enough.

[Sea of Time]

Hydros is too big a character to be the main character of GS3. I can't see that being probable.

[Toasty64]

If you're talking about the boss you defeat before going into lemuria, that's not who I meant. And his name is Posieden (spelling?). I meant the king of Lemuria, the head guy that you talk to that shows you pictures of weyard in the past. THE GUY ON THE THRONE!!

[Sea of Time]

That would be Hydros XD.

[Toasty64]

Well he's the same size as all the other characters so what's the problem? But he isn't that perfect for a main character. I'd have to be a well known, fairly old, adept from the first or second game.

[Sea of Time]

No, not big as in size, but he's just on a different level in the first two games. It would be weird to have to play as him in a GS3.

[Toasty64]

Yeah, I know, it was a suggestion. Any way, why are we the only ones left posting, and can everyone quit putting fake screen shots of GS3 in the forum?

[TheEnglishman]

Yeah it's annoying when people keep showing screenshots and saying 'OMG ITZ GOLDEN SUN 3 LOL!1'
As for Hydros being a main character, it's an interesting idea but I don't think he had enough focus in GS2 to make him a main character.

[Toasty64]

Agreed. So, any more main character suggestions?

[Mars Djinni]

A prequel in between the sealing of the power of alchemy and Isaac's journey isn't my kind of game.

there's a lot of imited psynergy. Because the lighthouses were still dormant, the outbreak of new psynergy powers should not have existed at the time of this prequel, let alone the mount Aleph Eruption. Kyle, Dora, and Jenna's parents are too minor of characters to be played as. Nothing really special as I believe has ever happend to them, nor do they seem like they are hiding something. Kyle had to have pretty pathetic psynergy to be beaten by a ROCK. The sages would be a good idea. Alchemy would be at its finest, meaning that there will be thousands of djinni, billions of psynergy, tons of summons, and hordes of alchemy-powered evil guys.

[Sea of Time]

I could see one of the sages close offspring or relatives being a main character, but I don't see a storyline for that right now.

[Mars Djinni]

I don't know about you guys, but I think that Golden Sun drew the players into sort of daydreaming about how the power of alchemy would be like. IF ever a GS3, I'd personally love to play as someone who can control alchemy as opposed to unchanged psynergy. The djinn might have a better system, too. Now that Alchemy is released, the djinn wll be at the fulles power.

Oh, and Kyle would be dead in my perfect GS3 vision, too. (KYLE. ROCK. EEEYYAAAH.)

[Toasty64]

Mars Djinni, on Feb 19 2006, 05:45 PM, said:

A prequel in between the sealing of the power of alchemy and Isaac's journey isn't my kind of game.

there's a lot of imited psynergy. Because the lighthouses were still dormant, the outbreak of new psynergy powers should not have existed at the time of this prequel, let alone the mount Aleph Eruption. Kyle, Dora, and Jenna's parents are too minor of characters to be played as. Nothing really special as I believe has ever happend to them, nor do they seem like they are hiding something. Kyle had to have pretty pathetic psynergy to be beaten by a ROCK. The sages would be a good idea. Alchemy would be at its finest, meaning that there will be thousands of djinni, billions of psynergy, tons of summons, and hordes of alchemy-powered evil guys.

There wouldn't be any more dijin. There were only a total of 72 dijin and they protected the elemental stars. I also don't think that the sages would be good main characters. Since it's not an entirely new game, then they should only use characters talked about in GS & GS2. It should be a sequil to GS2, but only take place 5 or so years after. The antagonist of the story would be Alex, or mabey the wise one represented by four evil adepts like in The Fifth Age (posted earlier).

[Sea of Time]

The djinni count should stay the same, I agree. Unless there is some sort of world beyond Weyard that can be created, which would be an interesting plotline if you ask me.

[BloodPhoenix]

If Golden Sun III is made there will most likly be a new playable character. Isaac would have to be in it from how TLA ended, but i doubt you will play as him. I'd like to see a new guy, someone cool and strong enough to take on Alex.

There could be new locations beyond Weyard, as when you look at the map, Weyard is on a huge waterfall??? so perhaps beoynd that on the lower levels is other lands. I doubt nintendo and camalot would do this though, something to do with the lighthouses.

as for djinni i reckon your count will resart, and the old djinni arn't getable.

Another idea for GSIII could be that it long since TLA and Isaac and co are long dead. The mars star (with the percentage of power from the Golden Sun) still remains though as do the others, and Alex (who still lives due to the imortality powers from the Golden Sun) is searching for it. The main character is brought into the story in a major event. I think there'll be a new twist to the story too, as if it's as simple for Alex to take the star and take it's power, then it wouldn't be much of a game, so there are things to do with psynergy that he must do at locations... i dunno????

nice idea for a new main char though i reckon

[Split Infinity]

It seems likely that the main character of GS3 would have to be an earth adept, following the tradition of the previous two games. He might also have a party consisting of one character from each of the other elements, also like the other games.

[Sea of Time]

BloodPhoenix, on Feb 23 2006, 06:00 AM, said:

There could be new locations beyond Weyard, as when you look at the map, Weyard is on a huge waterfall??? so perhaps beoynd that on the lower levels is other lands. I doubt nintendo and camalot would do this though, something to do with the lighthouses.

The lighthouses are lit, I can't see them being an incremental part of a possible GS3.

[Ivan is my name]

Yeah, but eveybody thinks that. If they try to mislead people, then do it again, then they will try and shock everybody with a plot twist. Something big and evil like anemos or something

[Sea of Time]

Anemos was a huge mystery. I wished that they would have cleared up more about it in GS2, but maybe they were leaving something new to be found out? It would be a great plotline if Anemos was involved.

[Split Infinity]

Maybe Camelot is spying on us now, greedily archiving our opinions in an attempt to make a decent game.

[Sea of Time]

I highly doubt that. If they were greedily taking our opinions, they probably would have made a game by now.

[Toasty64]

Maybe GS3 will be like SoT's Fan Fic. Except the main character would be Isaac's son. Him and a friend have to go on another journey like Isaac did in GS1.

And if they were, I DON'T think they would've made a game by now, most of the process is making the content, not the story. And since there were so many Q's from TLA, they would have to make a game to clear things up (City of Anemos, what REALY happened to Alex, what did the Wise one do after he gave dreams to the people at the end, What REALY happened to the stone of Sages, What will happen to all the cities after psyenergy is released upon the land, ect.). On top of that, if you read the latest news post, Camelot is working on a new game. Most likely an RPG. And what more likely of an RPG for them to make but a GS3?

[Sea of Time]

I'm continuing my storyline because I feel obligated now that I've started. But I think a war will be too typical a direction for the series to go. I'm interested in seeing what they will do because there are many different directions the series could go.

[Toasty64]

Hmm, good point. Personally, I think it'll end up being something to the extent of Alex comming back and doing something evil.

[Sea of Time]

That would be really by the book though. Perhaps Alex comes back much much later and there is a new group of adepts.

[Toasty64]

I'd like to see the old group back again. But whatever happens, well probably know in a few months.

[Someone Else]

I honestly really, really, REEAAALLLY don't want to see the old crew back... the old crew is done as far as I'm concerned except for Isaac.

[Sea of Time]

I don't even know if Isaac should be back because if he comes back, then everyone will wonder what happened to everyone else and even if they had all died previously, it would still seem manufactured.

[Toasty64]

Well I guess we will just have to wait.

[Someone Else]

Yesh.

What I mean is, the GS crew disbanded ('cept Isaac and Jenna and Garet), going their seperate ways. Their stories are all done, except for Isaac maybe since he has some Alchemy power in him... so who knows.

[Sea of Time]

Ah, I understand now. That also sounds like a good storyline. A disbanded group always makes a good starting place for a story, so yes, that would be a good storyline as well.

[Blue]

If its a sequal, I'm more than sure its going to have Alex in it, one way or another. Maybe we'll see a new group come with some memebers of the old. I'ld like to see Adapts from the Clans that we're suppose to protect the Lighthouses. Maybe a Proxian and some one from Contigo. Of course, the only survivors of the Mercury Clan was Alex and Mia, and there seems to be no survivors of the Venus Clan.

[Toasty64]

What about the earth adepts of Vale?

[Someone Else]

Vale had Fire Adepts too. =/

[Sea of Time]

From what we could see, Vale had Earth and Fire adepts, but that means that there could be Earth Adepts in the third game.

[Toasty64]

I know Vale had both kinds of adepts. I was thinking that mabey the gardian earth adepts were meant to protect Sol Sanctom, and fire adepts from the North came down and setteled in with the earth adepts.

[Sea of Time]

That makes a lot of sense. As you can see, there is a lot of background that has been left uncovered from the past. This is why a prequel makes sense.

[Toasty64]

Yeah, but I just can't see a prequil fitting in. Unless they did something like they did in GS1. Put a prologue that you can play in, in the beginning (The prequil), then have the basis of the game (The sequil).

[Sea of Time]

You mean, the running backstory at the beginning of GS2? I don't think that that does the past justice.

[Toasty64]

No! A playable prequil at the beginning, like in GS, you know, the first one, when Jenna's family dies. But mabey a bit longer. Having a prequil at the beginning THAT short would be pointless.

[Sea of Time]

I guess that was sort of a prequel, but it was vital to the story, not like an entire prequel where you go back thousands of years. That story is not vital, but it would be very interesting.

[Toasty64]

Well, what I'm saying is, basically, putting a prequil, AND a sequil together. The prequil at the beginning taking place thousands of years ago, but just not quite as long as the main story. While the main story would take place after GS2, and after you finished the prequil part of the story. Prequil 1st, 1/2 as long as main story, but still long enough, then the sequil, longer than the prequil part, main focus of game. That way they don't need to make two games, and you wouldn't need to pay twice as much. Besides, if they made a prequil, it would probably come out at the same time as the sequil, and probably not sell as much, since people would rather get on with the story, than go through a prologue that describes in detail what happened before GS:1.

[Sea of Time]

I understand what you mean now. But that might be too confusing. Plus Nintendo wouldn't miss a chance to make money. Why not stretch that into two games?

[Toasty64]

Because then they'd have to calculate specific dates to release both of them seperately. If they get the dates off by a bit, they'll lose tons of sales. They can't sell both of them at the same time for the reason I said earlier. Don't get me wrong, a prequil wouldn't be that bad of an idea. I'd just prefer a sequil with a small prologue explainig what went on 1000 years ago, so the main game can be longer, and have more sidequests.

[Sea of Time]

I think if they sold them one year apart, it would work perfectly. Don't wait as long as between GS1 and 2 but perhaps just shorter of a span.

[Toasty64]

Mabey, but I don't see both a prequil AND a sequil being big hits. It's either one or the other. One game would end up being the main game, and the other would end up being just if you wanted to. The only way I could begin to imagine BOTH being hits, is if they were 2 - 3 years apart. That would set a fine line between them, and they could both be considered main games, instead of one being a main game, and the other an accessory.

[Sea of Time]

I can see where you're coming from. I take back what I said before, you are right. If they definitively choose a sequel, then there is a small chance that a prequel will ever arrive.

[Toasty64]

Well, they could make a prequil, then a few years later, realease a sequil. But the sequil would probably sell more IMO.

[Mars Djinni]

It would. TLA ended with the power of alchemy beign released. It is only natural that the effects of this, both good and bad, are chronicled in a 3rd game.

[gsninja]

Yeah. And there should be more information about the Stone of Sages. The only information GS ever gave about the Stone of Sages is that it's created by the Golden Sun and you could conquer the world with it. There's obviously has to be much more to it than that.

[Mars Djinni]

Maybe Alex will lead his rallied forces indirectly, too and use the stone to ressurect himself. It sounds a bit cliché, but it is reasonable.

[gsninja]

That actually sounds reasonable. I guess a GS3's main prospect could be the whole world of Weyard engulfed in a war, with Alex controlling it from the shadows o.o

[Toasty64]

Most likely, yes. It is safe to assume that it will have something to do with Alex raising from his earthly grave. But there are still many other directions it could take.

[DarkAbyss]

you should play as Alex, he is the best char by far

[Aquamarine]

I've always thought it would be awesome to play as Alex and three more evil Adepts. Your goal would be, of course, to take over Weyard. You would have to battle all the main characters from the first two GS's. I think that would be really cool!

[Sea of Time]

I think games with villains as main characters are intriguing but never turn out that great. But maybe that's just me.

[Split Infinity]

Ala, Goldeneye: Rogue Agent. I rest my case.

[Sea of Time]

Haha, EA hater! But seriously, can anyone name any great games where you play the villain?

[Split Infinity]

How about Fable? You can be evil in that.

[Sea of Time]

I don't think that game lived up to the hype and therefore cannot be called a "great" game.

[Split Infinity]

Huh? Fable was a great game! How different we are, eh SoT?

[DarkAbyss]

GTA - Vice city, that was an awesome game where your the villian

[Toasty64]

Yeah, but I agree with SoT. Games where you are the villan just aren't as good as games where you are the good guy. GS is the kind of game that that kind of thing would never happen to. The only way they could allow Alex to be a playable character would be in an interactive epilouge (Beginning of GS&GS:2), or for Alex to somehow become a good guy. Trust me, that's the only way it would happen. Unless they made something like a GS party game, but that would end up being g*y.

[Aquamarine]

I don't think it's gonna happen, I just think it would be cool.

And Wario is another evil(well...) character whose games are awesome!

[Sea of Time]

Most people aren't like the villains in video games. There's a bit of good in everyone and RPG's (for the most part) are supposed to bring that good part out. A villain-based game just doesn't add up for me.

[TheEnglishman]

Being the villain in a game isn't as much fun as being the good guy. You're gonna lose if you're the villain anyway.
As for Wario being a villain, he's not really much of one anymore. He started off as the villain but he became a sort of hero in the end.

[Toasty64]

Sort of.........but he still has an evil aspect to him. I would expect nintendo to come out with a sequil somewhere around november or spring 2007. It would be something like alex coming back, being the bad guy for a while with a gang, then the gang betraying him and he would be a character on your team.

[Mars Djinni]

I remain to beleive that Alex is dead and will be unless he obtains the Stone of Sages, which only Isaac can make, due to what the Wise One said about him. Alex might have rallied some people up or his lifeless spirit disturbed Alchemy, which might have some impact on Isaac or the main cahracter's next journey.

[Toasty64]

• Yeah. But like I said (I think), there's still many different roads GS:3 could take.
  
• Alex comming back to life and becoming good
  
• Alex comming back to life and becoming bad
  
• Alex being dead 'till his minions get the stone of sages and revives him
  
• The wise one actually being evil and trying to shut off Alchemy again (The Fifth Age)
  
  Any one of these happening in a modern time :ph34r:

And I'm sure that there's certainly more. Add to the list. ^_^

[Saturos S.]

Well, it does sound very simple and stuff but they could do that because of the unlocking of the lighthouses a greater evil has been unlocked and that a new band of hero's (the other ones got old and died as legends) set out to discover the newly made land beyond the Gaia Falls.

The Gaia falls were growing because there was no alchemy. Theoreticly when there is alchemy it would go back and new land will unveal.

So, no Alex whatsoever but a great secret that has been uncoverd, the smart guys that are gonna make it can think it up.

[Sea of Time]

Toasty64, on Mar 28 2006, 12:44 AM, said:

• Yeah. But like I said (I think), there's still many different roads GS:3 could take.
  
  
• Alex comming back to life and becoming good
  
  
• Alex comming back to life and becoming bad
  
  
• Alex being dead 'till his minions get the stone of sages and revives him
  
  
• The wise one actually being evil and trying to shut off Alchemy again (The Fifth Age)
  
  Any one of these happening in a modern time :ph34r:

And I'm sure that there's certainly more. Add to the list. ^_^

I don't think that the wise one could possibly be evil, that would be too big of a change for the series to take. I think that the villain would have to be Alex, as the wise one hinted at the end of GS2 that they would see each other again.

[gsninja]

Sea_of_Time, on Mar 28 2006, 02:41 PM, said:

I don't think that the wise one could possibly be evil, that would be too big of a change for the series to take. I think that the villain would have to be Alex, as the wise one hinted at the end of GS2 that they would see each other again.

He hinted that they MIGHT see each other again. So Alex may very well not be the villain in GS3. But it's entirely possible, of course.

[Sea of Time]

I didn't see any other remote form of foreshadowing in GS2 other than that last conversation between the Wise One and Alex. Naturally, I assumed that if there were to be a GS3 he would be the villain and I stand by that now.

Does anyone think we'll be seeing plans for a GS3 at E3 next month?

[Toasty64]

Definately. There is no doubt that we'll see an update for the rev, and since Camelot said they were making a new RPG for the rev.............................

[Wiflewood]

No doubt? I'd say there is a lot of doubt.

As for story, I'll either go with:

1. Alex is the bad guy. Mt. Aleph collapsing didn't finish him off, and now he's back to kill Isaac for the other half of the Golden Sun.

2. A new, random villain. Alchemy has been released, and the Wise One's fears of it being abused by humans comes true, as this guy uses it to try take over the world.

3. Same as 2, but Alex will come back also, either to 'befriend' (manipulate for his own uses) the new bad guy, or 'befriend' (pretend to be a friend of) Isaac and co.

[TheEnglishman]

Sea_of_Time, on Mar 29 2006, 09:00 PM, said:

Does anyone think we'll be seeing plans for a GS3 at E3 next month?

In my opinion... no. I just don't see it happening. I know it's possible but I don't think it will happen, even with Camelot making a new RPG.
Then again I wouldn't mind if I was proved wrong.

[Aquamarine]

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Does anyone think we'll be seeing plans for a GS3 at E3 next month?

I think it's possible, but not certain. I DO think they're making GS3 fot the Rev, but we'll just have to wait and see...

[BloodPhoenix]

I think that Golden Sun 3 will be made but i don't think it will be for a while yet, and if they did make it for the revolution i'd be really disapointed, there nothing wrong with putting GS3 on the DS, i think it would fit perfectly with the DS...

[Sea of Time]

I forgot it's for the Rev. :s In that case, I doubt it will be at this year's E3 unless it is a launch title on the Rev. They will probably only be featuring their huge SSBR and other major launch titles at this year's E3. Maybe 2007.

[DarkAbyss]

if it's on the rev i'm going to have to do some serious thinking on wether to get a ps3 or a rev

[Toasty]

Well, nintendo wanted it to be a secondary consol. Like you either get Xbox 360 or PS3, and then get a rev. But in my opinion, get a rev. New gaming experience, and new games. PS3 will have new games, but not all of them will be TOTALLY new. Like they might make a new GTA, or mabey a new GT. Same with the Xbox 360. I just feel like those systems are just an upgraded copy of their predesecors. Where as the Rev brings a whole new angle to gaming, AND new games. But of course there will be sequils to some of the games for the cube, just not as much as the other consols. But hey. That's just my opinion.

Now about GS3 appearing at E3 2006. I think it could happen. If Nintendo wan'ts it to be a big hit, that's there best bet. To show it off next to the Rev. Since there is proof that Camelot has been working on a GS3, that means that they're pretty close to getting done. Becase they would be stupid to announce that early on, or in the middle, of their project. E3 2007 is too late for it 'cause it would be ready WAY befor then, and it would get better sales if presented right next to the first Rev.

[Someone Else]

You know a game is near completion once you get screenshots of gameplay and things like trailers, so in reality, it's not THAT close to completion.

[Sea of Time]

Toasty, there is no way that this game can come out before E3 2007. We have virtually no details on the console, much less the game and I think that a GS3 would definitely not be a launch title.

[TheEnglishman]

Yeah you need to take all of that into account. I think that, if GS3 was to be made, it would be a long time before it would be shown.

[Sea of Time]

I mean, we just got news that it will exist. We are several months away from any trailers or screenshots from a reputable source.

[Split Infinity]

It seems a large number of people know and love these two games. If another sequel is confirmed, it would cause quite a hush in the gaming world.

For the record, HYPER>> Magazine once reviewed Golden Sun and they gave it quite a high rating.

[Sea of Time]

Lots of magazines gave GS a very high score. It's been marked as one of the best handheld RPG's of all time.

[My Best Wishes]

Sea_of_Time, on Apr 6 2006, 01:14 AM, said:

I mean, we just got news that it will exist.

When? Last I heard Camelot or whatever were making a game for the Rev.

[Aquamarine]

Well, it hasn't exactly been confirmed that it's a GS game... as far as I know. But Camelot IS making an RPG for the Rev, which will most likely be GS3. Yay!

[Split Infinity]

I wonder if it's just another one of their Mario games. A Mario RPG...lol.

[Toasty]

Super Mario 64 was an RPG. The Role you Played in the Game was Mario. See? RPG :)

I don't remember any Mario games camelot made. But then again I don't usually look to see who made the game :P . All I remember is that Hudson made Kirby Air Ride, and Camelot made the GS series.

[TheEnglishman]

Camelot have made Mario Sports games, like Mario Golf. And they're are Mario RPGs as well like... Super Mario RPG. :P
I think that it's a bit of win-win situation with Camelot. Either they are making GS3 or they are making a different RPG, which we would probably end up playing. Everyone wins! (Unless you really wanted GS3 and it wasn't made)

[Toasty]

Well I really hope they're making a GS3, cause there's too many Q's unanswered, and if they were smart, they would make a GS3, 'cause it would sell more IMO.

[TheEnglishman]

I'm not so sure it would sell more. Most people would only buy GS3 if they had the previous two games. A new RPG can appeal to more people.

[Sea of Time]

I say that the story is over. The unanswered questions are really just enough to leave you thinking at the end of the game. Something a good story always has.

I would enjoy a new RPG a lot more.

[Gardna]

You gotta be a bigger GS fanboy :P

[Sea of Time]

Hey, I did my:

"ZOMG! GS3 IS GONNA COME OUT!" about a year ago when I saw that Camelot was looking for a game designer for an RPG.

It's been a year...and we haven't heard much more.

[Someone Else]

Sea_of_Time, on Apr 10 2006, 12:50 PM, said:

I say that the story is over. The unanswered questions are really just enough to leave you thinking at the end of the game. Something a good story always has.

Yeah I figure that too. But I can't see why we couldn't have a new story taking place in Weyard.

[Aquamarine]

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Yeah I figure that too. But I can't see why we couldn't have a new story taking place in Weyard.

I agree. It doesn't have to be about the same characters, but Camelot said in an interview a few years ago that they love the world and characters they created in GS and that they would love making another one.
Though I think it's very possible it'll be about Alex rising up and trying to take over the world blah blah blah...

[Sea of Time]

Or it could be completely new with no relation to the other stories. Which wouldn't be a bad thing, IMO. Just start all over many years later (or earlier).

[Saturos S.]

Yes, I belive I suggested that 3 times before.

But whatever happens I'd probably end up buying there RPG anyway...

[TheEnglishman]

Sea_of_Time, on Apr 13 2006, 03:22 PM, said:

Or it could be completely new with no relation to the other stories. Which wouldn't be a bad thing, IMO. Just start all over many years later (or earlier).

It makes sense to me. Then again some diehard fans of people like Alex would end up pretty annoyed. I suppose you can't please everyone.

[TheEnglishman]

Sea_of_Time, on Apr 13 2006, 03:22 PM, said:

Or it could be completely new with no relation to the other stories. Which wouldn't be a bad thing, IMO. Just start all over many years later (or earlier).

It makes sense to me. Then again some diehard fans of people like Alex would end up pretty annoyed. I suppose you can't please everyone.

[Sea of Time]

There are rumours, SS that there is going to be a GS3 on the Revolution, but as far as I know, that's all speculation right now.

[Golden Sun Master]

As much as we can all hope for a Golden Sun 3, I have a feeling there won't be one. It's been too long, with no new info, that the possibility is almost ruled out. As for a remake, I think that would be even worse. Imagine if they remade Star Wars. Wouldn't that be kind of lame? The same I believe for Golden Sun 2.

[TheEnglishman]

A remake would be ok if they made it on a different console, like DS or *sigh* Wii. It would give a chance to let people who have never played before experience the game. It would be a bad move for people like us though.

[Sea of Time]

We won't see a remake most likely until we see a GS3 first. Right now, the series isn't worth making a remake of.

Well, now that we have a pretty good idea that if there will be a GS3 it will be on the Wii, what do you expect from your gameplay, etc.?

[TheEnglishman]

Well I'd expect it to be similar to the previous games. Why mess with a winning formula?

[Sea of Time]

But do you really think turn-based battling would really fit on the Wii? I mean, the controller promotes a new style, something out of the ordinary. I would hate being limited to turn-based battles on that system.

[TheEnglishman]

Ah, I see what you mean. It would be difficult to use that type of system on the current controller. Who knows how they could do it?

[Mars Djinni]

Golden Sun Master, on May 5 2006, 05:28 PM, said:

As much as we can all hope for a Golden Sun 3, I have a feeling there won't be one. It's been too long, with no new info, that the possibility is almost ruled out. As for a remake, I think that would be even worse. Imagine if they remade Star Wars. Wouldn't that be kind of lame? The same I believe for Golden Sun 2.

I belevie the aim for Camelot to be to develop an RPG to make a comeback on Wii. If anything, Wii would be the best choice to revolutionize Golden Sun trhough the means of Alchemy. Imagine the possibilities.

[Aquamarine]

I hope that Camelot making a new GS for the *sigh* Wii is not true. I mean, it seems to me too that it'll be released for the *sigh* Wii, but I really hope it's gonna stay on the handhelds, meaning the DS.

I wonder if there will be anything about this game at E3. There must be!

[Kuraikitsune]

I thought that Camelot promised that they wouldn't make another Golden Sun, as sad as it sounded. o.o Did any rumors come out that stated otherwise?

[Toasty]

Yeah, in an interview quit a while ago, Camelot said that they loved the world of Weyard and wanted to continue the series.

Anyway, my opinion on the gameplay is that in certain areas, you will definately utilize the new Rev controller (Oui, I say rev. I hate the name wii), and in certain battles, you will get to use that feature as well. Who knows, if they make the GS3, and then say that their making a GS4, then if the new battle style goes over well in the GS3, it will show up more in the GS4. But that's if they make a GS4. I am certain that if they make GS3, there will still be the old style gameplay, but there will definately be chances for the 'new' style as well. Who knows, mabey we'll get to swing Isaac's sword around :rolleyes: .

As for the graphics, they are obviously going to be outstanding. I really hope that they show more detail in the weapons than just distincting if they're a mace, sword, etc. For example: If Isaac is using the gaia blade, it will look different than the Muramasa. Same for maces and axes, and staves. And the Gaia balde should look the same equiped to Isaac as it would equiped to Felix.

[Sea of Time]

I think from seeing other RPG's on current generation systems, that will be a given to see the weapons look different and unique.

And Mr. T, you're living in denial. It's called the Wii, not the Rev.

[Golden Sun Master]

Yes, people need to get used to the fact that it is called the Wii, no matter how hard it is for all of us. :rolleyes:

[Someone Else]

Like I said, live with it.

[Toasty]

.......Wii Wii! XD... I still don't like it. Like Ive said in another forum (I think), They would've been better calling it the pretty pink powerhouse.

[Sea of Time]

Read it and STFU

Credit to GL for the article.

Now, let's get back on topic.

[Toasty]

Already read it a looong time ago. Nothing is going to change the fact that I preffer the name revolution to Wii. I'm not going to rant and rave about how bad I think it sounds, but I still don't like it.

[Someone Else]

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/

Oh well.

I still think that the game GS3 would work best if it took place far into the future from GS2. The continents would shift, so that new places would be explored.

Don't know about the storyline.

[Golden Sun Master]

Sweet, a Kingdom Hearts 2 joke!

Party!

But yeah I hope there will be something when E3 wraps to a close... but I highly doubt it <_<.

[Toasty]

After nothing on it during E3 so far, I'm beginning to have my doubts that it will be made. But ya never know. Mabey it will end up coming out around the time SSBB will...

[Someone Else]

Maybe Camelot don't have anything concrete to show yet? Maybe they're still in the early stages of development? Don't be so pessimistic.


http://revolution.ig...015/015822.html

Notice, though, the released date says TBA (To Be Announced) 2006... this has me a little perplexed. The Wii is released sometime in November, so if this is true, then GS3 will be released PROBABLY in December. December is still a ways off, so I guess that they have enough time to get some screens and release some info sometime around summer. But I think it's far more likely that it'll really be released 2007.

[Sea of Time]

It could turn out being something like LoZ:TP where they keep delaying it to make it a better game. In any case, I can wait because there are some awesome launch titles for the Wii that should keep me busy for quite some time.

[Golden Sun Master]

http://cube.ign.com/...8/588764p1.html

Just read this - they say there will be info at e3!!!

[Toasty]

I've read it, and now I'm more hopeful. But they better give info quick, 'cause E3 ends today.

[Golden Sun Master]

It does?!?! I thought it ended Tuesday?!?

[Toasty]

Well, I'm pretty sure it ends today. But I wouldn't be surprised if it lasts longer.

[Sea of Time]

He was right, it ended on the 12th. Now, I'm not sure, but I didn't hear any news on a GS3, so what are we waiting for now?

[TheEnglishman]

Well perhaps they had some delays or something. Then again they might not be making it.

[Aquamarine]

I'm still not giving up hope for a GS3, but if they don't say ANYTHING about the game at the next E3 I will admit I've had false hope. But please, PLEASE make it!!

[Somia]

I knew about the RPG when my friedn told me 2 weeks before E3, i was gettign hoeful then, now it has just increased.

[Vermin Manaic]

I think there is a good chance there can still be a Golden Sun 3. If anyone has heard of EarthBond you know what I am saying. As for the people who don't know the game, Earthbond 2 was relased around 8 years ago(?) and they are making(or did they finsh?) Earthbound 3 after a long period of no menation about a sequal to Earthbond 2. What I am saying is that maybe a Golden Sun 3 can be released next year or 8 years from now. So don't give up any hope Golden Sun fans.

As for what system it should be released in, It think DS is the way to go. Camelot will difinitely figure out a way to use the DS's touch sensors to make Golden Sun 3 a fun game. The Gamecube and Wii aren't very good host for Golden Sun 3 because I don't think the world is ready for a 3D Golden Sun.

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, you're right about that Vermin Maniac. And It's Earthbound, with a u. Some people may know it as Mother, since that's the name in Japan. It's good you mentioned that, I totally forgot about it. This might give some people hope for a new GS.