[Caael]

I'm anxious and annoyed, because if the game freezes on my DS when I get it tomorrow, I have to send Diamond back for a refund, and lose my Chimchar =(

Edit: Lulz, gsninja's Zapdos is genderless.

[gsninja]

I know. =D Zapdos is always genderless.

I hope your game doesn't freeze, Caael. >=O

[Someone Else]

Everybody uses Chimchar. >_>

[gsninja]

That's because Chimchar's final evolution is a popular physical sweeper within competitive battling.

[Nick Presta]

gsninja, on Jun 21 2007, 04:49 PM, said:

Actually, most people accept Zapdos, and use it too. That's why it's in the Overused section of the Tier list: http://basics.pldh.net/tiers.shtml
Same here! Actually, it's something that my brother gets annoyed at me about a lot, since he just progresses through RPGs without really training. I, on the other hand, abuse training too much sometimes. >>;;

Ah, okay. I didn't know they moved Zapdos down to OU. Thanks for the link. *bookmarks*

[Golden Legacy]

^ Dare I ask why Wobbuffet and Wynaut are classified in the "uber" tier?

Hmm... I'd love to get Diamond/Pearl, but I'll just wait for the inevitable Yellow/Crystal/Emerald of this generation.

[Nick Presta]

Something to the effect of Safeguard + Encore + Mirror Coat + Counter with Shadow Tag = no weaks, no counters = whole team screwed.

[gsninja]

Yeah. Here's a basic outline of how Wobbuffet can easily destroy a Pokemon:

Charizard uses Flamethrower!
Wobbuffet uses Encore!

Charizard uses Flamethrower!
Wobbuffet uses Mirror Coat!

Charizard uses Flamethrower!
Wobbuffet uses Mirror Coat!

Enemy Charizard fainted!

[Split Infinity]

gsninja, on Jun 21 2007, 12:30 PM, said:

Yeah. Also, shiny Pokemon have less than a 1/1000 chance of appearing in your lifetime of playing Pokemon, so you can't really get your hopes up on finding one. =P I actually did find three myself, though. Twice in FireRed and once in Sapphire.

I'm not going to read the last 3 pages to find out if somebody has already said this, but a 1/1000 chance in a lifetime? It's about a 1/1000 chance per BATTLE. When you consider the hundreds of wild Pokemon you find yourself engaging, how else do you think you found three of 'em?

[gsninja]

Did I really say lifetime? Lol. XD

Yeah, it's a 1/1000 chance per or something similar to that. Most people will probably never encounter a shiny themselves, though.

[Nick Presta]

The exact odds of catching a shiny are 1 in 8192, calculating to precisely 0.01220703125 percent...

[Wiflewood]

Thats why people who continuously SR for a Shiny legend/starter have waaaay more patience than me. I've heard stories of people doing it for months and getting nowhere.

However, it seems someones found another glitch/exploit in the game which allows you to get shinys more easily:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=dkeKPlBYYbs

^Video with Instructions

Also, on the subject of helpful glitches, I don't know if its confirmed, but apparantley you can evolve your own pokemon that need to be traded to evolve (e.g Machamp, Alazakam, Golem etc), without actually trading with someone else, just by putting it up to trade on the GTS and then taking it back down again. The only problem is that someone could actually trade you for it in the 5 minutes its on the GTS, but if you request for something absurd (Lv. 100 Arseus?) then it shouldn't happen.

[Caael]

We'll see today if my game works or not. I'm hoping it will, because it hasn't frozen in the last 3 times I played it, so it might just have been the cartridge not in properly.

And do DS games freeze when you take out a gba game? That might have been it, because I was putting Zero Mission in and out when scrolling through the text, which it froze a lot on.

[gsninja]

Yes, I think they do.

[Nick Presta]

I've never had my DS game freeze when I take out/put in a GBA game. Strange...

[Caael]

They didn't earlier when I tested.

The good news is that it hasn't froze for hours, so thats good.

I'll put my code up when I get connected.

[Wiflewood]

Diamond and Pearl are sitting on my living room table waiting for me to unwrap them from the package addressed to me...

;)

Don't know which one to choose though. Seems a lot of people have diamond, so pearl pokemon *might* be a bit more in demand, but the diamond exclusives look better to me...

[Caael]

My code is:


1633 1189 6831

[Wiflewood]

Chose Diamond, Chose Chimchar, Heading to Oerburgh city (or however you spell it ;))

[gsninja]

It's spelled Oreburgh. ;)

So, uh...I got a shiny Charizard yesterday. I also finished the EV-training on my Monferno last night, so I'm raising it to evolve into my second Infernape, which will be even better.

Y'know, I have too many extra Pokemon, I'll probably start handing a couple extras of mine to everyone here who wants them. =|

[Caael]

I added you, gsninja. Tell me when you're next playing, because hopefully I will have a gravelar by then, to evolve.

[gsninja]

Ok, here are the Pokemon you can choose from:

Lv. 1 Phione
Lv. 1 Elekid w/ Rolling Kick and Brick Break.
Lv. 1 Ralts w/ PKRS
Lv. 29 Grovyle
Lv. 1 Torchic
Lv. 1 Eevee
Lv. 20 Anorith
Lv. 1 Munchlax
Lv. 16 Pichu
Lv. 14 Nosepass
Lv. 28 Shuppet
Lv. 19 Dratini
Lv. 20 Cranidos
Lv. 16 Dunsparce
Lv. 1 Charmander w/ Flamethrower

I used to have a bunch of other egg move Pokemon, but I traded them all away or evolved them, so I need to breed more of them, which'll take time. =|

[Caael]

I'm gonna go for Munchlax : D

[gsninja]

You got it. =D Lemme just try to get my shiny Charizard traded for a Dusknoir that's EV-trained. ;)

[Caael]

Okay. I'm on the connected friends thing. Never done this before, so not quite sure how it works.

I'm Tim, btw.

[gsninja]

It's pretty easy. I'll tell you what to do once I'm done.

[Caael]

Okay, thanks.

I want to find out better how the underground works. It's quite cool, and my brother will be getting pearl so i'll pwn him at it.

[gsninja]

Ok, the Charizard isn't getting traded off right now, as I thought it wouldn't. )=

Kk, I'm gonna add you to mah Pal Pad. Here's what you do:

1. Enter Wi-Fi from the bottom floor of the Pokemon Center.
2. Connect to Wi-Fi.
3. You have two options when you enter: Invite and Disconnect. Press Invite, the trade. Press X if you want to turn Voice Chat on and off.
4. Wait for me to come on. I'll apply to your name on the screen, and we'll get into the trade room.
5. Choose the Pokemon you want to trade.
6. Trade.
7. Be happy. =D

[Caael]

Oh yeah, I need a pokemon to go and trade. Heh, they all suck so you're gonna have to put up with some crap pokemon.

You can have a Zubat that I name ' Batfink' because I was bored xD

[gsninja]

Aw, it's ok. ;) Alright, I'm on, just press my name and choose apply to trade.

[Caael]

Yey, Munchlax : D

It has a cool little trade animation.

Lulz, my Monferno is ony called Chimchar because I put it in lowercase when I got him, but didn't realise that he would keep the name once he evolves.

I need a name changer : O

[gsninja]

I know, I love it. =P

[Caael]

What, the animation, or my stupidness of calling him Chimchar?

[gsninja]

The animation. XP

I forgot where the name rater is. You'll find him eventually.

[Nick Presta]

The name rater is in Eterna City, IIRC. His house should be that large mansion-like thing beside the Pokemart.

[Lemontime]

gsninja, on Jun 23 2007, 07:46 AM, said:

Ok, here are the Pokemon you can choose from:

Lv. 1 Phione
Lv. 1 Elekid w/ Rolling Kick and Brick Break.
Lv. 1 Ralts w/ PKRS
Lv. 29 Grovyle
Lv. 1 Torchic
Lv. 1 Eevee
Lv. 20 Anorith
Lv. 1 Munchlax
Lv. 16 Pichu
Lv. 14 Nosepass
Lv. 28 Shuppet
Lv. 19 Dratini
Lv. 20 Cranidos
Lv. 16 Dunsparce
Lv. 1 Charmander w/ Flamethrower

I used to have a bunch of other egg move Pokemon, but I traded them all away or evolved them, so I need to breed more of them, which'll take time. =|

Dratini Elekid Nosepass Shuppet Cranidos and Phione Plx... ;)

[Nyktos]

Wiflewood, on Jun 22 2007, 01:51 AM, said:

Also, on the subject of helpful glitches, I don't know if its confirmed, but apparantley you can evolve your own pokemon that need to be traded to evolve (e.g Machamp, Alazakam, Golem etc), without actually trading with someone else, just by putting it up to trade on the GTS and then taking it back down again. The only problem is that someone could actually trade you for it in the 5 minutes its on the GTS, but if you request for something absurd (Lv. 100 Arseus?) then it shouldn't happen.

Nope. Tried with Kadabra.

[Toasty]

You have to trade kadabra to evolve it?

I haven't been playing Diamond as much lately since I just bought another game that's awesomer, but it doesn't matter sonce I still have no wi-fi.

[EDIT] And can someone explain to me what EV training is, and where to get the pokeradar?

[Caael]

Nick Presta, on Jun 22 2007, 11:55 PM, said:

The name rater is in Eterna City, IIRC. His house should be that large mansion-like thing beside the Pokemart.

Found him, thanks

[gsninja]

I'll just copy and paste my explanation from another forum. ;)

Welcome! For those of you too lazy and/or unwilling to go to GameFAQs or search for another guide, this is the place to look at if you have questions about the basics of IVs and EVs!

Let's start with IVs!~

IVs, otherwise known as Individual Values, are points that are calculated from the moment a Pokemon is caught, given to you by an in-game character, or hatched from an egg. IVs are a working force behind the wellness of the growths in a Pokemon's stats.

The IVs range from 0 points to 31 points. If the IV of a stat is at 0, the stat will grow quite badly. If at 31, however, the stat will grow much better. To determine a Pokemon's IVs, you can use an IV Calculator from several different Pokemon sites. Here's the calculator from Serebii:

http://www.serebii.n...iv-calcdp.shtml

IVs can totally change how a Pokemon grows! Remember that!

Now, onto EVs!~

EVs, short for Effort Values, are points a Pokemon gains from fighting a Pokemon. Take a Bidoof for example, a Pokemon that gives 1 HP Point for every time you knock it out. Every 4 EVs, let's say in Attack, will raise the Attack stat by 1 point. therefore, 4 EVs = 1 more point in a stat. The biggest amount of EVs a Pokemon may have in a stat is 255. That means a whopping 63 additional points in one stat! However, the greatest amount of EVs a Pokemon can have overall is 510. That means you can only fully train two stats, so choose carefully!

Also, do you remember the vitamins like Protein and Calcium? One dosage gives 10 EVs to their respective stat (Protein in Attack, etc.). A Pokemon can only consume 10 of each vitamin, though, so you must train for the rest of the 155 EVs yourself! The vitamins are as follows:

HP Up - HP
Protein - ATK
Iron - DEF
Calcium - SP ATK
Zinc - SP DEF
Carbos - SPD

There are also certain berries that deplete 10 EVs from a stat! These can be used for taking a mis-EV-trained Pokemon and fixing it for the better! The berries that lower the stats are:

Pomeg - HP
Kelpsy - ATK
Qualot - DEF
Hondew - SP ATK
Grepa - SP DEF
Tamato - SPD

To conclude this presentation, just note that IV/EV training is pretty much necessary for competitive battling, since virtually everyone online WILL use awesome IV Pokemon that were EV-trained to hell and back, and with the right nature as well. If in-game, this isn't necessary, since the in-game Trainers don't EV-train.

So, before you go into competitive battling...remember these tips. Thank you, readers, have a nice day.

[Wiflewood]

OK, I reached Eterna city. Current team:

Monferno lvl 20
Geodude lvl 20
Geodude lvl 20


gsninja, couple of things about the trading: 1, are all the pokemon legit (not hacked?) and 2, is it possible to trade over the internet for non sinnoh dex pokemon before getting the national dex? cos if so I would really really like that Torchic you're offering. :P

EDIT: Added a card to my sig to show my progress. It shows my current team, their levels (behind their pictures, not very clear I know, I'll move em somewhere else on version 2), Their names underneath the pictures (Yeah I give em weird names. The first number is the species (so Geodude is the 3rd species of pokemon I caught), and the second number is the pokemon of that species (so the geodudes I'm using are the 6th and 7th geodudes I caught - I was after a specific natures) Yeah it sounds stupid but (for me) just makes it easier to select the ones I want in the PC.

Be awesome if you could rename your torchic to one that fits in with my style if you're gonna trade it to me gs ;)

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7590/trainercardjc9.png

[Nick Presta]

Why do you have two Geodudes? ;)

[Caael]

1 male, 1 female?

But really, the females should be called Geodudette.

[Wiflewood]

Yeah they are actually :0

but I didn't catch them specficically 1 male 1 female, I was after natures.

Did you know you can get female Mr.Mime?

[Folcon]

Thats f'ed up man. but funny.

[Nyktos]

I know someone who has a male Mrs. Mime.

[Caael]

But that way they changed the name. It's more odd when it's a female mr mime. Transvestite?

[Toasty]

Nick Presta, on Jun 23 2007, 09:13 AM, said:

Why do you have two Geodudes? ;)

For the same reason I have two Machops. Their different skills and natures can be used to cover diferent situations. I have one machop that won't ever miss, and has the right moves to land a lot of criticals. Combine that with a nature that increases the attack by a lot, and you have a heavy hitter that'll never miss. My other has a nature that gives average attack, but a lot of defense. I don't use him often, so I don't remember what its skill is.

And I think I'll try beating EV trainers before I start EV training to see if it's really worth it. :P

[Caael]

Does anybody know when a Luxio evolves? I know it evolves 3 times, but I dont know when.

Heh, I called my Shinx Mouse Lad.

[gsninja]

Luxio evolves at level 30 into Luxray.

[Someone Else]

^ Yep. Mine evolved to Luxray just today.

I've been meaning to ask. Is it just me, or do critical hits land more often in this game? My whole team was nearly whiped out once because some Onix got lucky and landed critical hits consecutively like, 4 times in a row.

[Toasty]

Well I'd say yes, but I tend to use karate chop often. ;)

Nah, I don't think they do. It's just a really rare occurance the RNG spat out at you in an unconvinient way.

Is Cranidon and Shieldon(sp?) exclusive to Pearl? Because they don't show up anywhere for me.

[Nick Presta]

Mr.T, on Jun 23 2007, 04:57 PM, said:

For the same reason I have two Machops. Their different skills and natures can be used to cover diferent situations. I have one machop that won't ever miss, and has the right moves to land a lot of criticals. Combine that with a nature that increases the attack by a lot, and you have a heavy hitter that'll never miss. My other has a nature that gives average attack, but a lot of defense. I don't use him often, so I don't remember what its skill is.

And I think I'll try beating EV trainers before I start EV training to see if it's really worth it. ;)

Yes, but you lose type coverage. It would be better to have another Pokemon that is similar to Machop that has an Adamant nature and good typing (and good type coverage). Two pokemon that are the same are easy to sweep with ONE counter versus two pokemon that may need TWO counters.

[Wiflewood]

Theres no real reason I chose 2 Geodudes, aside from the fact that they're a pretty good pokemon to have at the start of the game (strong against normal, flying, and have rock,ground and fighting moves), and nothing else really took my fancy.

Also, as me and my brother started at the same time, we've decided to treat each other a bit like a '2nd rival', and battling each other each day.

I won the first match in Eterna city ;)

My team was:

Geodude lvl 20
Geodude lvl 20
Monferno lvl 20

and he had:

Meditite lvl 13
Onix lvl 20
Grotle lvl 23

It was a pretty hard match but I managed to win in the end. Hope I can do so again today. I'm gonna add another pokemon to my team, probably a Mothim.

[Caael]

I spent a good part of last night getting all of my pokemon to level 30. For the gym leaders, I make sure my pokemon are that level, eg, for the first Gym leader, level 10, for the second, 20, 3rd, 30 etc.

[Wiflewood]

8th gym leader - lvl 80?

Thats a bit overkill ;)

Hmmm. Mothim or steel-type Wormadam?

[Caael]

Where are you, Wifle? Mothim? Wormadam? Where do you get them?

[Wiflewood]

Eterna city

They're evolutions of Burmy, which you can get from spreading honey on trees. Mothim evolves from a male burmy, Wormadam evolves from a female, and you can change wormadan's type by battling burmy in different places before it evolves (forest --> grass type wormadam, mountains --> ground type wormadam, city --> steel type wormadam)

I've decided to go search for a fossil in the underground instead. Does anyone know how long it takes the guy to ressurect the pokemon? is it 12 hours or a step out of building/step in to building?

[Caael]

Oh yeah, I should take the fossil to the guy. I'm not sure how long it takes though, but i'm guessing it's not walk in or out.

[gsninja]

Actually, all you need to do is give the fossil to the guy, walk out, then walk back in. He'll be done. =D Jusst make sure you have an extra slot in your party so he can give you the Pokemon.

[Caael]

Ahh, okay. Thanks, i'm on my way now.

Yeyz, my Shellos evolved. : D.

[Wiflewood]

Gaaahhh fossils are really hard to find :P. Searched for about 2 hours. I think I found one once but I couldn't tell because the wall collapsed before I'd finished. :smile:

Suppose someone wouldn't trade me a spare one? Shield fossil preferably but I'll take a skull one if not

It would be reeeaaaaaaaalllly helpful of you *puppy eyes*

Anyway, current team:

Geodude lvl 23
Geodude lvl 23
Monferno lvl 22
Drifloon lvl 22
Mothim lvl 20

I know Drifloon are only meant to be catchable on fridays, but I changed my DS' calendar so I could get one today ;)
Gosh I'm bad.

They come wild at lvl 22 as well which is pretty good.
Also trained that burmy up to level 20 so it evolved into Mothim. Probably won't keep him on the team though.

[Caael]

I couldn't find a shield one, but I have a spare skull fossil that I can trade you. Can you trade items anyway?

[Wiflewood]

Yeah, by attatching them to pokemon.

Assuming fossils aren't key items are they?

Anyway it'd be more helpful to me if you could ressurect it first (and name it, it'd be awesome if I could choose the name as well), because if you trade me the pokemon instead of the fossil then it'll have your trainer ID and so will get extra EXP when I level it up

Lemme know if you wanna go through, would be a big help ;)

Not sure what I could offer you in return, as I've not got any good items or powerful things really. I caught an Aipom from a honey tree today though, you could have that if you want, they're pretty rare, and its evolution isn't that bad either.

[Caael]

Aipom sounds good. I'll get it into a pokemon first. I need your friend code too.


...What town is the fossil bloke in?

[Wiflewood]

Oreburgh, hes the scientist in the coal mining museum

come on msn now and I'll talk to you about it.

[Wiflewood]

Haha, dude WTF, someone just traded me one :/

but it wasn't you :/

[Folcon]

I still can't decide between dimond and pearl. I know more people have dimond, so pearl is the better chice for trades, but I think the legendary on dimond looks cooler, so I might go with that. Although, I don't use legendaries that often, except for strong ones to take on the elite four with for the first time or two. After that, I hardly use them at all.

[Wiflewood]

I think the eclusives to diamond are a lot better.

You get Tyranitar over Salamence
Aggron over Walrein
Skuntank over Purugly

And Ramparados over Bastiodon

and if anyone was wondering why me and Caael were using GTS to trade its because it wouldn't connect via friend code for some reason.

kept getting a communication error, even when we both had full signal.

[Folcon]

What the fudge is a Skuntank and a Purugly?

[Caael]

Skuntank is a skunk, and purugly is a cat ( a fat one)

[Nick Presta]

Both legendaries on D/P suck.

[Someone Else]

Wind Dude, on Jun 23 2007, 06:31 PM, said:

I've been meaning to ask. Is it just me, or do critical hits land more often in this game? My whole team was nearly whiped out once because some Onix got lucky and landed critical hits consecutively like, 4 times in a row.

Would someone answer this? Do critical hits happen more in D/P?

[Folcon]

From what I've seen, most of the new pokemon suck. Whichever I get, I'll just win as soon as I can so I can bring in my good stuff from my other games, Blastoise, Blazakin, Dragonite, Machamp, Alakazam, and Gengar. Its a good mix of a team. Not to mention a Lugia and soon a Ho-Ho, as well as a legit Mew.

[Toasty]

Piplup or whatever it's called evolves into a decently looking (as in not retarded) poke, and it's stats really start to show hlfway into the second evolution.

And may I ask how you got all three of those ledgendaries?

[Folcon]

Lugia - pokemon XD Gale of Darkness
Ho-Ho - pokemon colisium, (hardest to get, capture and purify all shadow pokemon, then beat Mt. battle in both story mode and battle mode. Ho-Ho is then rewarded to you)
Mew - give away at a local toys 'R' us

[gsninja]

You can also just trade for them if you can't get them yourself. :agitated:

[Caael]

I beat the fourth gym leader before the third.

I feel big inside.

[Toasty]

Current team:
lvl 39 Empoleon
lvl 38 Luxray
lvl 37 Machoke
lvl 35 Staraptor
lvl 38 Ponyta (what level does it evolve at?)
lvl 32 Lucario

Best stats:
Empoleon: 94 Def. 112 Sp. Atk. 90 Sp. Def.
Luxray: 108 Atk. 91 Sp. Atk.
Machoke: 101 Atk.
Staraptor: 103 Atk. 83 Speed
Ponyta: 82 Atk. 86 Speed
Lucario: 77 Atk. 73 Speed

Luxray and Machoke are my main attackers, Staraptor is my secondary because of it's speed and attack (Lucario will join in that position whe it's caught up) and I only use Ponyta when the types I'm going against call for fire since it's stats kinda suck. But it's the only fire type I have so...

[Wiflewood]

Ponyta evolves at 40. Its also the only fire type before the elite 4 besides from the starter Chimchar.

Bit rubbish that if you ask me :/

[gsninja]

I think it's rubbish, too. =| There's a huge lack of Fire types in Sinn'oh, so it's really depressing. D=

[Toasty]

If it finally evolves, it might turn out to not be so bad, but I'll be good once I can transfer over my Charizard from FR and lvl 100 Blaziken from Ruby (trained with the macho brace and fed carbos).

[Caael]

Wifle needs to update his sig.

[gsninja]

Lol.

Caael, thanks to the Zubat you traded me for the Munchlax, I won a PP Up at the lottery. =D

[Caael]

Hooray : D

I feel wanted in life.

What is odd about Diamond is the lack of rare candies. In the old games I would have found several by now, but this time, nothing. Anybody know where they are?

[Lemontime]

Gotcha! Palkia was caught!


OH YEAH! I AM TEH WIN PIMP!

[gsninja]

Congrats on the Palkia, Lemon. =D

Caael, on Jun 25 2007, 11:36 PM, said:

What is odd about Diamond is the lack of rare candies. In the old games I would have found several by now, but this time, nothing. Anybody know where they are?

I don't know exactly where they are. I think I only found one or two in the entire game instead of the usual seven at least. =|

[Caael]

watch, on Jun 18 2007, 11:06 AM, said:

I have the lv32 form of the Beginning Grass Pokemon and not the 2nd badge yet :agitated:

Seriously(Sp?) though, I can get any Pokemon for you guys. Any Pokemon, I just got a Bulbasuar and Mew.
Just name the Pokemon, the moves, level, stats you want, items, where you met it, who met it, it's name, contests won, place met, level met at, gender, what ball it was caught with, what ribbons it has. Hell, anything you want I can get it with.
But really, I need the pokemon name, what you want it to be called, it's stats, moves and level. Everything else is not needed if you don't want it.

Just pm/email me, or email to say you added msn, I don't go on it much, and give me the details and friend code etc.

Arceus. I'll never get it, because it's japan only. I'll PM about it.

[Someone Else]

Is it just me or is there a real lack of fire pokemon in Diamond?

[Caael]

There is. If you dont choose Chimchar, you're pretty much screwed.

[Wiflewood]

Yeah, as stated before, Its Chimchar or Ponyta in the Sinnoh dex.

If course thats not stopping you just getting a different type and teaching it fire moves. Skuntank learns Flamethrower by level-up I believe, if you don't want to waste a spot in your squad using Rapidash.

[Folcon]

Well, I know who I'll chose as my starter then.

[Caael]

Update sig, wifle.

[Wiflewood]

Yeah, will do it now.

Is it just me or is there hardly anywhere where you can use Escape ropes?

I've just tried to use one in the lost tower and it didn't let me. And I'm certain I could use one in the pokemon tower in Leaf Green.

[Folcon]

I never really used them tbh. I jusr fought my way out of whatever area I was in.

[Wiflewood]

Updated. New Layout. Makes it easier to edit.

Its transparent as well. woop.

The Cranidos is one I got over GTS. I'm gonna scrap my naming system from now on. Too much hassle.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Wiflewood/TEAM.png

[gsninja]

That's a hot sig. =P

I traded my shiny Charizard for a shiny Gallade two days ago. It's pretty badass, and it has some pretty good moves. I have to question if it's hacked or not because it's name is really weird, as in...

Go, GALLADE !

The unused spaces of the name have all been used up by blank spaces, so I hope that the guy who first had it just did that with the Name Rater. >>

[Wiflewood]

Have a look at it's ID number and place/level of capture. If the ID number is something like 12345 or the aqquired level is really low, then its a good indicator its been hacked.

[gsninja]

Wiflewood, on Jun 26 2007, 02:15 PM, said:

Have a look at it's ID number and place/level of capture. If the ID number is something like 12345 or the aqquired level is really low, then its a good indicator its been hacked.

All of that information looks correct. Actually, if the level of capture's really low, it doesn't always mean the Pokemon is hacked. I mean, it says it came at level 4 from Route 204; if you use the Poke Radar in the grass on that route, you can find a Ralts at level 4, so yeah.

[Split Infinity]

Out of curiosity, has anybody here ever completed any of their Pokedex's?

[gsninja]

I have in the Red version and Gold version. I almost completed it in Sapphire, but I'm only halfway through Diamond's Pokedex. D=

[Split Infinity]

I'm about 2/3 of the way in my LeafGreen version, but without Colliseum, I'm doomed anyway.

[Nick Presta]

gsninja, on Jun 26 2007, 04:34 PM, said:

That's a hot sig. =P

I traded my shiny Charizard for a shiny Gallade two days ago. It's pretty badass, and it has some pretty good moves. I have to question if it's hacked or not because it's name is really weird, as in...

Go, GALLADE !

The unused spaces of the name have all been used up by blank spaces, so I hope that the guy who first had it just did that with the Name Rater. >>

He used a PokeSAV to generate that Pokemon. As long as it's stats are legit though, I wouldn't worry.

[gsninja]

Yeah, they are. It's Attack is maxed, and everything else looks normal, too. I'm not too fearful of hacked Pokemon, but I still get twitchy when I get one. >.o

[Caael]

Ima gonna get me an arceus when Iget my DS back : D : D : D

[Someone Else]

Wiflewood, on Jun 26 2007, 11:24 AM, said:

Yeah, as stated before, Its Chimchar or Ponyta in the Sinnoh dex.

If course thats not stopping you just getting a different type and teaching it fire moves. Skuntank learns Flamethrower by level-up I believe, if you don't want to waste a spot in your squad using Rapidash.

This really annoys me because of Ponyta's severe lack of base Defense. My Ponyta just got KO'd from a Luxio by using Bite like 3 times. You need to teach it some real overkill moves or else it's screwed.

Actually now that I think about it, there isn't a heck of a lot variation in D/P to begin with. It's all grass and bug Pokemon, basically.

[Wiflewood]

Yeah. I've not beaten the elite 4 yet, but I hope that when I get the national dex it won't be a repeat of LeafGreen.

Basically, in LG, on the islands, you could find some new johto pokemon in the grass, as well as some you've already seen. However, the new pokemon appeared in the grass at low levels (e.g 7, 10 etc), but old pokemon such as pidgey appeared along side them at ridiculous levels such as 40 or 50 (because you've beaten the elite 4 and your pokemon are expected to be of a high level), so one minute you would be walking in the grass and fight a level 7 Sentret, the next minute it could be a level 50 pidgey, which I found very implausible.

[Someone Else]

I noticed that too. Though I found that I can catch most pokemon under lv 10 with an Ultra Ball without really touching their HP.

One thing I do like about Sinnoh is that there are more Ice pokemon to be found up north whereas in previous games Ice pokemon were pretty hard to come by.

[Toasty]

^ Yeah, but they've had problems balancing out the pokemon in almost every game. Though I think you can catch a few more fire types, like growlithe, if you have a certain game installed (I have Fire Red in there right now, but I don't think that's the one).

[gsninja]

Yeah, it's FireRed. You can't catch those GBA-inserted Pokemon until you beat the Elite 4, though.

I'm scoring so many PP Ups at the lottery. It definitely pays off to trade with a bunch of people. I also got two Exp. Shares. =D

[Folcon]

@ gs, are the badges in your sig from D/P, because they look exactly like the ones from Kanto.

[gsninja]

They ARE the ones from Kanto. =D Go to www.pokecharms.com/trainercards and make your own!

[Someone Else]

Nope, those aren't D/P.

[Caael]

gsninja, on Jun 28 2007, 01:40 AM, said:

Yeah, it's FireRed. You can't catch those GBA-inserted Pokemon until you beat the Elite 4, though.

I'm scoring so many PP Ups at the lottery. It definitely pays off to trade with a bunch of people. I also got two Exp. Shares. =D

=(

I wunna exp share...

Lottery, aye? * Goes to that city that I cant remember the name of* Well thats what i'll be doing when I get my DS back.

[Someone Else]

It might be easier to buy one in the super-store that's in the same city. I think it's easier to make normal money than those coins.

Ya, you need a lot of coins. But personally, I need a pizza cause I'm frikkin' hungry right now.

[Wiflewood]

You got Fly yet Caael? You get it after you beat the 3rd Gym leader, which I think is very useful. In past games you've had to wait till about the 6/7th gym to get fly, getting it early on is a real bonus. Of course I just teach it to my HM slave.

I need a good pokemon to replace Mothim, cos it sucks. Going to look around all the trees I slathered with honey in the hopes of getting something good. *prays for female Combee*

EDIT:
UPDATE:

-Used the GTS trading. 'exploit' to evolve both my Gravelers (Geodudes evolved at lv 25)
-Got a female combee off GTS (For a Murkrow)
-Drfiloon evolved
-Have scrapped Mothim from my team.

Current team:

-Drifblim Lv. 28
-Cranidos Lv. 27
-Golem Lv. 25
-Golem Lv. 25
-Monferno Lv. 23
-Combee Lv. 6

Will update sig this afternoon.

Need to wokr on getting the 4th badge now. Once Cranidos reaches lv. 30 he'll start to disobey me.

EDIT 2:

The female combee has *horrible* stats, and a sucky nature. :/
hmm. But Vespiquen has such a cool Movepool :/

[Someone Else]

I like how they give you Fly earlier. It's a good thing because the world is pretty huge this time. There's lots of towns and most have something that makes it worth coming back to.

Spoiler

I like how they Team Galactic leader actually hands the Master Ball over to you instead of you having to find it in the base.

:agitated:

[Toasty]

SHAZAM!
http://cards.pokecharms.com/create/cfd7ff256314ddc2af9f744832c1b5d5.png
Not sure how to get their levels in there, but they range from 35 - 39.

[gsninja]

You can't put the levels in there. =P

Also, Wifle, your starter is at a lower level than I thought it would be at that point. O.o I think you should evolve it at latest right after the fourth Gym Leader. It's evolved form is VERY handy, especially in the battles later on.

I won another PP Up. =D

[Toasty]

I need to force someone to hook up our wi-fi.

[Someone Else]

One thing I don't like about D/P:

Saving a lot of data...
Don't turn off the power.

[gsninja]

I know, I hate that too.

Anyone have a shiny Mudkip? =D

[Wiflewood]

Well I decided to scrap the Combee after all. I'll probably come back to it and breed it later but at the moment I can't be bothered and I need to get a move on to catch up with my brother.

However I have found an awesome relplacement: Spiritomb :agitated:

Heres the current team:

Monferno Lv. 23
Golem Lv. 25
Golem Lv. 25
Drifblim Lv. 28
Cranidos Lv. 27
Spiritomb Lv. 25

I fought my brother again today, and he totally wiped the floor with me. I can't remember his exact levels but he only needed 2 pokemon to own my whole team:

Gyarados Lv. 31
Torterra Lv. 32

I really need to get something to beat that Gyarados. However it took out both Golems and Cranidos with Brine (WTF Is up with that move, how can brine hurt people so much?) and Drifblim with Bite.

[Someone Else]

gsninja, on Jun 28 2007, 02:13 PM, said:

I know, I hate that too.

Anyone have a shiny Mudkip? =D

No, but do you know the catch rate that a Premier Ball has? It seems to be better than a Poke Ball but not as good as a Great Ball, but I like to be sure.

Wiflewood, on Jun 28 2007, 02:19 PM, said:

However it took out both Golems and Cranidos with Brine (WTF Is up with that move, how can brine hurt people so much?) and Drifblim with Bite.

Brine is actually fairly weak, there are worse moves out there. The thing about it is that it does some bonus damage to pokemon whose HP is at half. Here's what my game says about it (my Empoleon knows it):

Category: Special
Power: 65
Accuracy: 100


If the foe's HP is down about half, this attack will hit with double the power.

The problem seems to be that you have two pokemon which are both Rock and Ground. You need an electric type or a grass type in that team. Probably grass would be your best bet; Golem can take out flying-types with rock moves.

[gsninja]

Why'd you even use your Golems and Cranidos against Gyrados? =| They were guaranteed to be wiped out, they have a weakness to Water. Especially Golem, which is Rock/Ground.

If your Monferno had evolved, it could have definitely wiped out that Torterra. >=O

[Toasty]

Wiffle, get a low level shinx with a mild nature and train it till it evolves into luxray (or luxio if you don't want to spend time getting it to lvl 30/31, can't remember). Then teach it shockwave. It'll already know Spark. I'm not sure how yours would turn out, but mine has great attack and Sp. Attack, so either of those two attacks will do great. Since Gyarados is both a water and flying type (I think, if it's only water, that's still good) then the attack will get a 6X multiplyer, takeing the attacks to 360 and 390 BA respectively. The naturally high attack and Sp. Attack will really give the attacks a power boost, and if you have trouble hitting the Gyarados, Shockwave will save you.

[Someone Else]

For that battle, yeah, Luxio would do him good against Gyrados (who is indeed flying and water) but a grass type would do him better in the long run. Since Golem is both ground and rock it gets a huge damage multiplier from water, so a grass type in his team would make up for that.

[gsninja]

You should catch a Starly/Staravia and train it to become a Staraptor. It's a great Pokemon through most of the game.

[Caael]

All the pokemon nature just confuses me. If its a pokemon, its good enough for me.

[Someone Else]

I love Rollout. Just saying.

[Nick Presta]

I want to battle someone. =(

[gsninja]

Battle me later today, then. =D I'll be back in about...7-8 hours.

[Caael]

Got my DS back. Bo-yah! Ready to get an Arceus : D

[Wiflewood]

gsninja, on Jun 28 2007, 10:35 PM, said:

Why'd you even use your Golems and Cranidos against Gyrados? =| They were guaranteed to be wiped out, they have a weakness to Water. Especially Golem, which is Rock/Ground.

If your Monferno had evolved, it could have definitely wiped out that Torterra. >=O

I don't like how they keep adding extra types to the starter's 3rd forms. Torterra is part ground so it has an advantage with Earthquake over Infernape (which is part fighting), and because it's part Fighting it has an advantage over Empoleon who is part steel.

Thats why his Torterra beat my Monferno, with earthquake.

I preffered it when the starters final forms were just Grass/Fire/Water, or at least if they had any additional types it didn't change round the basic Rock/Paper/scissors (E/g Venusaur was part Poison but it didn't give it an advantage over Charizard)

In other news, I'm gonna scrap Monferno and possibly one of the Golems from my team. I know GSninja keeps going on about how good Infernape is, but my Monferno is pretty meh, and judging by the types of pokemon the Elite 4 use it won't be that helpful their either.

Spiritomb is awesome, and so is Drifblim though (Drifblim has a ton of HP)

[Caael]

How did you get spiritomb, Wifle?

[Someone Else]

Wiflewood, on Jun 29 2007, 07:25 AM, said:

In other news, I'm gonna scrap Monferno and possibly one of the Golems from my team. I know GSninja keeps going on about how good Infernape is, but my Monferno is pretty meh, and judging by the types of pokemon the Elite 4 use it won't be that helpful their either.

Monferno might make some of the later Gym battles easier, but whatever floats your boat. My water starter wasn't doing so hot later either, but when it evolved, he's like a fricking tank as a water/steel type. What I'm saying is, the starters aren't very good until later.

I got Dialga with an Ultra Ball. Just saying. :D

[Wiflewood]

My Brother has pearl and a DS. So we just talked to each other 32 times in the Underground after putting the odd keystone in the well, and came back and Spiritomb's there, level 25.

My brother is pretty mint for stuff like that. He just let me do it whilst he was watching TV so I just sat down with both DS's and kept re-entering the underground.

I managed to do a bit of training today on the train back from Liverpool (Went to the Uni open day), and got a female combee which I bred :) So I'm gonna train that up. I put the **** combee in the daycare with my Mothim and they've both grown to Lv 34 so I'm going to use the Mothim against my brother.

Not the level 34 Vespiquen though because it's stats sucj and because it didn't evolve till level 33 it doesn't have any good moves (Gust, Sweet Scent, captivate)

Mothim learned some good ones though, Including poisonpowder, Confusion and Psybeam

Can't wait to start training up this new bred combee -> Vespiquen. It doesn't have the uber stats I was looking for, and it has a pretty rubbish defense stat which is a shame (considering thats meant to be one of the best), but it has a good Special defense to make up for it.

[Caael]

Where the hell do I get an all-exp? I want one but cant find one =(

[Toasty]

Do you mean like a rare candy? Or some amped up version of the Exp. share?

@WD, that's how it was for my Piplup. When it evolved the first time, it started to get good stats, and then when it finally evolved into Empoleon, it started to get REALLY good stats. It's good for all around defense (Sp. and normal is high), and it has great Sp. Attack.

[Someone Else]

I've found 5 rare candy so far. They do exist, they're just what they say they are. Really rare.

[gsninja]

Wiflewood, on Jun 29 2007, 07:25 AM, said:

In other news, I'm gonna scrap Monferno and possibly one of the Golems from my team. I know GSninja keeps going on about how good Infernape is, but my Monferno is pretty meh, and judging by the types of pokemon the Elite 4 use it won't be that helpful their either.

Spiritomb is awesome, and so is Drifblim though (Drifblim has a ton of HP)

Yeah, Infernape's only super-effective against a small amount of the Elite 4. Still, my Infernape destroyed over half the Elite 4. Then again, it's all up to personal preference. Use what you think will beat a Trainer. =D

And yes, Drifblim does have a ton of HP. I never bothered to evolve my Drifloon, though. XP

[Caael]

Does anybody know how to move those damn psyducks?

[Nick Presta]

First you need to go to Pastoria City and talk to the Grunt outside of the Pastoria Marsh. Follow him. You'll have to fight your rival and then head east to the beach where you'll find him again. Keep following him until he fights you. Beat him and Cynthia will come and give you the potion.

[Someone Else]

I KO'd the Drifloon outside of Valley Windworks today. Gosh darn it.

[Platinum Sun]

I have two words for you:
False Swipe.

It's a TM you can buy at the department store that always leaves your foe with 1 HP. My Kricketune knows false swipe and sing, so it's basically a pokemon catching machine.

[Folcon]

I got Diamond today. :) I can't wait to access the wi-fi features.

[Wiflewood]

Wind Dude, on Jun 30 2007, 12:19 AM, said:

I KO'd the Drifloon outside of Valley Windworks today. Gosh darn it.

Reset your DS' calendar so it's friday again :)
Thats what I did.

[gsninja]

Platinum Sun, on Jun 29 2007, 06:30 PM, said:

I have two words for you:
False Swipe.

It's a TM you can buy at the department store that always leaves your foe with 1 HP. My Kricketune knows false swipe and sing, so it's basically a pokemon catching machine.

Except that you can't use False Swipe against Ghost types, which are immune to it. =P

I wish I had a shiny Mudkip. I dunno why, I just wish. =D

[Someone Else]

I have a female Sceptile in my Sapphire and a female Blastoise in my LeafGreen. :) Lotsa breeding to go round.

[Caael]

Grr. Fantina will die! Her Mismagius pwned my level 36 Luxray twice. Unfortunately, all my other pokemon were underleveled and also got pwned. But she wont win next time. I'm training my whole party to level 40. Nyeheheh.

[Wiflewood]

Beat 'Crasher' Wake with ease. With Golem actually, which shows how crap he was :X

Now to go move those Psyduck.

[Caael]

Wake is simple. Solving the gym was harder than beating him. Luxio owned him.

[gsninja]

I just had Infernape use Close Combat on all of them. =|

[Someone Else]

I actually haven't found any of the Gym Leaders to be too tough so far. I almost could beat the ice gym leader with Golem's Rollout the first time and I wasn't even serious for that one, I knew I wouldn't win as I was too low level.

[Platinum Sun]

gsninja, on Jul 1 2007, 02:32 PM, said:

Except that you can't use False Swipe against Ghost types, which are immune to it. =P

Just use Noctowl's Foresight or Kadabra's Miracle Eye. They nullify the immunities of ghost types.

[gsninja]

Platinum Sun, on Jul 1 2007, 03:09 PM, said:

Just use Noctowl's Foresight or Kadabra's Miracle Eye. They nullify the immunities of ghost types.

True.

I didn't really find any of the Gym Leaders in this game hard. Still, it isn't possible for any other Gym Leader to be as easy as the ones in Johto. =P

[Platinum Sun]

I think that the Kanto Gym leaders in Crystal get the title of weakest gym leaders. That was the most pathetic performance I've ever seen. I'd go through entire Gyms with only one pokemon. I've done that in Diamond, (Kadabra at the Ghost and fighing Gyms, but that's no surprise.) but I had to heal sometimes inbetween all the annoying lackeys that hang out in the gym.

[gsninja]

But the lackies give experience, at least. =D

Fighting Red was so fun in G/S/C, though. Toughest in-game Trainer of all Pokemon games.

[Platinum Sun]

Oh I never said that pounding lackeys wasn't fun. I make sure to bust up every one of them before I take on the leader, even if it means failing at those incredibly difficult addition challenges.

It's a shame that Red dosn't whine when you beat him like everyone else. I enjoy watching them squirm.

[Toasty]

I remember battleing Red, but the only one of his pokemon I remembered was a lvl 70 Pikachu. I'm not sure if it was a lvl 70 though.

[Split Infinity]

Red's team consisted of:

L81 Pikachu
L73 Espeon
L75 Snorlax
L77 Venusaur
L77 Charizard
L77 Blastoise

[gsninja]

Snorlax was the one that gave me the most trouble. Lots of defense and being able to use Rest made it tedious to take down.

[Lemontime]

Lvl. 100 Empoleon. Thanks GTS!

[Someone Else]

gsninja, on Jul 1 2007, 04:02 PM, said:

I didn't really find any of the Gym Leaders in this game hard. Still, it isn't possible for any other Gym Leader to be as easy as the ones in Johto. =P

You kidding? One of the early Gym leaders (the third one?) had a Gengar who could put your Pokemon to sleep, then use Dream Eater which could probably KO you in one hit!

[Toasty]

I think it really depends on how high of level your guys are at.

And Lemon, I hope you know that it's usually better to raise them yourself, right?

Once I get wi-fi, I'm going to see if I can get a lvl 1 Prinplup (not sure if you can get both a male and female Empoleon, but if you can, then you can get a lvl 1 Prinplup, which means a LOT better stats). I might try to do that for the other two as well.

[Lemontime]

I beat the elite 4.
Yaiyz

[Someone Else]

I also have a female Blastoise on LeafGreen. I'm making shirtloads of Squirtle babies who I'm going to put onto Diamond after I beat the Elite Four (along with the Squirtle's mommy).

I can only imagine the deals that I'll be able to pull off with a Squirtle. Maybe I can get a lv 50 Palkia... or Ho-Oh, what do you guys think?

[Platinum Sun]

Just hatched squirtles will sell high. (Maybe not that high, but you can dream.) At level 1, they'll be much stronger than normal once they're trained up. Especially if you've got the cash to dope them up with vitamins right off the bat.

[Someone Else]

Well I'm hatching them in LeafGreen so they still hatch at lvl 5, but I'll bring momma Blastoise to Diamond as well so, yeah.

[Caael]

I need a good water pokemon to replace my Gastrodon which is now getting behind in levels, and not too well stated. I thought that she would be mroe of a tank who could take damage. But she cant. She cant take a rollout from a geodude 6 levels below her. Halved her health.


And I still dont understand how the fishing rod works. Not once have I caught anything.

So which water pokemon will evolve well? I'm tempted to get a Piplup over GTS, but I need recommended pokemon.

[Wiflewood]

Fishing rod is easy. When something bites your rod (You get an exclamation mark above your head), simply press A to reel it in.

Golduck's pretty swish.

[Nick Presta]

Empoleon still isn't that great. I would rather have a Swampert. =D

[Caael]

Grr! Cant connect to the goddamn internet with the DS. USB adapter it is....

[gsninja]

I liek Mudkipz. =D

I got a shiny Scizor and a non-shiny Garchomp by trading yesterday. Both are level 100 and have the stats I want, so it's all good.

[Caael]

I want uh Rampardos. Almost there. Level 26 Cranidos.

[Someone Else]

What the hell is up with Lucian?!

[Folcon]

I unlocked the wi-fi for Dimond today. Here's my friend code.

Name: Escout
1804-9265-9211

i'll also add it to my sig.

[gsninja]

Wind Dude, on Jul 2 2007, 04:33 PM, said:

What the hell is up with Lucian?!

What about him? o.o

I haven't won anything at the lottery for three days straight now. D=

[Toasty]

The defensive advantage of Empoleon over Swampert, is that grass attacks do normal damage against it, flying, psychic, bug, rock, ghost, Dragon, normal, water, And Dark deal 1/2 damage, and ice & steel attacks are cut to 1/4 of their power against it, and on top of that, poison is innefective, while Swampert takes a 4X damage multiplyer from grass attacks right off the bat, and ice and water attacks do normal damage against it. On the other hand, Swampert is entirely immune to electric attacks, and gets 1/2 damage from rock and poison, fire, and steel attacks, while Empoleon takes a 2X damage multiplyer from electric, fighting, ground, attacks right off the bat, normal damage from fire.

The offensive Advantage of Empoleon over Swampert, is that Empoleon can do up to 3X damage to fire, ground, and Ice, and can do 3X damage to rock two times over (water and steel attacks are super effective), while Swampert does only 3/4 damage to water, bug, and dragon, and both of it's types do 3/4 damage to Grass. On the other hand, Swampert can do up to 3X damage to ground, electic, poison, and steel, and 3X damage two times over to both Fire and Rock, while Empoleon does only 3/4 times damage to electric, grass, dragon, and steel, and both types do only 3/4 damage to water.

If there was an attack that was affiliated with all types, and you used it on Empoleon and Swampert, Empoleon would take an average of 3/4096 (.000732421875) times normal damage, but since it is only affected by 16/17 types (no damage from poison attacks), it takes an average of 3/4352 times normal damage instead. Swampert would take an average of 1/4 (.25) times normal damage, but because it is only affected by 16/17 types (no damage from electric attacks), then it is brought down to 16/68ths (just use a calculator for the decimal, preferably Windows' calculator) times normal damage . This is all because the Steel type has great defense against a very wide range of types, and the ground type has great defense against only two.

Judging by that, Empoleon is a much better defensive player when it's personality and types give it more Defense (steel type) and Sp. Defense (personality).

If there were a pokemon affilliated with all types, and Empoleon and Swampert attacked with an attack that dealt damage affiliated with both of their types, then Empoleon would deal an average of 177147/4096 (do it on the calculator for the decimal) times normal damage, while Swampert would deal 177147/1024 (use calculator for decimal), nearly 4 times as much damage as Empoleon.

Judging by that, Swapert is a much better attacker when given the right personality.

Over all, Swampert is your big guns while Empoleon is your iron defense. It just depends on what kind of strategy you prefer. But all of this doesn't include the moves that they learn either, or their base growth stats (before personality).

[EDIT] And I found out all of this with the help of Pokemon Colleseum's "Pokemon Combat Chart" Windows' calculator, and my won brain.
...
And some paper and pencil.

[Someone Else]

You put a lot of thought into that, good work. I also have to wonder why you haven't been ripping my sprites if you had time to do all that. :)

[Toasty]

Heh, yeah....<.<; I just finished the base of Mt. Aleph though, and I'm also covering all of the easy rooms.

[Folcon]

Mr.T, on Jul 2 2007, 08:51 PM, said:

The defensive advantage of Empoleon over Swampert, is that grass attacks do normal damage against it, flying, psychic, bug, rock, ghost, Dragon, normal, water, And Dark deal 1/2 damage, and ice & steel attacks are cut to 1/4 of their power against it, and on top of that, poison is innefective, while Swampert takes a 4X damage multiplyer from grass attacks right off the bat, and ice and water attacks do normal damage against it. On the other hand, Swampert is entirely immune to electric attacks, and gets 1/2 damage from rock and poison, fire, and steel attacks, while Empoleon takes a 2X damage multiplyer from electric, fighting, ground, attacks right off the bat, normal damage from fire.

The offensive Advantage of Empoleon over Swampert, is that Empoleon can do up to 3X damage to fire, ground, and Ice, and can do 3X damage to rock two times over (water and steel attacks are super effective), while Swampert does only 3/4 damage to water, bug, and dragon, and both of it's types do 3/4 damage to Grass. On the other hand, Swampert can do up to 3X damage to ground, electic, poison, and steel, and 3X damage two times over to both Fire and Rock, while Empoleon does only 3/4 times damage to electric, grass, dragon, and steel, and both types do only 3/4 damage to water.

If there was an attack that was affiliated with all types, and you used it on Empoleon and Swampert, Empoleon would take an average of 3/4096 (.000732421875) times normal damage, but since it is only affected by 16/17 types (no damage from poison attacks), it takes an average of 3/4352 times normal damage instead. Swampert would take an average of 1/4 (.25) times normal damage, but because it is only affected by 16/17 types (no damage from electric attacks), then it is brought down to 16/68ths (just use a calculator for the decimal, preferably Windows' calculator) times normal damage . This is all because the Steel type has great defense against a very wide range of types, and the ground type has great defense against only two.

Judging by that, Empoleon is a much better defensive player when it's personality and types give it more Defense (steel type) and Sp. Defense (personality).

If there were a pokemon affilliated with all types, and Empoleon and Swampert attacked with an attack that dealt damage affiliated with both of their types, then Empoleon would deal an average of 177147/4096 (do it on the calculator for the decimal) times normal damage, while Swampert would deal 177147/1024 (use calculator for decimal), nearly 4 times as much damage as Empoleon.

Judging by that, Swapert is a much better attacker when given the right personality.

Over all, Swampert is your big guns while Empoleon is your iron defense. It just depends on what kind of strategy you prefer. But all of this doesn't include the moves that they learn either, or their base growth stats (before personality).

[EDIT] And I found out all of this with the help of Pokemon Colleseum's "Pokemon Combat Chart" Windows' calculator, and my won brain.
...
And some paper and pencil.

Ouch, my head. I get it, I think, but it sure is complicated sounding to my tired brain.

[Toasty]

And I didn't even pay attention in either of my two math classes. :)

[EDIT] Whoops, I miss calculated Empoleon's defensive capabilities. I'll have to fix that, but I already know that Empoleon will still come out on top.

Mr.T, on Jul 2 2007, 05:51 PM, said:

The defensive advantage of Empoleon over Swampert, is that grass attacks do normal damage against it, flying, psychic, bug, rock, ghost, Dragon, normal, water, And Dark deal 1/2 damage, and ice & steel attacks are cut to 1/4 of their power against it, and on top of that, poison is innefective, while Swampert takes a 4X damage multiplyer from grass attacks right off the bat, and ice and water attacks do normal damage against it. On the other hand, Swampert is entirely immune to electric attacks, and gets 1/2 damage from rock and poison, fire, and steel attacks, while Empoleon takes a 2X damage multiplyer from electric, fighting, ground, attacks right off the bat, normal damage from fire.

The offensive Advantage of Empoleon over Swampert, is that Empoleon can do up to 3X damage to fire, ground, and Ice, and can do 3X damage to rock two times over (water and steel attacks are super effective), while Swampert does only 3/4 damage to water, bug, and dragon, and both of it's types do 3/4 damage to Grass. On the other hand, Swampert can do up to 3X damage to ground, electic, poison, and steel, and 3X damage two times over to both Fire and Rock, while Empoleon does only 3/4 times damage to electric, grass, dragon, and steel, and both types do only 3/4 damage to water.

If there was an attack that was affiliated with all types, and you used it on Empoleon and Swampert, Empoleon would take an average of 3/2048 (.00146484375) times normal damage, but since it is only affected by 16/17 types (no damage from poison attacks), it takes an average of 3/2176 times normal damage instead. Swampert would take an average of 1/4 (.25) times normal damage, but because it is only affected by 16/17 types (no damage from electric attacks), then it is brought down to 16/68ths (just use a calculator for the decimal, preferably Windows' calculator) times normal damage . This is all because the Steel type has great defense against a very wide range of types, and the ground type has great defense against only two.

Judging by that, Empoleon is a much better defensive player when it's personality and types give it more Defense (steel type) and Sp. Defense (personality).

If there were a pokemon affilliated with all types, and Empoleon and Swampert attacked with an attack that dealt damage affiliated with both of their types, then Empoleon would deal an average of 177147/4096 (just use a calculator for the decimal) times normal damage, while Swampert would deal 177147/1024 (use calculator for decimal), nearly 4 times as much damage as Empoleon.

Judging by that, Swapert is a much better attacker when given the right personality.

Over all, Swampert is your big guns while Empoleon is your iron defense. It just depends on what kind of strategy you prefer. But all of this doesn't include the moves that they learn either, or their base growth stats (before personality).

[EDIT] And I found out all of this with the help of Pokemon Colleseum's "Pokemon Combat Chart" Windows' calculator, and my won brain.
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And some paper and pencil.

I put everything I changed in bold.

[Nick Presta]

I agree with your analysis.
However, Swampert's base 100 HP is better than Empoleon's 84 and 12 HP goes longer than 2 extra defense points.

I do agree that Empoleon is a better special sponge but you really shouldn't be using either with their average/slightly above average special defense and while you can switch in Empoleon to take a Toxic/Sludge Bomb, the electric immunity is awesome, especially when you can EQ it back for massive damage. Swampert gets STAB EQ, Stone Edge, and as usually, Protect, Rest and Sleep Talk (Empoleon gets Protect, Rest and ST too).
Empoleon gets Grass Knot, Aerial Ace and a couple Steel Attacks (Steel Wing is the only decent steel attack Empoleon can learn).

If I had to take one as a tank, I would choose Empoleon but with much better alternatives most of the time, I still prefer Swampert.

Great analysis.

[Wiflewood]

Blastoise - Mirror Coat :(

[Someone Else]

I'm trying to train my team for the Elite Four. I'm going to use Roselia (lv 35 currently) Rapidash (lv 40 currently) this time.

I've got Honchkrow lv 46, Luxray Lv 47, Empoleon lv 48, and Dialga Lv 48.

Anyways, I dunno where to train. Diamond doesn't have clumps of trainers to use the Vs. Seeker on like in FireRed/LeafGreen, or the Pokenav like in R/S which conveniently tells you who wants to battle and where.

Where should I train?

[Platinum Sun]

Your best bet is to just wander around in victory road. That's what I'm doing now and its gotten most of my team into the fifties. (That's how I found out about a lot of treasure that I missed first run.) It's also a good benchmark. If you can get through Victory road without breaking a sweat, you're ready for the elite four.

Since your Roselia is way underleveled at this point, another suggestion might be that you give exp. share to another pokemon, and lead with Roselia while surfing around sea routes. Then switch the Exp. SHare when the holder levels up. All the encounters will be water pokemon so Roselia will always have the type advantage to smash through them like a Chuck Norris Round-House through a cracker. Maybe even Vs. seeker some swimmers. You'll still have the advantage and your step counter rises quite quickly while you're surfing for fast charges.

If you get bored with that, try the cops outside the Mansion after dark, most of them are up for getting their asses handed to them over and over.

[Split Infinity]

Are we still allowed to talk about Advance generation games here?

[Someone Else]

Go for it, all the other Pokemon topics are dead.

[Toasty]

I'd also like to point out that type wise, a dragon/steel type (Dialga) is the absolute best at takeing damage. The ONLY supereffective attacks (2X damage, not 4X) are fighting and ground, and the only unneffected attacks (normal damage) are Fire, Ice, and Dragon. All other attack types do 1/2 damage. That means 12/17 types are weak against it. Of course, you could always argue that a ground water is better since it only has one weakness (grass, but it's SUPER super effective with a 4X damage multiplyer), and then is immune to electric attacks, but it's not as strong against so many types, and even though poison attacks aren't extremely popular or as common as electric attacks, steel is immune to poison attacks.

Basically, Water/Ground has a 4X weakness and is immune to electric, but Dragon/Steel has two 2X weaknesses, is immune to poison, and then on top of that is resistant to 12/17 types.

I should make a guide on gameFAQ's. :(

[EDIT]

Platinum Sun, on Jul 3 2007, 04:59 PM, said:

Your best bet is to just wander around in victory road. That's what I'm doing now and its gotten most of my team into the fifties. (That's how I found out about a lot of treasure that I missed first run.) It's also a good benchmark. If you can get through Victory road without breaking a sweat, you're ready for the elite four.

Since your Roselia is way underleveled at this point, another suggestion migh be that you give exp. share to another pokemon, and lead with Roselia while surfing around sea routes. All the encounters will be water pokemon so Roselia will always have the type advantage to punch through them like a Chuck Norris Round-House through a cracker. Maybe even Vs. seeker some swimmers. You'll still have the advantage and your step counter rises quite quickly while you're surfing for fast charges.

If you get bored with that, try the cops outside the Mansion after dark, most of them are up for getting their asses handed to them over and over.

Or you could give Roselia the Exp. Share and fight through victory road. It's better to find trainers though, since trained pokemon give more Exp. than wild ones.

[gsninja]

Mr.T, on Jul 3 2007, 08:12 PM, said:

I'd also like to point out that type wise, a dragon/steel type (Dialga) is the absolute best at takeing damage. The ONLY supereffective attacks (2X damage, not 4X) are fighting and ground, and the only unneffected attacks (normal damage) are Fire, Ice, and Dragon. All other attack types do 1/2 damage. That means 12/17 types are weak against it. Of course, you could always argue that a ground water is better since it only has one weakness (grass, but it's SUPER super effective with a 4X damage multiplyer), and then is immune to electric attacks, but it's not as strong against so many types, and even though poison attacks aren't extremely popular or as common as electric attacks, steel is immune to poison attacks.

Basically, Water/Ground has a 4X weakness and is immune to electric, but Dragon/Steel has two 2X weaknesses, is immune to poison, and then on top of that is resistant to 12/17 types.

I should make a guide on gameFAQ's. :(

All that stuff is quite obvious when you know your type match-ups, liek you and me. =D GameFAQs already has a guide on types, though.

I really want to make a Pokemon D/P walkthrough, but that'd take too long. D=

[Caael]

Platinum Sun, on Jul 4 2007, 12:59 AM, said:

Your best bet is to just wander around in victory road. That's what I'm doing now and its gotten most of my team into the fifties. (That's how I found out about a lot of treasure that I missed first run.) It's also a good benchmark. If you can get through Victory road without breaking a sweat, you're ready for the elite four.

If you get bored with that, try the cops outside the Mansion after dark, most of them are up for getting their asses handed to them over and over.

Lulz, half my team are level 40 and i'm only on the fifth badge. Infernape, Staraptor and Luxray, all level 40. I'm raising my Kricketot quite fast as well as i'm hoping he turns out well, and my Cranidos is coming along nicely, almost ready to evolve.

[Split Infinity]

The most awesome thing happened in LeafGreen the other day. I was wandering around Route 3 looking for a male Nidoran when I happened to run into my version's Entei. Unfortunately my pwnage Mewtwo was first in my party, and I didn't want to risk killing it, so I tossed an Ultra Ball in the off chance that I would catch it. And I did. And it was awesome.

And then I managed to catch a ton of Safari Zone Pokemon, including a Nidoran. :(

Still haven't found a Chansey though...

[Toasty]

I'm not sure if any of you know this, but I wouldn't be surprised if you all did. But since the second gen, probably even the first, there's been a little trick that gives a normal pokeball a near masterball catch rate. The trick is, is that if you press and hold up on the D-Pad and B at the same time JUST before the ball hit's it's target (I'm talking about like 1/2 a second here) then the pokeball has a much higher catch rate. I know Dialga has a catch rate of 30 right off the bat, versus most ledgendaries 10, but I only had to whittle it's HP down to 2/3 to catch it with this technique. I've also caught many lvl 20's and 30's at full health doing this. It doesn't always work, but most of the time, at least as long as you do it right, it does. So the next time a ledgendary eludes you, try this.

And also, I take back my previous statement about the Dragon/Steel type. Ghost/Dark is WAY better.

[gsninja]

Ghost/Dark Pokemon have no weaknesses. The only two that are Ghost/Dark are Sableye and Spiritomb. Although Sableye is a rather pathetic Pokemon, Spiritomb's actually somewhat good.

Toasty, that's a trick I've been using since I got the Red version when it first came out. =D Except, I press down on the D-Pad instead of up. And it actually works. =D

[Someone Else]

I thought we just had to press the A button at the right time, not B plus any D-pad direction... hmm...

I've been having hell of a time catching Azelf. I caught Uxie pathetically easy, but Azelf just won't stay in those damn capsules even if he was paralyzed and only had one HP. =P

[Wiflewood]

I think you're all just deluded about that one. I heard it worked in red and blue with a Great Ball, but after those games they stopped doing it. It may seem like it works, but its really just random chance. The fact that you both use different button combinations kinda proves this anyway, I bet if you switched to doing Left+B or right+B it would be exactly the same.

Besides, who needs Masterballs when you have Duskballs? They give 4x capture rate than pokeballs.

Atm I'm going through the foggy route after moving the psyducks. Without Defog. Yay.

[Caael]

Okay, where can I find an exp share? I need one and cant find one.

[Someone Else]

One of the scientists in those gates that split the routes up will give it to you if you've seen enough Pokemon.

[Caael]

Do you know which city it's near?