[I'm Always BROKE]

Just BECAUSE of those 4 forms I don't want Deoxys in Brawl. He's just a Mewtwo with no backstory. The 4 forms would be unbalanced. Like... Oh Im at 200%, I switch into my defence form and I'll survive 50% more. Nawh, if they put Deoxys in Brawl just give him his normal form...

[Aquamarine]

But if you wanted to remain in defence mode you wouldn't be able to use any B attack other than his defence move, because if you did you would transform into a different mode. You WOULD be able to use his A attacks, but their power would be lowered. Which means you would be hard to KO, but YOU wouldn't be able to KO a lot of enemies either. He would be very hard to use, and I think this idea could work quite well.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Yeah... But its a bit overpowered. I could see his down B being the transformation. His B would be some projectile attack, most likely the Shadow Ball since if Deoxys would be in Brawl he'd likely replace Mewtwo. The >B would be something else then Confusion though cuz that move sucked **** in Melee. The ^B could be just like Mewtwo's.

Yet I think it's a bit much work to only one character to give him 3 extra characters in one. And wouldn't it be frustating if you really NEED to play Attack mode and the transformation mode gave you Speed? Since I think it would be randomised everytime you use it. And it would make the Zelda/Sheik character so much less unique.

EDIT: Btw as the >B move I'd like to see a special move of the form you currently fight in. Like the Speed form would be similair to Fox's >B. The defence form would have Protect. Ect ect.

[Caael]

Diddy's right. Having Deoxys would make Zelda less unique, even though i've been with that point in other posts. I dont really see how they can interpret Deoxys into a game like SSBB, It would be better if they had his 4 forms in pokeballs.

If they were to add another pokemon, i'd say Groudon. He's fairly humanoid, even if he is rather big.

[Aquamarine]

What do you mean, Deoxys would make Zelda less unique? What about Samus/Zamus? I bet you're gonna say she doesn't make Zelda less unique just because they're already including them in the game. Also, Deoxys wouldn't totaly change what he looks like, he would only change his body shape and his attacks wouldn't change at all, only the power, speed and durability of the character. Also, I think it would be best if they threw Shiek out and made Zelda non-transformable. Sheik is too unimportant to be in Smash Bros. and they've got one transforming character confirmed already.

[Caael]

Yeah, but thinking about it, Zelda was a bit crap on single button mode when you couldnt turn into sheik. Maybe they'll make her better, as her >B was apalling. Dins fire should be like it was in n64, a dome. I do love faroes wind thouhg, its the best ^B in the game.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Caael, on Sep 23 2006, 10:52 AM, said:

Diddy's right. Having Deoxys would make Zelda less unique, even though i've been with that point in other posts. I dont really see how they can interpret Deoxys into a game like SSBB, It would be better if they had his 4 forms in pokeballs.

If they were to add another pokemon, i'd say Groudon. He's fairly humanoid, even if he is rather big.

Groudon...? :( I didnt saw THAT one coming. No, please no Groudon. It would be strange just having one legendary while there are many others which wont get repped at all. Same goes for Blaziken, if they add him they should add Sceptile and Swampert to... Which wont happen. Groudon is too big to scale down his size. For Ridley or Bowser this is no problem because in some of their games they have around the same size as Mario or Samus. But Groudon is ment to be a bulking beast, which would be strange if they'd scale him down. Not to mention, he'd be overpowered.

And Groudon belongs to a sort of 'group' of other Pokemon, which in Groundon's case are Kyogre and Rayqauza. Which would be unfair if they didn't appear as a playable character in Brawl to. But take something like Lucario or Deoxys, they are independant. Just as Mewtwo. They could make a very good character. Which Groudon isnt...

Aquamarine, on Sep 23 2006, 11:48 AM, said:

What do you mean, Deoxys would make Zelda less unique? What about Samus/Zamus? I bet you're gonna say she doesn't make Zelda less unique just because they're already including them in the game. Also, Deoxys wouldn't totaly change what he looks like, he would only change his body shape and his attacks wouldn't change at all, only the power, speed and durability of the character. Also, I think it would be best if they threw Shiek out and made Zelda non-transformable. Sheik is too unimportant to be in Smash Bros. and they've got one transforming character confirmed already.

Its still unknown how Samus would change to Zamus. And I bet they won't replace Samus's down B move for a transformation. It still would make Zelda unique, because she still is the only character with a transformating down B move.

And Sheik is already too populair to leave Smash. I mean, she is one of the most used characters. In OoT she was populair to. And not to mention, it would make Zelda very boring if you compare her to her Melee character. Also Sheik has a unique and non clony moveset. And no characters appart form clones should be removed. Ohhh and Ganon and Falco should stay to. :D

[Caael]

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Its still unknown how Samus would change to Zamus.

In the video did it not show her super move, like marios super fireball as the huge blast, and then her suit burst. I cant wait to be Zamus, she looks a lot like Winry <3

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Ohhh and Ganon and Falco should stay to.

Well at least give them their own moves this time. I dont think Gannondorfs slower but stronger moves than CF's worked too well. I've been practicing with him for ages now, and i'm still no better. I get whupped by level 3 coms, because of Gannon's lack of speed.

[Aquamarine]

If you ask me, Ganondorf is one of the best fighters in the game, and my brother plays him incredibly well. And just because they showed her transforming by means of her Super Smash doesn't mean she really will change like that. They just wanted to make a cool trailer. :(
Diddy, if Zelda will still be unique even besides Zamus because they transform in different ways, then she would be unique even next to Deoxys, since Deoxys would transform with ALL of his B combinations. That's as logical as your Zamus reason.
Also about Sheik, I think it would be really boring if they left characters in the game just because he/she was very popular in Melee. I think that that's actually reason enough to chuck him out, so that people try and use new characters. My fave fighter is Falco, but not only am I annoyed that he's a clone(since I HATE clones in fighting games) I also think the character should be thrown out. I'm looking at things realisticaly. Sheik was in ONE Zelda game, and wasn't even all that important.

[Toasty]

But Aqua, if they throw characters out just because they're popular, they'll piss off half the gaming world, and commit suicide. Sheik was not only popular, but a heck of a character. My friend's older brother beat the **** outta' me with her, and almost won the match. And why have Deoxys change every time he makes a B attack? Wouldn't that just slow his moves down, and make them easier to counter? There should only be one character that transforms by button pushing. And Zamus may not change the way it is shown in the trailer, but it won't be as easy as pushing Bv.

[Aquamarine]

They shouldn't throw every popular character out, but only some of them. If they throw out Sheik, who is many peoples favorite, they'll just have to try out the other characters and will have new fave fighters, so what's the problem? I truly hope my fave fighters list changes in Brawl.
You are right that Deoxys's moves would be easier to counter, but I still think he could be a very interesting character. I would give him above average stats, since he would be so complicated and hard to use.

[Caael]

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And just because they showed her transforming by means of her Super Smash doesn't mean she really will change like that. They just wanted to make a cool trailer.

I didnt say that was going to be the case, just a suggestion.

What I cant wait for is the adventure mode. From what i've heard, each character has their own little story to complete. Imagine it- Pikachu goes into battle with a crapload of other pokemon.
Link- Has to go through Gannons castle and fight him as the boss.

It's gonna be awesome.

[Toasty]

That would be pretty cool. Obviously, Mario would go through Peaches Castle, or Bowsers' fortress, and fight him. Samus would probably fight.....well.....we'll have to wait untill we know all of the characters for that one.

[Caael]

Having Ridley as a playable character would be awesome. I think everybody in this game should have a playable rival. The job is half done: Kirby- Metaknight, Link- Gannondorf, Mario- Bowser

Okay, so it's not half done. Even if the bosses at the end arent playable, it would still kick ass.

[Toasty]

They should put the Black Knight and Ike in there. :(

Hmm....I can't think of any other rivals right now.

[Caael]

Kraid is sorta in there, in the Brinstar depths level. It would be cool if they had 2 different adventure modes. Samus- Rideley and Kraid
Link- Gannon and Vaati ect. That would be cool, but I doubt it's gonna happen. But i've been proved wrong quite a lot.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Aquamarine, on Sep 24 2006, 07:13 AM, said:

If you ask me, Ganondorf is one of the best fighters in the game, and my brother plays him incredibly well. And just because they showed her transforming by means of her Super Smash doesn't mean she really will change like that. They just wanted to make a cool trailer. :D
Diddy, if Zelda will still be unique even besides Zamus because they transform in different ways, then she would be unique even next to Deoxys, since Deoxys would transform with ALL of his B combinations. That's as logical as your Zamus reason.
Also about Sheik, I think it would be really boring if they left characters in the game just because he/she was very popular in Melee. I think that that's actually reason enough to chuck him out, so that people try and use new characters. My fave fighter is Falco, but not only am I annoyed that he's a clone(since I HATE clones in fighting games) I also think the character should be thrown out. I'm looking at things realisticaly. Sheik was in ONE Zelda game, and wasn't even all that important.

You dont know if Sheik is gonna be in Twilight Princess. If she is, there is a HUGE chance she will return in Brawl. And Zelda has got a more important role in that game. Sheik was very populair in OoT. So I think she would return to TP.

Ganondorf just needs his own moves. He just was a C.Falcon clone because the programmers didnt had enough time to make him a own moveset. He had his sword in the Beta version of Melee. Meaning they wanted to make moves with it. Expect something like that for Brawl's Ganon.

Falco SHOULDNT go. He's the second populair Star Fox character. Hes very important to the StarFox franchise. Cutting him would be dumb. They easly could come up with a new moveset. But I dont even think thats necencerly (sp?) because Fox and Falco play really diffrent. Just as Roy and Marth. But Roy was just there for advertising FE6 to Japan and I think he should be replaced by either Ike or Sothe.

And cutting populair characters from Melee is no good. Lets say if they removed Marth. Alot of people would be so disapointed that they dont even wanna buy Brawl anymore. And I bet you would be disapointed to if Ganondorf and Falco left. :(

[Aquamarine]

I would like Marth to remain, since he's the first FE character ever, but I think it would be kinda cool if they put Ike in instead of Marth. He could have the same moveset and stats, and that would mean there wouldn't be people who would be dissapointed to see Marth thrown out. Though I don't think there would be even one person who wouldn't buy the game just becasue Marth is left out...
Falco is my FAVORITE StarFox character. He is also possibly my FAVORITE Smash Bros. fighter. But I STILL say he should not be included in Brawl, because Wolf is just such a better choice. Having more villains is important for Smash Bros. if you ask me. AND Wolf mustn't have the same moveset as Falco since I want NO CLONES!!! Luigi kind of characters is ok, but no more Falco's and Roy's thank you very much!
I just don't understand why people don't like changes! I think it would be cool if they dropped some characters and added different ones instead.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Aquamarine, on Sep 24 2006, 06:44 PM, said:

I would like Marth to remain, since he's the first FE character ever, but I think it would be kinda cool if they put Ike in instead of Marth. He could have the same moveset and stats, and that would mean there wouldn't be people who would be dissapointed to see Marth thrown out. Though I don't think there would be even one person who wouldn't buy the game just becasue Marth is left out...
Falco is my FAVORITE StarFox character. He is also possibly my FAVORITE Smash Bros. fighter. But I STILL say he should not be included in Brawl, because Wolf is just such a better choice. Having more villains is important for Smash Bros. if you ask me. AND Wolf mustn't have the same moveset as Falco since I want NO CLONES!!! Luigi kind of characters is ok, but no more Falco's and Roy's thank you very much!
I just don't understand why people don't like changes! I think it would be cool if they dropped some characters and added different ones instead.

Whoa next thing you'll say is that Yoshi, DK and Peach need to be replaced by some other characters... :( I do like changes, but not like that. =/

Falco has potential having a own moveset. Even more then Wolf I dare say. Falco should just stay. Give him a Luigified moveset and its good. I still think Krystal would be a better addition then Wolf. Heck we need more females to. And if we where to add villians I'd rather see really important ones. Andross is the main villian of the Star Fox series. But he shouldnt be there to.

The only villians who I think have a chance are King DeDeDe and Ridley. K.Rool would be nice to. However I dont think Nintendo wants too much DK characters in Smash Bros, except for Diddy.

And replacing Marth for Ike isnt good. Ike should replace Roy and have a Luigified moveset to. Marth should stay because HE and not his fighting style is populair. Marth is like the Mario from FE. And seeing as the castle stage is from FE1 (I heard so atleast...) Marth is guaranteed to return. Just nerf his grabbing and sword range and he'd be fine.

[Aquamarine]

Just because the arena is from FE1 that doesn't mean Marth will surely return.
And of course DK, Yoshi and Peach should remain, they are too important to be left out. Ness, on the other hand, should be swapped for Lucas.
I want an F-Zero villain too, Black Shadow or Deathborn. Vaati and Dark Samus would be awesome too.
Oh and er... WOLF FOR SSBB!!!

[Caael]

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Lets say if they removed Marth

NOooooooooooo!

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Marth is guaranteed to return. Just nerf his grabbing and sword range and he'd be fine.

I kick ass with Marth. He doesnt need projectiles, they wouldnt suit him. His throws are also very good, they're quick as hell if you can use Marth well.

I dont think anybody should be removed, just changed. Luigi-fying characters wont cut it though. Gannondorf cannot just be luigified. They need to give him his own moves with a sword. It wouldnt hurt to give him projectiles either. Falco should probably be luigified, but majorly, only keeping his gun move.

Roy should be replaced. I think Eliwood, Lyn or Hector are the rights way to go. 2 of the latter should be chosen, more FE characters are a must. No point in adding FE villains though, that would suck quite a bit.

[Golden Legacy]

Fire Emblem wise, I really think that Marth and Roy should be replaced. Now, before you go and yell at me, I think they should be replaced with characters that play very similarly.

The reason is that Nintendo should, at the very least, "update" them with more recent entries in the franchise. Ike and Sothe, for example. Perhaps even Lyn, to add a bit more diversity.

[Caael]

If they added Lyn, the game would be gold. Lyn is the best way to go, but thinking about it, Marth and Roy are the trademarks of FE. I dont really think anybody should go, either replaced with better characers, or their moves changed.

[Golden Legacy]

There's a limit to how many characters can be included, both in terms of the hardware, and just the presentation. Having too many characters could be unnecessarily overwhelming for players.

[Caael]

I know that, but they shouldn't just starting to delete characters because there wont be enough. It's a bit like going into a mario game, but finding that Bowser has been removed.

In my list, this is who should be added, apart from what has been confirmed:

Lyn
Ridley
Diddy
Vaati

[I'm Always BROKE]

Aquamarine, on Sep 24 2006, 07:13 PM, said:

Just because the arena is from FE1 that doesn't mean Marth will surely return.
And of course DK, Yoshi and Peach should remain, they are too important to be left out. Ness, on the other hand, should be swapped for Lucas.
I want an F-Zero villain too, Black Shadow or Deathborn. Vaati and Dark Samus would be awesome too.
Oh and er... WOLF FOR SSBB!!!

Well it wouldnt be suiting if another Fire Emblem fights in Marth's place isnt it? Marth WILL return. He's very similair to DK, Yoshi and Peach in that way. Just too important to the series to be replaced. And Caael no he shouldnt have a projoctile. Wouldnt suit him either. His long sword makes up from what he lacks as a projectile. That should stay, only his sword may be a little shorter. Or his grabs...

Ness... Hes been in 2 Smash games. Even more then he was in Earthbound games. He also made a little cameo in Mother 3. I think they should include both Ness and Lucas since they are both awesome. I dont see why Ness should leave. Hes also just as Marth the most important character to the series.

Im fine with any other F Zero character though. :( Mainly cuz I never played a F Zero game. Vaati and Dark Samus... I dunno. Ganondorf and Ridley are already the main villains of their franchises. And I dont want Zelda or Metroid to be over represented like Mario already is.

[Caael]

I really dont see the point in adding any more F- Zero charas. Why bother, since all they do is drive cars. They dont fight. It would be useless if they were just made CF clones.

I really dont htink they should add more characters from neglected series, Like earthbound.

[Toasty]

So, at this point, does anyone think it's possible for Isaac to be in there? I mean, he's from the GBA's first RPG. That's definately saying something.

[Blue]

If they had Isaac in there I would probably use him more than Yoshi (well, actually probably equal amount) It would be a good idea. I mean, they added Marth, ah character that was from a game that was released in Japan first, then in America years later. Isaac comes from a Popular RPG thats well known in Japan and in America. I think it would be a good idea.
If I have to buy a classic controller just to play it though I would be very pist.

[Caael]

Imagine what Isaac would sound like though. That would be wierd o_O

Isaac would be a good choice, but I just dont think that the programmers will include him. They should hold character polls on the nintendo website, that way, people would get a say in what goes in, instead of people getting dissapointed when none of their fav characters are in there.

[Aquamarine]

There were a lot of polls already all over the world, and Wikipedia says that one of the highest voted characters in Japan was Isaac. That makes his appearance a bit more possible, but I don't think it'll happen. If they added Isaac though I don't think they should put any other GS character too. I mean yeah, it would be cool to play as Felix or Alex, but there are just some franchises that shouldn't have more than one character.

DiddyKong, on Sep 24 2006, 08:14 PM, said:

Well it wouldnt be suiting if another Fire Emblem fights in Marth's place isnt it? Marth WILL return. He's very similair to DK, Yoshi and Peach in that way. Just too important to the series to be replaced. And Caael no he shouldnt have a projoctile. Wouldnt suit him either. His long sword makes up from what he lacks as a projectile. That should stay, only his sword may be a little shorter. Or his grabs...

Ness... Hes been in 2 Smash games. Even more then he was in Earthbound games. He also made a little cameo in Mother 3. I think they should include both Ness and Lucas since they are both awesome. I dont see why Ness should leave. Hes also just as Marth the most important character to the series.

Im fine with any other F Zero character though. :P Mainly cuz I never played a F Zero game. Vaati and Dark Samus... I dunno. Ganondorf and Ridley are already the main villains of their franchises. And I dont want Zelda or Metroid to be over represented like Mario already is.

I mostly agree here, but I say said above, there are some franchises that shouldn't have more than one character. Earthbound is one of them. And Lucas should be the one character since Ness was the main character in ONE out of two Mother games. I mean, Ninten was the hero of Mother 1, why wasn't he included into Smash Bros? Yes, Lucas is the main character of only one Earthbound too, but it's the newest one, and Brawl might just help the game get a release out of Japan, which doesn't seem to likely at the moment.
As for Marth, It would be fine by me if he stayed in the game, but since almost every FE has new characters why wouldn't every new Smash Bros. have new FE characters? Geddit? I think that would be cool.

Caael: About the F-Zero thing... That just means that there shouldn't be more than one or two Star Fox characters since they're always(almost always, yeah) in their Arwings and Landmasters and stuff. I think F-Zero deserves one more fighter, a bad guy, but not more than that.

[Mars Djinni]

Star Fox is different. They had a whole game that revolved around Fox and Krystal ON FOOT. It's still considered the Star Fox universe, regardless of the sway from the classic Star Fox gamepay. And it is also enough to capture how Fox would fight. In Brawl, I'd suspect Fox would get his Command makeover as opposed to his Assault one. It looks more like his original Star Fox 64 incarnation.

[Toasty]

Not only that, but they're fighting in their arwings. F-Zero characters are just racecar drivers, except for D. Falcon, he's a bounty hunter.

And I think there should be at least two GS characters. It's more of one of those games where you put two in, not one, since they had two main characters, and two games. Though, it should be either Felix or Alex as the second. Alex fights with water, so he'd be much less likely to be a clone, but Felix was a main character.

[Mars Djinni]

And that's why Captain Falcon made it and the others didn't.

It seems more likely for Isaac than Felix, because Isaac was the very first main character in the series. Felix is cooler, though. D:

Isaac and Alex, the Ultimate hero and ultimate villain. Isaac is power, since he has Alchemy imbued within him, and Alex is speed because of his teleport.

[Toasty]

Well, they both have alchemy imbued in them, but I think Isaac's is stronger. Remeber the last scene between Alex and the Wise One?

[My Best Wishes]

I'm going to completely interrupt for a second. Does anyone have a official or unofficial site with all the details so far? I.E- Characters, maps, new features etc

Also a GS character would be a nice touch. Kick out Ganondwarf or one of the Links, or Peach, she sucks.

[Toasty]

Here: http://www.smashbros.com/en/main.html

It's the official SSBB site. It doesn't mention all the characters, but this is about as official as you'll get.

[I'm Always BROKE]

watch, on Sep 26 2006, 04:53 AM, said:

I'm going to completely interrupt for a second. Does anyone have a official or unofficial site with all the details so far? I.E- Characters, maps, new features etc

Also a GS character would be a nice touch. Kick out Ganondwarf or one of the Links, or Peach, she sucks.

Peach is the 5th best character in Melee. She doesnt suck. Heck in the PAL version which we both have, Peach is the very best character. Not to mention, shes a very unique female fighter.

Ganon wouldnt be cutted.
Link wouldnt be either, heck hes even already in there check the trailer. :P
Y.Link should be removed though.

And check www.smashbros.com. Thats all the real information we have.

[My Best Wishes]

Hmmm Kirby's rival, Some Pit kid, Samus without the suit, Wario (about time, IMO he'll suck tho), and Snake....different.

Diddy, Why would Ganon not get cut? He is almost exactly the same as Captian Falcon but slower. It's like having Mario, Luigi and Dr.Mario (and know Wario)

I wonder if anyone will get cut though? Maybe Mr Game and watch (Just unlocked all characters, I spent that long for that!)

[I'm Always BROKE]

Ganondorf is one of the big three of the Zelda franchise. Also he wasnt supposed to be a C.Falcon clone in Melee, because in the beta version he had a sword. He didnt used it though...

Wario wouldnt be a clone of Mario. Just go play some Wario game.
Dr.Mario likely will get cut. Luigi will stay because he has some own moves atleast and he plays waaay diffrent from Mario.

Mr.Game and Watch has a unique moveset. And even though he sucks in Melee he COULD be kick ass in Brawl. Kirby, Pikachu and Ness where gods in Smash64 to, look at them in Melee... DK and Link who where considered the worst 2 character of Smash64 are even doing better.

Roy will probarly be cutted to because he just only advertised FE6 which was yet to be released in Japan during the time SSBM was launched there.

Dr.Mario I already explained, togheter with Pichu he's really the most likely character to get cut. Same for Y.Link. Although I could see him returning in his cel shaded Wind Waker look.

[Aquamarine]

Captain Falcon made it into Smash Bros. not because he's the only one that fights outside the F-Zero races, but becasue he IS the main character. He's got his own story mode in GX, and he has been the F-Zero champion since begining to race in the competition.
Oh and also... Capatain Falcon ISN'T the only one that fights outside the racetrack. Black Shadow is the "Grand Master of Terror", and he didn't receive that title by just sitting and watching TV. He destroys citys with his minions, and in the GX story mode they even showed a power of his, some light that can bind his enemies. Deathborn is even more evil and can teleport at will, has been revived about four times and is just really really dangerous. Pico was part of a military squad, but is now an assassin for hire. Samurai Goroh is, like Falcon, a bounty hunter and is the leader of a group of thiefs that roam the galaxy. He wields a katana. So almost everyone has a lot of fighting in his past like, not only Falcon.

[My Best Wishes]

DiddyKong, on Sep 26 2006, 11:27 PM, said:

Mr.Game and Watch has a unique moveset. And even though he sucks in Melee he COULD be kick ass in Brawl. Kirby, Pikachu and Ness where gods in Smash64 to, look at them in Melee... DK and Link who where considered the worst 2 character of Smash64 are even doing better.

I know, I was sooooooo upset that Ness sucks so much in Melee, he was mine! No one except my brother with Kirby could beat me.

Link is just the best overall, I actually think he's worse in Melee seeing as his boomerang was switched to across B.

[Aquamarine]

Ness is actually really good in Melee, one of my favorite fighters. The only thing is, he's not easy to master, so you'll need to play him a lot to learn to control his powers. And Link is very good, also one of my fave fighters, but overall I think Luigi and Ganondorf are the best fighters in the game.
So, you've just got a GameCube, huh watch? I guess you have Melee. How do you like the game?

[I'm Always BROKE]

Ness is currently considered being the 5th from worst characters in Melee, just one place above Bowser. But I do agree, he has alot of potential. But the Tier list I follow is just something more as a online scoreboard of how characters are doing in tournaments. But still... He does have alot of weaknesses... But I do agree, he's very hard to master. But why should you master Ness if you can take the same effort in mastering lets say... Fox?

[Aquamarine]

You keep looking at that darn tier list Diddy! Too many people are basing their favorite fighters on who the "experts" say are good characters. EVERYONE can be good when mastered, and I totally disagree with that tier stuff. A well-mastered Ness CAN beat a well-mastered Sheik! And why would I spend my time mastering Ness when I could spend it mastering Fox? Maybe I want to be different to all the millions of people who don't have choises of their own, but just look on the internet to see who the most popular characters are.

[I'm Always BROKE]

No dont take me wrong, I also main DK who is a Low Tier character to. :P And yeah a low tier character CAN beat a higher tier character, I never said otherwise. But it all depends on match ups, a low tier character can counter a top tier character. DK lets say, is good agains fast fallers like Fox, Falco and C.Falcon, but he's weak agains projectiles because he's a big target which limitets his potential agains those characters.

But still, if a equally skilled Ness and Sheik would fight, Sheik would win. But thats why playing a low tier character is so cool, you need to be very skilled.

But I respect why your playing a somewhat lesser character. Im also no good with higher tier characters, and low tier is so much more fun to play.

[My Best Wishes]

Aquamarine, on Sep 28 2006, 05:45 AM, said:

Ness is actually really good in Melee, one of my favorite fighters. The only thing is, he's not easy to master, so you'll need to play him a lot to learn to control his powers. And Link is very good, also one of my fave fighters, but overall I think Luigi and Ganondorf are the best fighters in the game.
So, you've just got a GameCube, huh watch? I guess you have Melee. How do you like the game?

I quite like it. Although I am a bit stuck seeing the Wii is coming out in close to two months so I'm not sure If I will continue to buy games for my cube...
Melee is mad, I've got all the characters and only missing about 3 maps. The only problem with Ness in Melee I think is that TK fire is now across B and his B takes to long to charge.

[Toasty]

Well the tier's do have some truth to them. I switched to fox, which is a high, or top tier, and I do much better with him. Though I do get more K.O.'s with him than I did with Roy, I also get more deaths as well.

[I'm Always BROKE]

That has got nothing to do with it. Because even though Fox is better then Roy, it doesn't mean you should be better with Fox then you are with Roy. Myself for example, I play alot better with Mewtwo then Fox...

Still, I gotta practice more. I got beaten by the best Young Link and 3rd best Ganondorf of Europe, who happens to be a classmate. He was so good that I just had to escape by rolling and shielding. Yet he did only 1 stocked me with his Ganondorf, yet I feel I must become better...

[My Best Wishes]

How do you play those people and how are those ranks offical? Also, Fox better then Roy? And Roy better then Marth!!! Must be opinion.

[Caael]

This is the Brawl topic, not melee

[I'm Always BROKE]

watch, on Sep 29 2006, 03:44 PM, said:

How do you play those people and how are those ranks offical? Also, Fox better then Roy? And Roy better then Marth!!! Must be opinion.

No its a pure fact. Marth and Fox deffinatly are better then Roy.
Mainly because Marth's tipper has more range and power then Roy's sweetspot. As you know, Roy is more powerful in the begining of his sword, while Marth is stronger at the tip. That makes Marth's range much better, and he's stronger. Marth also is faster and has a better recovery. Fox is just plain cheap and fast. Really Roy isnt anything special. :P He's just a very good newb character.

And yeah indeed this is the Brawl topic not the Melee one.

[Toasty]

I got really good with Roy though. When Brawl comes out, I'll have to challenge these guys.

[Aquamarine]

This may be the Brawl topic, not the Melee one but what more can we actually say about Brawl? By discussing Melee we're discussing Brawl in a way. Geddit?

watch, on Sep 28 2006, 01:53 AM, said:

I quite like it. Although I am a bit stuck seeing the Wii is coming out in close to two months so I'm not sure If I will continue to buy games for my cube...

You can still continue buying GC games, you do know you can play them on the Wii, right? All you have to do is sell your GC right before or when the Wii is released(but don't sell your controllers!) and then you can buy both GC and Wii games for your Wii!

[My Best Wishes]

Yea I get that but how much will EB really pay for just the system, maybe like 20-40 bucks? Ah whatever, I already have $280 on the Wii ;) Thats what you get for trading a PSP and SP towards a gamecube and having money left over.

I realise this may sound dumb but Brawl will be with the remote and/or the nunchuk right? Because I heard that you need a gamecube controller to play some games...

[Golden Legacy]

Nothing has been confirmed. However, if we take what Sakurai hinted at a few months ago to be true, then we will probably play with either the Classic/Retro controller, or a GameCube controller.

[Toasty]

I think it might be more likely for the retro controller to be used, since it's newer, but if it's plugged in to a GC socket, the GC controller would probably be more likely. I think the GC controller is more likely to be used, but it goes both ways eaqually, really.

[Aquamarine]

If they make me buy two Classic controllers just because of this game I'll kill them! Not only am I going to buy another wiimote/nunchuk for 50 bloody euros, but will I have to also spend money on stupid retro controllers, even though I already have two GC pads? Yeah, great, the console and games are cheaper than the competitors, but they're planning on making a load of money from the controllers!

[Caael]

I am certainly not buying 2 classic controllers. There is nothing wrong with my GC controls, i'll put them to use. I think its rather stupid that the nunchuck comes separately, it should come with the remote. GC controllers will be best, because people who have played Melee will be more used to it.

[Golden Legacy]

I wouldn't be surprised if Brawl was bundled up with the Classic Controller.

[Caael]

That would be great, sell em on ebay!

I dont know where the classic controllers will be used, I'll use my GC controllers for most of the classic-ness.

[Golden Legacy]

Well, we don't know yet if GC controllers can be used for anything besides playing GC games.

[Caael]

That would be a shame, but it would get Ninty some more money, but they might actually decrease the sales of some games where people would like to use GC controllers.

[Golden Legacy]

See, the thing is, the GC doesn't have a large installed base, or not one that could really impact sales. In fact, with the exception of Super Smash Brothers (Melee is the best-selling GC game worldwide), I doubt people would be concerned about playing GC controllers for other games.

[Toasty]

The GC controllers will likely be used only for GC games, though there is speculation of it being used for Brawl. The classic controller will likely be used mostly for old school games, but it may be used in some Wii games as well, though I'm not sure how likely that is.

[My Best Wishes]

But what I don't understand is how the classic controller will be used to play nes snes and 64 games. The layout on all 3 controll pads are different, 64 in particular.

[Split Infinity]

Straying back to Golden Sun...if they did include a character or two in the game, what do you think the arena would be like? Atop a lighthouse, perhaps? Or maybe the aerie could split into four pieces to add a new hazard to the arena?

[Aquamarine]

Exactly my idea for an arena. The top of Venus Lighthouse for example. It could split into four peaces, making falling to your death much easier. Not only that, but later on in the battle the lighthouse could be lit, creating a bright light and making everything a bit blurry and hard to see.
Sakurai said, and I quote: "Don't throw your GC controllers out yet." when asked how Brawl would be controlled.

[My Best Wishes]

I was thinking GS the other day, I think it depends on the character. Say isaac I imagine a more rocky theme to it. Who knows, probably one of the lighthouses.

[Caael]

I'd say mount Aleph would be a good GS level. If not that, the lemurian ship, replacing the rainbow ride level.

[My Best Wishes]

How about one of the towns? Like the werewolf one, or Prox. It would most likely be from GS2 though.

[Mars Djinni]

How about teh Lemurian ship, but travelling through the Sea of Time.

[FlamingDuck]

Hmmm...but maybe Air's Rock, or any Rock, really. You could get blown around by whirlwinds and the like!

[Split Infinity]

Basically anything with a changing arena sounds like a good idea.

[Caael]

Or they could bend the rules and have the rocks, but make it change, like the poke' arena. So one minute there is flame jets with the wierd statues, and the next the area floods.

[Toasty]

Well, it is alchemy based, but I wouldn't suggest it.

[Split Infinity]

It seems inpppropriate and copied. I think it would be good to have an Elemental Star item, which could be thrown into the lighthouse.

[Toasty]

Or mabey it could allow you to do a special attack, like while you're holding it, it changes your b attack to something different. Like the Venus star gives you an earth like attack.

[Caael]

Nah, because that would put the whole concept of element weaknesses in the game and what-not, like poke'mon.I dont think it should change attack, I think it should be like the screw ball in melee.

What would make me laugh is that if they put all of the items and levels from GS, but forgot the characters, and all the people who havent seen it are like: " Wth?"

[Sea of Time]

I'm not sure if that's funny, it would be stupid for the developers to include a GS level and not a GS character. Maybe having a level will make more people try the game, subsequently making more people join this forums. Won't it be fun to have more noobs?

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, more noobs that we can scare away... Just kidding!
I don't think it would be stupid to have a GS arena even if there isn't a GS character. I mean, the Flipper item from Melee is from Balloon Fight and there is also a Balloon Fight music in the Ice Climber's level, but there isn't a fighter from that game. Is that stupid?

[Toasty]

No, it's not. But that game is much older, and much less well known.

Caael, on Oct 3 2006, 11:04 PM, said:

Nah, because that would put the whole concept of element weaknesses in the game and what-not, like poke'mon.I dont think it should change attack, I think it should be like the screw ball in melee.

I don't think it would. It'd just give a stronger attack that might have an added effect, like freezing (if you get the Mercury Star), or getting stuck in the ground (Venus Star), you could get blown quite a ways a way (Jupiter star), which would be great for sending people a long ways off screen, and just a stronger attack that leaves the foe in flames, like it does when you use Roy's B^ move (Mars star). You have to admit, it'd be prett interesting to use these in battle.

[Caael]

I see what you mean now. That would be quite good actually, but there is so much choice for levels in GS. Maybe you could have a lighthouse and it switches between each. I've already said a smilar thing, but I cant think of anything else.

[Aquamarine]

You could have the top of Mars Lighthouse and the Doom Dragon could keep attacking the players from the background. That would be a difficult arena and it would be sweet! They could do the same with the Anemos Sanctum and Dullahan.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Nah Im agains that. The best Golden Sun stage gotta be Venus Lighthouse. I mean cmon, either Felix or Isaac could make it. And it was the beginning of Felix's journey and the end of Isaac's. I could image alot of platforms on it. Also how the stage could tear appart would make it a very intressting stage alteast.

[Caael]

Aquamarine, on Oct 5 2006, 11:24 AM, said:

You could have the top of Mars Lighthouse and the Doom Dragon could keep attacking the players from the background. That would be a difficult arena and it would be sweet! They could do the same with the Anemos Sanctum and Dullahan.

I disagree. That would be very similar to the metroid underground level with Kraid.
A lighthouse would be quite a good idea, but I still think mount aleph should be good. Every so often, boulders could come along.

[Aquamarine]

I know it would be simmilar to Brinstar Depths(the level with Kraid), that's where I got the idea from. But since that arena probably won't be in Brawl again this could be it's replacement. And the Doom Dragon/Dullahan would actually attack you, it wouldn't just spin the arena around.
Anyways, some of you guys(Diddy) probably know about the Ditto item that was supposed to be included in Melee. When you grab Ditto he would transform into a clone of you and would fight alongside you for a certain amount of time. But they couldn't make it work properly, so they didn't include it into the game in the end. I hope they do include it into Brawl! It sounds cool!

[I'm Always BROKE]

Yeah it would be cool. However it would be too much work to implant for an item... And could you image 2 x 2 Ice Climbers? O_O; Grab infinities from 0% to 999%. It sure would be cool though, yet your clone would fight like a CPU player... ****s up the whole item.

Anyone else got some more ideas for Brawl? Im feeling a little empty in me head today. XD

[Caael]

Well the ditto wouldnt mean it fights like a CPU, it would be like an ice climber, but without CPU control taking over. So when the chara moves left, the clone also moves left ect. It would take a while to master, but it would be awesome when it is mastered.

As for more ideas, i'd like to know what everybody's super moves. The ones I have seen look amazing, but it'd be quite fun to guess at them.

[Golden Legacy]

Finally, some official news about Super Smash Brothers Brawl! Nothing earth-shattering, but it's definitely good to hear Sakurai again.

Taken from IGN Wii:

October 5, 2006 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl director Masahiro Sakurai made an appearance at last week's Tokyo Game Show as part of a talk event hosted by Metal Gear Solid producer Hideo Kojima. The topic of Smash Bros. Brawl came up only once, with Sakurai assuring that development is proceeding smoothly with the game.

It turns out that Sakurai had a bit more to say on the subject, but he was holding out for an interview with Japan's Weekly Famitsu. This week's issue contains the text of the interview.

Mostly, Sakurai reinforced statements he'd made in the past about his big Wii project. Smash Bros. Brawl will definitely see Japanese release in 2007, he said, although he wouldn't commit to a more specific time frame.

Following a discussion in which Sakurai commented that many Wii games seem to be tailored around the Wii controller, Famitsu asked if Smash Bros. Brawl won't be using the controller's special functionality at all. "At the very least, you won't be using it during normal play," responded Sakurai.

Smash Bros. Brawl seems to be getting all of Sakurai's attention at the moment. Famitsu asked if he's working on anything aside from the Wii title and a recent concert that he lead in Tokyo. Apparently, Sakurai has gotten many offers, but he's turned them all down. "I feel the need to fully take on the responsibility when taking on a job. This has become even more important since becoming a freelancer. If you take on two projects, you definitely won't be able do a good job with a game as big as Smash Bros. Brawl."

While Nintendo didn't have a presence at the Tokyo Game Show, and thus didn't show off anything from Smash Bros. Brawl, it's possible that we'll learn more when the big Japanese Wii tour kicks off in November.

[gsninja]

Go Sakurai! Keep putting all your attention on SSBB! n.n

DiddyKong, on Oct 5 2006, 05:36 AM, said:

Nah Im agains that. The best Golden Sun stage gotta be Venus Lighthouse. I mean cmon, either Felix or Isaac could make it. And it was the beginning of Felix's journey and the end of Isaac's. I could image alot of platforms on it. Also how the stage could tear appart would make it a very intressting stage alteast.

That split effect was exactly what I was thinking of. At one point, the middle of the lighthouse would split, and the chaarcters will have more K.O. options. Still, I'd be happy with at least one GS charcter, even though there isn't a GS stage. I myself would prefer Isaac or Ivan, but mostly Isaac...n.n

[pHantOm]

It would be stupid for it not to be Isaac, near the end of the second one we find that you never really leave the role as Isaac.

Plus lets be honest, give him the Sol Blade and you have one super strong enemy O_O does as much as a summon.

Venus Lighthouse is the best option. and if you fall down the crack you land inside the lighthouse with water on the floor. Remember thats how Felix survives.

[Toasty]

Felix fell off of the side of the lighthouse, and into the ocean. But if you fell into the lighthouse and landed on the floor, the battle would shift to that area, and then it would feel too much like one of those old fighting games for the Play Station, like X-Men or something.

[Caael]

Or the view could zoom out, like in the hyrule temple stage. But that would be a frikkin huge zoom out. Maybe you should just die when you fall off. It's easiest.

This will probably the first wii game I get, seeing as I wont be getting it for christmas, i'm gonna have enough money at around february, and Brawl is coming out in spring 2007, correct me if wrong. Unless I ask for money instead of other stuff for xmas ( getting a PC, so I doubt i'll get much money.) But doing jobs around the house and stuff, I should get one around christmas if I work hard.

[Aquamarine]

I'm correcting you. Nintendo gave a full list of first and second party games that'll be released until March 2007 and Brawl wasn't among them. So it's supposed to be released in the summer of 2007, but it seems to me it'll be released in winter. They need more time to make the game.
This is possibly the first game I'll get too, that is if it's released next summer, since I'll be getting a Wii next June or something.

[Golden Legacy]

I guess you guys just missed my post, huh?

Golden Legacy, on Oct 6 2006, 06:42 PM, said:

Finally, some official news about Super Smash Brothers Brawl! Nothing earth-shattering, but it's definitely good to hear Sakurai again.

Taken from IGN Wii:

October 5, 2006 - Super Smash Bros. Brawl director Masahiro Sakurai made an appearance at last week's Tokyo Game Show as part of a talk event hosted by Metal Gear Solid producer Hideo Kojima. The topic of Smash Bros. Brawl came up only once, with Sakurai assuring that development is proceeding smoothly with the game.

It turns out that Sakurai had a bit more to say on the subject, but he was holding out for an interview with Japan's Weekly Famitsu. This week's issue contains the text of the interview.

Mostly, Sakurai reinforced statements he'd made in the past about his big Wii project. Smash Bros. Brawl will definitely see Japanese release in 2007, he said, although he wouldn't commit to a more specific time frame.

Following a discussion in which Sakurai commented that many Wii games seem to be tailored around the Wii controller, Famitsu asked if Smash Bros. Brawl won't be using the controller's special functionality at all. "At the very least, you won't be using it during normal play," responded Sakurai.

Smash Bros. Brawl seems to be getting all of Sakurai's attention at the moment. Famitsu asked if he's working on anything aside from the Wii title and a recent concert that he lead in Tokyo. Apparently, Sakurai has gotten many offers, but he's turned them all down. "I feel the need to fully take on the responsibility when taking on a job. This has become even more important since becoming a freelancer. If you take on two projects, you definitely won't be able do a good job with a game as big as Smash Bros. Brawl."

While Nintendo didn't have a presence at the Tokyo Game Show, and thus didn't show off anything from Smash Bros. Brawl, it's possible that we'll learn more when the big Japanese Wii tour kicks off in November.

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, I saw that post, but it doesn't say there that it will be SUMMER of 2007. It says just 2007, which can also mean spring.

[Golden Legacy]

At any rate, I'm certain it'll be around the winter holidays.

Releasing it earlier would just conflict with other high-profile titles being released, including Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

Launching it around the holidays would be a strong move to get sales going, not to mention it also gives Sakurai as much time as possible to work on the game.

[I'm Always BROKE]

It will be out in Japan 2007. Perhaps means we'll get it in 2008.
Anyways, they may take all the time they need. I want Brawl to be perfect. I'll enjoy myself with Pokemon Pearl and Twilight Princess and just social activities till then. :P

No Dr.Mario's or Ganondorf's with C.Falcon movesets. Although Pichu and Young Link wheren't too bad. I mean cmon. Pichu repped the second generation of Pokemon and breeding. Young Link had less reasons, yet he did had a huge role in OoT, the game where all Zelda characters where based upon. Roy was there for advertisement, and the fact that Falco is a clone doesn't bothers me.

[Aquamarine]

I agree that they should take all the time they need to create this game. Melee only had clones because Sakurai didn't have enough time to make movesets for them. Well, it seems he will this time, so I'm hoping there will be no clones.
Young Link is the TRUE Link if you ask me. He's been in more Zelda games than Adult Link, and when Shigeru created the character he wanted him to be a kid.
It's quite logical that Y. Link and Pichu have the same moves as their older counterparts, but still... PLEASE NO CLONES!!

[Caael]

Young Link does have different items to Big Link, Like boomerang, and y. Link doesnt have a bow, unless you count Majoras mask.

Thats an idea. Young link could have the majora's mask masks for his b- moves.

[pHantOm]

Young Link had a bow...adult link is only in a few zelda games at all.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Adult Link is taking the big role as the real Link now. Atleast, for the home consoles he is...

Young Link still is the hero of DS and GBA games. Still if Young Link will return I'd rather see him having his moves from the Wind Waker or Phantom Hourglas. Since I doubt Nintendo will get rid of their cel shaded model of Link... He would probarly end up being Cel shaded in Brawl to, IF he returns... Which I doubt...

[Golden Legacy]

But the "classic" image of Link is the mature version we saw in Ocarina of Time, and now Twilight Princess.

I personally would like to see Link (regular Link) as Adult Link, as we saw in the trailer. I'd like "Young Link" to be cel-shaded too, and carry moves from Wind Waker, Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass, etc.

[Aquamarine]

The more popular version is Adult Link, but Child Link has stared in many more games.

What if Young Links UP+B was his spin attack from The Wind Waker? It would be simmilar to Adult Links, but would be weaker, would last a bit longer than A. Links and he would be able to move around while doing it and he could also be dizzy after it's finished.
His SIDE+B could be the Grapple Hook. He would fling the rope forward, and if it hit an enemy it would barely hurt him, but would steal the item he/she is holding. Of couse, it couldn't steal a Starman or Cloaking Device, since they dissapear when took.

[Golden Legacy]

^ You mean the Hurricane Spin? Interesting.

Personally, I'd be curious about either Link or Young Link having the totally awesome looking parry moves from Wind Waker/Twilight Princess.

[Aquamarine]

Hurricane Spin? Is that it's name? Can't remember that...

I also thought about either Young or Adult Link having a DOWN+B Bombchu attack. It would be like the normal bomb they have in Melee, except it would be placed on the floor and would crawl forward, exploding when it touched the first thing. The Link that doesn't have this can still have the normal Bomb.

[Mars Djinni]

It'd work similar to a bob-omb, in that case. People can still pick it up, but when on the ground, it's moving constantly.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Meh I don't like the Bomb-chu. I actually never liked that item.
Also it's from Majora's Mask. And it would be confusing seeing Wind Waker Link pulling out a Bomb-chu which he never even used. I'd like to see the Deku Leaf as WW Link's Up B instead of the Hurricane Spin. The Hurricane Spin still would work well as a >B attack. :P

[Mars Djinni]

Oh, yeah. The hurricane Spin doesn't go up, but rather to the side. The deku leaf is a good idea. When in the air, it pops up to act as a hanglider, and when on the ground, he pushes a gust of air with it.

[Aquamarine]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the Bob-Omb...
The Deku Leaf idea is cool. I guess his Down B could be the Grapple Hook then if Side B will be the Hurricane Spin.

Golden Legacy, on Oct 9 2006, 07:41 PM, said:

Personally, I'd be curious about either Link or Young Link having the totally awesome looking parry moves from Wind Waker/Twilight Princess.

I was actually thinking about that a few days ago. I thought that maybe Young Link could do a parry move when doing a normal dodge, like you would with any character. So, he would start rolling on the ground like normal and if he comes in contact with an enemy he could jump onto him, slash him with his sword, and then jump off him. Or something.

[Split Infinity]

Hey, I just had a thought. What if there were Advance Wars characters too?

[Toasty]

I think that was already discussed somewhere, but I highly doubt it. There's very few characters in there that could be considered for this. Max is one, mabey Grimm or Sami, but Andy? No. All he has is a wrentch. Sami at least has a Machine gun, Max and Grimm have Muscles, but that's about it.

[Golden Legacy]

Split Infinity, on Oct 9 2006, 06:43 PM, said:

Hey, I just had a thought. What if there were Advance Wars characters too?

I can't vouch for characters, never having played the Advance Wars games myself, but at least it would be interesting if they added in a few items in the game (maybe working tanks, temporarily?)

[Toasty]

Mabey they could include some of the skills from AW:DS like Icebreaker that adds a freezing effect to your attacks, but only lasts a little while.

[gsninja]

I though of something...

In the transfer from SSB to SSBM, Nintendo added a < /> + B move for all the characters. So...for SSBB, take Link for example. He'll keep all his moves from SSBM; however, if he faces right, < + B would excecute a different move than > + B (Boomerang). Wouldn't that be kinda cool? =3

[Toasty]

Well that would be a little inconveinient, because what if you neede to attack somebody behind you with a B attack?

[TheEnglishman]

Split Infinity, on Oct 9 2006, 11:43 PM, said:

Hey, I just had a thought. What if there were Advance Wars characters too?

I think, like GL, that there's room to use items from Advance Wars in the game. Only problem is if you use an item from a game, you're almost expected to have a character from that series as well.

[Toasty]

Well theres the flipper from baloon fight, but theres no baloon fighter in there. More often than not an item from a game is accompanied by a character from the game, but that doesn't always have to happen.

[Split Infinity]

Mr.T, on Oct 10 2006, 10:45 AM, said:

I think that was already discussed somewhere, but I highly doubt it. There's very few characters in there that could be considered for this. Max is one, mabey Grimm or Sami, but Andy? No. All he has is a wrentch. Sami at least has a Machine gun, Max and Grimm have Muscles, but that's about it.

Then again, they included Captain Falcon, and all he does is drive cars. But these guys...they're commanding officers in the freaking ARMY!

[Toasty]

Captain Falcon is also a bounty hunter who goes around and engages people in hand to hand combat. The CO's of AW aren't depicted in even a bar fight. They may be in the army, but that doesn't mean they should be in SSBB. Besides, I think they'd be a little out of place.

[Sea of Time]

I don't think Advance Wars characters are very probable. It is not that large of a series of games, unlike Fire Emblem or even Golden Sun. Characters in SSBB are going to be from games that are known to everyone playing a Nintendo system. Not just anyone from any game will make the roster.

[Golden Legacy]

gsninja, on Oct 10 2006, 07:20 PM, said:

I though of something...

In the transfer from SSB to SSBM, Nintendo added a < /> + B move for all the characters. So...for SSBB, take Link for example. He'll keep all his moves from SSBM; however, if he faces right, < + B would excecute a different move than > + B (Boomerang). Wouldn't that be kinda cool? =3

gsninja. that is perhaps the most brilliant idea I've heard for Brawl.

It's simple, it's subtle, but it should definitely add a whole new level of depth. It would add so much variety in movesets to have a different move depending on which side you're facing... hard to believe it, but that's probably the single best suggestion I've heard for Brawl yet. ;)

[Toasty]

Yeah, but it would slow you down when attacking in the opposite direction with B, and it could get confusing. That's the only draw back

[Golden Legacy]

I think it would be intuitive, actually.

You're Link, you're facing your enemy. B Side yields your boomerang.

An enemy character is behind you. B Side the other way, yields your (random suggestion), Link holding his shield in that direction, leaving you free to attack the other enemy with your sword.

[Toasty]

Yes, but what if he's facing right, and needs to attack somebody on his left with his boomerang? You'd have to turn first, which would slow you down quite a bit. That's all I'm saying.

[Golden Legacy]

Well, bad example on my part actually; the B side moves would have to be similar to one another.

This is a better example:

B Side (facing target): Bow/Arrow
B Side (opposite): Boomerang

Though they're different, they're both projectiles.

Now here's an even better example:
(Shiek, or any other physical fighter):

B Side (facing target): Thrust (Kick or Punch)
B Side (opposite): Backward thrust (Backward Kick/Hit behind with Elbow)

Something like that.

[Toasty]

Yeah, like it has the same reach and strength, but it just looks more different than it does now. Like Roy would normally just swing his sword in front of him, and when he attacks behind himself, he would switch to backhand and thrust the sword behind him, stabbing his enemy. Though you could also use similar wepons. But the boomerang can be controlled, like it's angle and such, but the bow just arcs down, more so if it has little power.

[Golden Legacy]

Mr.T, on Oct 12 2006, 08:17 PM, said:

Yeah, like it has the same reach and strength, but it just looks more different than it does now. Like Roy would normally just swing his sword in front of him, and when he attacks behind himself, he would switch to backhand and thrust the sword behind him, stabbing his enemy. Though you could also use similar wepons. But the boomerang can be controlled, like it's angle and such, but the bow just arcs down, more so if it has little power.

That bolded part is what I mean. It gets difficult for long-range projectiles, true.

[Toasty]

Well if that's the case, then I agree, it is a cery good idea. It'll make the game feel fresher and less repetitive.

[I'm Always BROKE]

No! PLEASE NO! No Back B move please. Its predictable and would slow the fight down as Toasty said. And what do you think what will become of Link? His approuch all relies on the boomerang, it would be extremly difficult to approuch on the same way as you could in Melee.

A back tilt would work much better. However, that would pulling out a ftilt much more difficult. Leave the controlls the same I say.

[Aquamarine]

As for AW characters: I don't think they wouldn't fit in the game, and the fact that Andy or anyone of the others have never been in a fight without the help of a vehicle doesn't change a thing. Many characters had moves made up for Smash Bros. and there are also a few that have fought, just like the AW characters: Mr. Game & Watch anyone? If it was Andy in Brawl he could have a mostly made-up movelist, but could also use some specials from the AW games and could maybe even use a machine gun or something. I also think it would be quite funny if he used his wrench like Link uses his sword. And if a 2D Mr. Game & Watch and a realistic Snake fit into Smash Bros. then so does Andy.

As for the new B side move: I've already thought of that, but I came up with a better idea. How about if everyone had a new attack if you pressed A and B at the same time? It would be easier to do than the B side thing.

[Golden Legacy]

^ Wow. Another great idea.

Okay, okay, here's one. How about that the C-Stick actually gets its own set of moves, rather than being just for quick smashes?

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, that's be cool, but that would mean to mayn new moves they would have to make up. If they did that then there would certainly be clones in the game. Also, I think 4-5 B kind of moves is enough.

[Toasty]

Yeah, same here. Besides, pressing two buttons at the same time is difficult with one finger.

[Ravenblade]

Do you think Smash Brothers would benefit from more lengthy combos like other beat'em ups? Ive always like that it doesnt have those (cos my memory sucks and...well yeah) but if they did, maybe it would give a greater range of moves to each character. If this has been discussed already then im sorry, i wasnt keen on reading 1300+ posts XD

[Caael]

That would actually add a nice, and very good touch to the game. I dont think they should go too overboard with them, because it is more of a multiplayer game than the slash/ beat em up. Combining A and B moves would be good, e.g:

Mario: A+B= Fireball punch.


... Or not, but that does sound like a good idea, raven

[Toasty]

I think the fact that it doesn't makes it different from other fighting games. It's what makes it origional. Adding combos would add a ton of moves, but then SSB would become just like the rest of the fighting games. I like it the way it is, personally.

[Caael]

Yeah, but in normal fighitng games, its cose up, and usually only 2 people playing. Ssb is different becuase its zoomed out and its multiplayer. I think at least being able to have a > A move and a ^A move combined so its like kick, uppercut.

[Toasty]

Yeah, it'd be okay to a small extent, like an A+B=Fire punch, but if you get too complicated, like a+a+b+v= whatever, then it goes overboard.

[Aquamarine]

Nah, no combos. I know there is a load of things that makes Smash Bros. unique, but this is one of them. It has simple gameplay, but is very hard to master.
I think a new attack by pressing A and B at the same time would be cool. And it's not really that hard to press A and B at the same time Toasty, if you've got a fighting game like Soul Calibur for your GC you would see it isn't at all difficult.

~ 1000!

[Golden Legacy]

I agree with Aquamarine. Smash is simple for anyone to play; at the core, it's simply one melee button (A), one special button (:D, and movement with the analog stick. Simple, but lots of potential to master.

[Caael]

Yeah. They've added the special moves, or whatever they're called, which is good. I think that if you are on a team, you should combine special moves, so from what we have seen Say Mario and Link are on a team

Mario gets super power up thing.

Link holds enemy in place with the triforce move, while mario roasts him with super fireball.

[Toasty]

Yeah, but you could do stuff like that now. Let's say Samus and Fox are on a team.

Fox grabs the foe, and Samus shoots it with a charged up plasma shot.

See what I mean? But yes, that would be interesting to do.

[Mars Djinni]

Of course, all of that would be rendered useless if Friendly Fire is turned on. Youch. It'll make things a great deal more crazy, though.

[Caael]

Ha! That would be funny if friendly fire was one, imagine what the charas would say

Link: I smash him with my sword, while you melt his brains out

Mario: Gotcha * Super fireballs*

Link: * outline burned into ground*

[Sea of Time]

Golden Legacy, on Oct 13 2006, 04:40 PM, said:

^ Wow. Another great idea.

Okay, okay, here's one. How about that the C-Stick actually gets its own set of moves, rather than being just for quick smashes?

I'd just like to say that I find it very awkward trying to reach the C-stick on the GC controller. It would be a bit of a disappointment if they did make a new set of moves for the C-stick because they would just be too hard for anyone to pull off in the heat of battle.

[Aquamarine]

Would you guys want Lucario in Brawl? I would rather have Deoxys, but anyway, check this out:

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[Sea of Time]

Is Lucario a pokemon? If it is, then it's a good looking one. But you can't just throw in any pokemon. It would have to be a very good one, a la Deoxys.

[Aquamarine]

It's a new Diamond/Pearl Pokemon, the main character in the new movie(Lucario and the Waveguiding Hero, something like that) and a very popular and important Poke now.
If you ask me it's actually quite ugly...

[TheEnglishman]

It looks the same as the rest to me. I'm not desperate to have any more pokemon in the game.
[offtopic] I remember the good old days when the only rare pokemon were Mew and Mewtwo. *sighs* [/offtopic]

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, there really are too many legendaries in Ruby/Sapphire! Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Latias, Latios, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Jirachi and Deoxys. Have I forgotten anyone?
I don't understand people who are all "OMG NOOO I DON'TWANT NO POKEZ!!1!LOL" for no real reason. I would love to have Deoxys playable.

[TheEnglishman]

I'm sure they could make room but they can't include too many characters from one series, otherwise it wouldn't be fair. They could take some of the pokemon out and put new ones in.

[Aquamarine]

Yeah, not more than 4 characters from one franchise. That means I'm not counting DK, Wario and even Yoshi as Mario characters. If they threw out Pichu(who they MUST throw out) they can add Deoxys, though I think it's more likely it'll be Lucario. :D They can even leave Mewtwo and Jigglypuff out and that'll make even more room for Pokemon, or even non-Pokemon characters.

[TheEnglishman]

I would like Wario Ware characters. I think it would be a bit different to the normal types of characters that they include.

[Aquamarine]

I think the best Wario Ware character for Brawl would be Jimmy(that's the name of the cool, blue-haired dude, right?). He could have crazy dancing attacks! But I think Wario Ware chars. would be a bit unneeded.

[TheEnglishman]

Well if you took Wario and Jimmy, that would be two straight away. I'd be willing to admit that most wouldn't fit in the game, but I just thought those that could would be a bit of a change to the norm.

[Aquamarine]

I think absolutely every video game character ever made would fit in Smash Bros, it's just that I think they should leave the space open for some different fighter. But I guess having one more Wario Ware character would be ok.

[Caael]

Sea Of time said:

I'd just like to say that I find it very awkward trying to reach the C-stick on the GC controller. It would be a bit of a disappointment if they did make a new set of moves for the C-stick because they would just be too hard for anyone to pull off in the heat of battle.

That is about the easiest way to pull off moves. One tap and you're done.


But I think just 2 move types is good. Combat and special

[My Best Wishes]

I think there is enough characters being added/wanted to be added without any new playable pokemon. I mean who really goes Pichue, Jigglypuff and Mewtew? Mewtew is ok but I'd rather Fox.

[Ravenblade]

Thats true, we dont need anymore Pokemon. I think the ones that are in all have their essential comic value and such but there's no need for anymore. That said, I'm not sure about the other new characters being brought in either...I mean, I've never even heard of Pit. Meta-Kirby looks cool though. I wouldnt have miinded if there were no new characters.

[Aquamarine]

You wouldn't mind if there were no new characters? Well, I sure would. That's the best part of Smash Bros., having lots of characters from different franchises battling it out. It would be really boring if they didn't have any new fighters. Really, what would be the point of buying the game then, if they hadn't changed anything?
And I am absolutely sure there will be at least on new Poke. It is one of the most popular franchises, and many people want some more Pokemon.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Bah Pokémon hating again...

They are most likely gonna cut Pichu from the game.
Jigglypuff will stay. She's one of the original 12, and very populair in Japan.

And I sure hope as hell Mewtwo stays! Not because he's one of my favorite characters in Melee. He's just a typical character for a game as Smash Bros. However he totally sucks ass in Melee (he's the very worst character from the game for the record) I'd sure wanna see him up graded.

EDIT: Btw watch I laughed about your post. No offence or anything.
But Fox is the best character from Melee, and Mewtwo is the worst. No wonder why you prefer Fox over him. XD

[My Best Wishes]

I didn't know that. Fox has just been one of my favourites since 64 because of his B moves, and the added -> B dash move.

Following Raven, who is Pit?

[Toasty]

Pit is from the old SNES (or NES, can't remember ) game "kid Icarus." He's some kinda guardian/messenger/angle dude for the Gods. I'll deffinately use him. Along with Metaknight of course.

[Golden Legacy]

All about Pit, taken from Brawl's official website:

http://www.smashbros...ara2/index.html

[My Best Wishes]

He looks alright. A bow that turns into a sword....hmm. I like the new Samus though, has two guns! :P

[Caael]

Where the hell did you get that idea? She has a pistol/ whip type thing.

Pit and Zero suit samus I will probably use the most. I like the light, but strong characters the most.

[TheEnglishman]

I always go with characters I know and like. Not very strategic I know but I prefer to go with ones I know.

[Caael]

It cant hurt to try new things. I was getting bored of Marth anyway.

The way I see it is Marth+ Projectiles- age+ plastic surgery+ wings and bow= Pit.

[TheEnglishman]

Interesting point. :P
And I am willing to try new characters, but I always feel I should play as the ones I know.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Caael, on Oct 18 2006, 04:59 PM, said:

The way I see it is Marth+ Projectiles- age+ plastic surgery+ wings and bow= Pit.

Hahah and ofcoarse - uber range and tipper eh. :P

I think Pit would be more of a Sheik-Roy character. With Kirby/Jigglypuff like jumps.
Why I think he'd be like Sheik and Roy and not like Marth? Well because his daggers are very short ranged, and in the screenshots it looks like he has pretty much of moves where he strikes with more than once.

I just hope his areals won't be as crappy as Roy's. I mean, that would be a big waste! He's a flying character, which flies way faster up then Kirby or Jigglypuff. I would really wanna see him being the first character that has to stay, and force the opponent into the air (by like aiming arrows from the sky?).

[My Best Wishes]

I thought I read Samus had two guns.

Pit sounds alright but I'll probably stick with Ness.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Even though Diddy has decent change of making it to Brawl. I think I'll still play as Donkey Kong no mather what. :P

[Aquamarine]

I can't say who I'm going to like to play as, since that is impossible for anyone to say at the moment, but I will of course try them all out and see for myself who I like. I usually use fast, but a bit weak characters in fighting games, but one of my faves in Melee is Link, who totally contradicts what I just said. My faves in the first Smash were Link, Mario, Pikachu and Kirby, and only Link has remained one of my five favorites in Melee, so you really can't know.

Me111: Playing only with characters you know and like really isn't a good idea. That means I wouldn't play Jigglypuff(who I don't like as a character), Marth(who I didn't know anything about before Melee) and Ness(who I didn't know anything about AND who I don't like as a character). They are all among my five fave fighters.

[Sea of Time]

Pit sounds good because he'll be a high jumper. But I guarantee that he will 'float' somewhat, making him susceptible to mid-air attacks. For me, Falco is the best of both worlds. He can jump high, but he lands quickly, making mid-air attacks fast and unexpected.

[Aquamarine]

Falco is also one of my five fave fighters. He rocks.
I have a feeling I'll like Pit and MetaKnight. They seem to be just up my alley(didn't want to sound rude). I probably won't like Wario much, since I don't really like using heavy weights. The first character I'll use when I play my first fight in the game will be MetaKnight. Who will you choose?

[Sea of Time]

Metaknight, though, will probably have the same problem as Pit. I assume he'll be the same in motion as Kirby, he will be stronger, and he won't have the 'copy' move. So, he too is susceptible to mid-air attacks, just like Kirby.

[TheEnglishman]

Aquamarine, on Oct 19 2006, 03:45 PM, said:

Me111: Playing only with characters you know and like really isn't a good idea. That means I wouldn't play Jigglypuff(who I don't like as a character), Marth(who I didn't know anything about before Melee) and Ness(who I didn't know anything about AND who I don't like as a character). They are all among my five fave fighters.

I'm not saying I always play as the ones I know, just most of the time. Besides I'd rather go with the ones I'd want to play as than somebody else who is a better fighter. I found enjoyment from playing as somebody that I want.

[Aquamarine]

I sort of know what you mean. I'm not as good with Ness as I am with Falco or Jigglypuff, but I count Ness as one of my five fave fighters because I have a lot of fun using him. I just love his fighting style and unique moves. It's not exactly the same thing as what you said, but it's simmilar in a way.

[Sea of Time]

Same with me and Kirby. I like being Kirby because it's insanely fun, but when it comes to the serious battles, I have to use Falco because I can use his speed as an advantage, something I can't do with Kirby (even though it is fun to be monkey Kirby)

[I'm Always BROKE]

I guess you can say the same with me and DK.
However, I do use him in serious battles though.
I can also play well with Pichu, Mewtwo, Yoshi and Jigglypuff. Jigglypuff is the only character which you can encounter in serious tournaments of those 5 characters. However, you won't see her that much as the likes of Fox, Falco, Sheik and Marth.

[Aquamarine]

Wow, you use both Pichu AND Mewtwo? I always disliked using them... After I unlocked Mewtwo I began using him quite a lot, but I saw how bad he is. What a shame. But I guess that just depends on how well you've mastered him, as it does with most characters.
What has Pichu got that Pikachu hasn't? It seems to me that Pikachu is better in every single way than Pichu.
And I use Ness in serious battles, even though I can't KO as much as I can with some others.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Ness has nice killing moves though, the Bat for example. Also his Back Areal move is nice for edgeguarding.

Why I play Pichu? Well, because he's a very fun character to use. I used to main Pikachu when SSBM was launched. But he got nerfed so badly in Melee... Then I unlocked Mewtwo. I played only as him for around 2 years. Then I picked up DK, which I now main for about 1 and a half year.

I picked Pichu later as a secondairy. He's small and hard to hit, has awesome recovery and has a spam able projectile. Pichu can kill almost all characters at 60% with a well placed Forward Smash attack. The only big problem Pichu has isn't that he damages himself, but his huge lack of range. That's the only reason why he's so low on the tier list.

[Aquamarine]

I noticed that in Stamina Mode, even though he damages himself, Pichu is possibly the best character to choose. I don't know why, I just do really well with him in this mode, even though I'm not so good with him in normal play.

You've been to a few tournaments, haven't you Diddy? Were they world, European or tournaments for people only from the Netherlands? Also, how did you rank?
I'm surprised you like using two bottom-tier characters, since you say these tiers are very accurate and true.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Well, I've never been to tournaments myself. I'm far too lazy and they aren't free. A Low Tier tournament is around 10 Euro, and a High Tier tournament is around 20 Euro.

But I'm a classmate of someone who does goes to tournaments. He's considered being the best Young Link player of Europe, and he plays Ganondorf to.

He mostly always wins. We play on tournament style, that means only limited stages and 4 stocks. It's always close though with his Young Link vs my Donkey Kong. I almost won one time, he had around 120% but I still lost. Meh, I'm improving everytime I play against him... So perhaps I will once enter a tournament... If I've got the cash. :)

[Sea of Time]

I could never win at a tournament. In fact, if I were to play you guys, you'd probably all be saying, "Wow, you really suck." And that's probably true. I guess I take more pride in my sports games skills, which I can pick up and almost master in a matter of hours.

I'm still working on my SSBM skills though.

[TheEnglishman]

I have no SSBM skills to talk of. Heck if I don't play it for long enough I have to relearn the controls!

[Toasty]

XD!
Like I've said before, I used to be really good. I kinda suck now, havn't played in a while. I should have my memory of the game erased in my brain so I can start over and kick ass again. =D

[My Best Wishes]

Cannot wait until wifi Brawl. It will rock.

SoT- You and me at Madden :)

[Caael]

I find it quite sad when one of my friends who hasnt played SSBM cant even double jump when they fall off. Even I could do that on the N64 SSB.

[Sea of Time]

watch, on Oct 27 2006, 01:40 AM, said:

Cannot wait until wifi Brawl. It will rock.

SoT- You and me at Madden :)

If we were playing on the PS3 instead of with that wonky controller, I would kick your ass so bad. :) IT'S ON!

[Aquamarine]

Never mind if you're not good at Smash Bros. SoT, I still want to play Brawl against you. I don't care whether I'm going to win or lose, all I want is just to play it with you guys. That will be awesome.

[Sea of Time]

Yeah, friends forever! *hifives*

....that was creepy. But still, it'll be fun to play you guys after spending 93 pages in this topic and almost 200 in the last talking about the possibilities of online play. Seriously, I've been waiting for this game longer than...........I can't remember!

[Aquamarine]

I sure as hell hope Brawl doesn't come out before winter of next year. Melee is possibly the best game I've ever played, and I'm hoping Brawl can compete with it. If they rush it and don't add enough new things to the gameplay and put a load of clones again I will be very unpleased.

But thankfuly it seems the game won't be released any time soon. I would wait another 3 years if I had to, anything to make the game as best as they can.

[Caael]

Now we wouldnt want that. I wouldnt want it before April. Anything after is good.

[Toasty]

I'll accept anyone's challenge. Finally I can actullay play against people other than my two best friends.

[My Best Wishes]

I agree Toasty. It will rock! I'll be able to play people at my house, my friends even though we're not in the same area, GSS people and then the absolute random people. ;)

[Aquamarine]

Something that Brawl absolutely NEEDS is a ranking of the best players in the world. All their wins, losses... The sad thing is, Sakurai already said Brawl probably won't have this. And I was really looking forward to something like that.

[Sea of Time]

I don't see why they can't do that. Will it slow things down by ranking people? I would love to see the best players in the world, take them on, and get embarassed badly.