[TheEnglishman]

I know I'll get yelled at for saying this, but I just don't think GS is popular enough to have a playable character. Yes it's a good series but it doesn't rank up with the more well known ones. It just produced two great GBA games.
I would agree that it deserves some sort of Assist trophy or sticker though.

[Laharl]

Me111, on Jan 28 2008, 04:46 PM, said:

I know I'll get yelled at for saying this, but I just don't think GS is popular enough to have a playable character. Yes it's a good series but it doesn't rank up with the more well known ones. It just produced two great GBA games.
I would agree that it deserves some sort of Assist trophy or sticker though.

agreed

now you have to yell at both of us! :b

you have to bear in mind what the japanese populace likes is going to take precedent, if they didnt like GS, it simply isnt going to have a large showing in brawl

[Drizzy Drake]

There are alot of aspects that say he will be in, but there are also alot that say he won't. We'll jsut have to wait.

[Blitz Ace]

Well if they are going to make a GS3 then it will get a rep, if not then it won't.

I think that's what got Olimar to playable character status over assist trophy honestly, Pikmin 3 on the Wii.

[Moonear]

Oh my god, Vault is a town in Golden Sun, that must mean that A GOLDEN SUN CHARACTER WILL BE IN BRAWL!!!11one

[Drizzy Drake]

I never even played Pikmin 1&2, and I don't really plan to. I probably won't play as CO in SSBB.

[Caael]

You're missing out on one of the most creative, most fun series to play on a nintendo system.

I really dont care who makes it into Brawl anymore, i'm only gonna play it with mates.

[Drizzy Drake]

I will most likely still main Link though. It would be funny if Issac got in, and we had turney's here, and almsot everybody was playing as Issac on account of the fanboyism.

[Golden Legacy]

ihatekraden, on Jan 28 2008, 06:15 PM, said:

Oh my god, Vault is a town in Golden Sun, that must mean that A GOLDEN SUN CHARACTER WILL BE IN BRAWL!!!11one

LOL.

I love the second example of the stage builder they show, it's almost like a maze. I can see some creative ideas being tossed around for that one, and that alone should make Brawl's already huge replay value that much bigger.

Plus, 3 minutes of gameplay footage is awesome! One (silly) question though - do you have to "record" it and actively do so when playing? Or, after finishing a match, does the game "remember" the last 3 minutes and can let you record it?

[Caael]

Might be like in Halo where it automatically records the last 25 matches you played. Except not 25, because the Wii doesnt have enough memory.

[Drizzy Drake]

Making your own stages looks very fun, and will probably lead to some great designs, becasue we all know there will be some people out their who make incredible designs, of stages that they thought should be in the game.

[Folcon]

Once Brawl comes out, we totaly have to have a stage builder contest. Everyone that wants to particapate makes a stage and posts a pic, then we vote for the best.

[Eugine]

I would obviously be maining Zelda/Sheik =). Depending on how Sonic plays, I think I may just switch to him.

Anyway, I have a question.
Would we be able (for eg, GSSF members) be able to play together in four battle characters matches? Or even hold tournaments using the game?

[Folcon]

I beleave so, we just need each others FCs for Wii and Brawl.

[Blitz Ace]

Yeah I hope we get tournaments running here once everyone has this.

[Nosferatu]

Well I believe we have more then enough time to organize them.

[Golden Legacy]

escout, on Jan 28 2008, 07:29 PM, said:

I beleave so, we just need each others FCs for Wii and Brawl.

Wait, we need the Wii codes and the Brawl codes too?

[Drizzy Drake]

Has it been told how many stages there will be?

[Folcon]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 28 2008, 07:43 PM, said:

Wait, we need the Wii codes and the Brawl codes too?

I think so, I'll go check the site and verify it.

[Eugine]

Wow. The online for the Wii sucks badly if we have to go through all these steps just to play with some online friends!

[Golden Legacy]

.eugine, on Jan 28 2008, 11:59 PM, said:

Wow. The online for the Wii sucks badly if we have to go through all these steps just to play with some online friends!

This wholeheartedly explains why.

[Nosferatu]

Hey everybody, I'd go check Brawl Central for the Brawl opening video.

Quote

Here's the opening of Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Notice Ness and Marth in there.

[Folcon]

well this is all the brawl site says about it.

[Golden Legacy]

GREAT OPENING! Wow, they've really gone all out - I love all the hints at the Subspace Emissary, about who gets paired up with what... man. My urge to get Brawl has gone up tenfold.

[Nosferatu]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 28 2008, 08:08 PM, said:

GREAT OPENING! Wow, they've really gone all out - I love all the hints at the Subspace Emissary, about who gets paired up with what... man. My urge to get Brawl has gone up tenfold.

If you ask me, the SSE looks to be insanely epic. But mind you, what game with an amount of such great characters WOULDN'T be epic?

Marth <3. And the fact that Ness is OBVIOUSLY 100% confirmed now, means Lucario has some MAJOR truth there.

[Golden Legacy]

I'm still a little upset that Marth is now in (I always felt that having a second blue-haired swordsman from FE was a little much), but I loved him in Melee and I'm sure I'll just accept it. And yes, now that Ness is in, Lucario is most assuredly in too.

But yeah, this game will be epic - apparently, for the Famitsu review, a lot of the perfect 40/40 was attributed to what was called an amazing storyline for Subsace.

[Nosferatu]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 28 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

I'm still a little upset that Marth is now in (I always felt that having a second blue-haired swordsman from FE was a little much), but I loved him in Melee and I'm sure I'll just accept it. And yes, now that Ness is in, Lucario is most assuredly in too.

I liked Roy more then I liked Marth, but since they are essentially the same I can accept it. Meta Knight + Ike + Marth? How can that combo not be awesome?

It's things like this that depress everyone who doesn't live in Japan. Watch Ness, Marth or Lucario get confirmed this week on the Dojo.

[Folcon]

I just want the game to come out so I can get it.

[Mallick]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 28 2008, 08:53 AM, said:

agreed

now you have to yell at both of us! :b

you have to bear in mind what the japanese populace likes is going to take precedent, if they didnt like GS, it simply isnt going to have a large showing in brawl

3 pplz



btw i still dunno who loocarius is!

who is loocarius.

[Toasty]

The video's not comming up for me, and I don't see it on any of the regions. D:

[EDIT] *facepalm* Wrong site. D: I found it.

[EDIT 2] All I have to say about the video, is EPIC. That is all.

[EDIT 3] BRAWL IS USING THE HAVOC PHYSICS ENGINE! YES!

[Nosferatu]

...Oh my. My prayers have been answered.
New character confirmed on Brawl Central. (Three in one day. ****ing record.)

None other then The Mustachioed Green Baron himself.

I've always wanted to call him that.

[Mallick]

He's been confirmed since a long time ago because of the retard working for nintendo that let his name slip out in a video?

[ZephyrAnalea]

Only three more days until this game hits Japan, so we should get the whole character list by the end of the week! If only Isaac makes it as a playable character, who do you think would make it in as assist trophies?

[Nosferatu]

Mallick, on Jan 28 2008, 10:11 PM, said:

He's been confirmed since a long time ago because of the retard working for nintendo that let his name slip out in a video?

Well there IS that, but this is more solid proof then a retard's words.

[Blitz Ace]

$10 on the rest of this weeks updates being nothing new.

I guess it's a good move on their part...even though we will know all soon enough.

[Nosferatu]

Speculation will be in italics.

Brawl Updates

Characters
- Newcomer: R.O.B.
- Newcomer: Bomberman (In the bottom left between Snake and Wario)
- Veteran Challenger: Young Link
- Newcomer: Lucario (100% confirmation)
- Veteran Challenger: Captain Falcon (100 confirmation)
- Veteran Challenger: Falco (100% confirmation)
- Veteran Challenger: Luigi (100% confirmation)
- Veteran Challenger: Gannondorf (100% confirmation)
- Veteran Challenger: Mr. Game & Watch (100% confirmation)

Impressions
- Veteran Challenger info: Marth - Virtually no start up lag. Fast, clean attacks. Power and reach nerfed. Sweet spot on sword is unknown as of now. Seems much faster then in Melee.

Stages
- New Stage: F-Zero (Port Town, Aero Drive)
- New Stage: Sonic (Green Hill Zone)

Other
- Boss: Ridley
- Boss/ Enemies: Robot Samus
- Dedede likes collecting "trophies."
- Release date pushed back to Feb 10.

Brawl Central is still down, and it's 4am. Will continue updating in the morning.

[Mallick]

Mallick, on Jan 28 2008, 01:31 AM, said:

Felix, marth, captain falcon, megaman, ness, lucarios, jigglypuff, K-Rool, falco, Bowser Jr, Ridley, Ganondorf, Krystal, bomberman, Luigi(who is technically confirmed)

That's a few MOAR than 13.

Hopefully someone can confirm that's not edited.

[Toasty]

It's not. I remember those characters being in your post. But keep in mind, the newcommers are just speculation. Not confirmed.

[Nosferatu]

I'll keep track of Brawlmageddon, so I'll keep updating that post. If anybody else finds anything, tell me and I will update accordingly. When we get to the next page, I'll just link back, or start updating there.

[Laharl]

pretty sure i've already mentioned all these "confirmations" several times :/

but hey, i research outside of Smash boards and IGN so i obviously dont know anything

[Nosferatu]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 29 2008, 02:34 AM, said:

pretty sure i've already mentioned all these "confirmations" several times :/

but hey, i research outside of Smash boards and IGN so i obviously dont know anything

I'm using Brawl Central, IGN until it's back up and 4chan/ 2chan right now.

Post being updated.

[Mallick]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 29 2008, 02:34 AM, said:

pretty sure i've already mentioned all these "confirmations" several times :/

but hey, i research outside of Smash boards and IGN so i obviously dont know anything

it was good, but inaccurate.

6/10

[Blitz Ace]

I haven't seen anything confirming Ganondorf as playable yet...please correct me?

[Laharl]

Ganondorf confirmed

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z254/laharl_the_slayer_07/1201615259860.jpg

Brawl just got whole lot better

[Drizzy Drake]

So Young Link will be WW Link?

[Envy]

The Brawl roster officially sucks.

Sakurai has slapped the fans in the face with this roster.

[Drizzy Drake]

Like, where the **** can they go from this. It will be on the NEXT Nintendo system, if history repeats itself. But still, what new set of like 30 characters would they include. If they make a new game it would jsut be Random Nintendo Characters Fighting.

[Laharl]

aww....because there's no Isaac? :/

more confirmations

Falco (still a clone of Fox D: )

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7503/1201601933736lh1.jpg

Captain Falcon

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7456/2227685175d173f934c3sz0.jpg

Mr Game & Watch (performing his final smash)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8813/1201606985846gp3.jpg

Lucario

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8577/2228476582d60ea5011evv8.jpg

there is pics of Ness and Marth too but they've been confirmed. (although Ness is a clone of Lucas)

thanks to the Japanese players of Dairantou Smashbrothers X and Alexander of disgaea.akai-tsuki.net

[Golden Legacy]

Ganondorf has his TP look, amazing.

I second Skidz's question - is Young Link the cel-shaded WW/Phantom Hourglass one?

[Caael]

Yaaay my main is back

[TheEnglishman]

Well I guess all the fun 'I hope they've got *obscure unknown character*!' is over.

[Laharl]

someone please tell where this "final roster" is, because it aint on brawl central, either are any of the things Nos claimed

[Golden Legacy]

Whoa, wait a second there!

First of all, someone explain to me if the final roster has been leaked, or just some of the characters? I find it hard to believe that it could be leaked, in its entirety, before its release.

EDIT: yeah, what laharl said.

[TheEnglishman]

I guess people assume that the trailer shows all the characters. If there were any left, they clearly aren't important enough to be shown.

[Caael]

No Ridley is a bit dissapointing but i'm not too bothered.

[Laharl]

32 characters have been confirmed (counting Zelda and Shiek as seperate characters), that leaves 3 or 8 characters remaining, depending on the roster size, which looks likely to be 40

plenty of space for surprises

[Golden Legacy]

And I'll also add that there is no way that EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER could have been unlocked. It's simply impossible that the entire Subspace Emissary could have been played through (multiple times perhaps) to unlock them all. I remember in Melee you had to unlock Mewtwo by playing 400 vs matches, for example. There's simply no way.

I'm willing to accept that these are characters that you can get early on, whether it's playing through Subspace or clearing Classic, etc. But like laharl, I'm also still of the belief that there are a few surprises left.

[Toasty]

^ One of them had to last like, 12 hours or something. Or 24. But I had to leave my GC on overnight to unlock him. He was a dissapointment. D:

[Caael]

I just played the event matches to get them.

[Drizzy Drake]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 29 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

And I'll also add that there is no way that EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER could have been unlocked. It's simply impossible that the entire Subspace Emissary could have been played through (multiple times perhaps) to unlock them all. I remember in Melee you had to unlock Mewtwo by playing 400 vs matches, for example. There's simply no way.

I'm willing to accept that these are characters that you can get early on, whether it's playing through Subspace or clearing Classic, etc. But like laharl, I'm also still of the belief that there are a few surprises left.

Or you can jsut leave your Gamecube on overnight.

But some characters like Luigi were different to unlock, so I hope they still have special ways to unlock some characters. Ganondorf was cool too.

[Envy]

I'm going to be honest here, and I am not disappointed with the roster completely because the lack of Isaac, it's got so many other problems.

Look at this:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c104/BassoonForLife/viploader570850.jpg

WW Link is holding a BOW AND ARROW. What does that mean? WW Link is probably a freaking clone of Link. That is just...beyond unacceptable. I had hope that maybe WW Link would save this roster by being a totally unique character, but I was wrong.

It looks to me that Sakurai focused too much on the SSE. I like how he introduced a story into it all, but he can't forget the driving point of the series and what allows us to replay it for so long without getting bored: The characters and the VS. mode. The characters look rushed to me. Wolf and Falco? I like Falco, but I fear that both of them will be Fox clones, and then we have the rumors that Ganondorf didn't get a new moveset. Add on with the WW Link and Lucario (who probably stole Mewtwo's moveset) and R.O.B. are the only really unique unannounced characters.

Furthermore, this roster is a slap in the face to the fans. It's as if Sakurai forgot about them after adding Sonic. I feared that it would happen.

[Drizzy Drake]

I thought there wasn't gonig to be clones, but what abotu Ness, and possibly Wolf&Falco. And now if WW Link is a clone, that's jsut, ahhhhh.

[ZephyrAnalea]

Sorry to anyone who likes WindWaker, but adding toon link was just a horrible idea. Mini Link was one of my favorite characters in Melee!
How many unannounced characters are left? We neeeed Mewtwo and Isaac.

[Drizzy Drake]

I would only want Mewtwo if he wasn't BUTTERCHERD liek he was in SSBM. He sucked completly in SSBM, and I'd only want him in if he had better moves, and was a better all around fighter.

[TheEnglishman]

@Envy: To be honest, there's little point in complaining about the gameplay and characters before playing it. I'd only complain about it after playing the thing myself.

[Caael]

Yeah, and complaining wont change the game. I do like WW link though. Just because he has a bow doesn't mean he's going to be a clone of Link. Lighten the hell up Envy, it's just a game.

[Golden Legacy]

http://www.goldensun-syndicate.net/forum/public/style_images/gssv3/snapback.png' alt='View Post' />Envy, on Jan 29 2008, 02:19 PM, said:

WW Link is holding a BOW AND ARROW. What does that mean? WW Link is probably a freaking clone of Link. That is just...beyond unacceptable. I had hope that maybe WW Link would save this roster by being a totally unique character, but I was wrong.

THEY HAVE MY CEL-SHADED LINK! THEY HAVE MY WIND WAKER STAGE!

I think I might just die of delight. :ph34r:

[Caael]

Even if he is a link Clone, he'll be much more fun to use than normal link.

[Nosferatu]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 29 2008, 08:21 AM, said:

First of all, someone explain to me if the final roster has been leaked, or just some of the characters? I find it hard to believe that it could be leaked, in its entirety, before its release.

Sakurai said that most characters would be unlocked through SSE. He never said anything about all.

And that's just like Larhal. Most of the pictures were from Brawl Central BEFORE it went down. They didn't host on their server, so they wouldn't waste space.

I'm not giving up on one or two new characters until it's truly over.

And for ****'s sake! If someone is going to make a ****in' list of stuff until 4am, and LEAST have the decency to LOOK AT IT.

laharl the slayer, on Jan 29 2008, 06:26 AM, said:

Ganondorf confirmed

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z254/laharl_the_slayer_07/1201615259860.jpg

Exactly what I mean.

[Golden Legacy]

Is that directed towards me? I'm well aware of the roster. I'm well aware that

Spoiler

Lucario, Ness, Ganondorf, Marth, ROB (???), Toon Link, Wolf, Falco, Mr. Game And Watch, and Captain Falcon

have all been revealed in the past few hours. I'm just not certain why people are thinking that's the final roster.

And if it is, yes it might disappoint in some ways (lack of Isaac, Krystal, and Micaiah for me), but this roster still rocks in other ways. Guys, we have Snake - SOLID EFFIN' SNAKE. We have a Pokemon Trainer with three amazing Pokemon to use in real-time battle, we have Pit, we have Metaknight, WE HAVE SONIC. We have so many more, and improved, characters over Melee. Don't forget how much effort they've put into this game, we're going to love it no matter what.

[Drizzy Drake]

Nothing is gonig to hold me back from buying it the first day.

[Caael]

Unless your name is Envy and you get really annoyed about one character

[Drizzy Drake]

I jsut want to beat the hell out of Olimar. :ph34r:.

[Nosferatu]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 29 2008, 11:57 AM, said:

Is that directed towards me?

And if it is, yes it might disappoint in some ways (lack of Isaac, Krystal, and Micaiah for me), but this roster still rocks in other ways. Guys, we have Snake - SOLID EFFIN' SNAKE. We have a Pokemon Trainer with three amazing Pokemon to use in real-time battle, we have Pit, Metaknight, WE HAVE SONIC. We have so many more, and improved, characters over Melee. Don't forget how much effort they've put into this game, we're going to love it no matter what.

No, not you. Just ingrates such as larharl. Remind me to NOT do anything nice for him.

I can say that I would have liked to have seen Isaac in there, and that thing about the actress who voices Krystal in Brawl, I think it's safe to assume Krystal is an AT. If people want to complain, good for them. Don't buy it. When you get your pre-order money back give it to me.

I'm just happy I get to kick Ridley's ass in one way.

Well, I need to think about who I'm using now.

[Mallick]

I'm giving it a hard thought. Samus? Hm... FALCOONNNNNN PUNCH! Nah.

Ike? We'll see if he's truly bad on the release.


@Rifey: if he's being a nagger just don't pay attention D:

[TheEnglishman]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 29 2008, 07:57 PM, said:

Is that directed towards me? I'm well aware of the roster. I'm well aware that

Spoiler

Lucario, Ness, Ganondorf, Marth, ROB (???), Toon Link, Wolf, Falco, Mr. Game And Watch, and Captain Falcon

have all been revealed in the past few hours. I'm just not certain why people are thinking that's the final roster.

And if it is, yes it might disappoint in some ways (lack of Isaac, Krystal, and Micaiah for me), but this roster still rocks in other ways. Guys, we have Snake - SOLID EFFIN' SNAKE. We have a Pokemon Trainer with three amazing Pokemon to use in real-time battle, we have Pit, we have Metaknight, WE HAVE SONIC. We have so many more, and improved, characters over Melee. Don't forget how much effort they've put into this game, we're going to love it no matter what.

SOLID EFFIN' SNAKE! :ph34r:
But yeah I'd agree, I like what I see in Brawl and the slight disappointments are generally outweighed by the new characters. I wouldn't call pokemon amazing though...

[Drizzy Drake]

But, it's Charzard...That is awsome.

[TheEnglishman]

It was back in 1998. Less so now.

[Drizzy Drake]

Meh. Do we know Lucario's moveset yet?

[Laharl]

Nosferatu, on Jan 29 2008, 08:11 PM, said:

No, not you. Just ingrates such as larharl. Remind me to NOT do anything nice for him.

dont do anything nice for me, get hit by a truck while you're at it. I post stuff here to inform people, not to earn a ****ing medal

Am i the only one who doubts the validity of "Toon" Link? I've never heard WW Link refered to as that, Young Link makes a lot more sense, well whatever if he is in then Sakurai has gone back on his word once again, i remember him saying "there will be no clones in Brawl" quite early in the game's development

[Drizzy Drake]

ANd having Falco AND Wolf doesn't look good either. I mean, 3 different movesets for 3 similar characters seems kind of far-fetched.

[TheEnglishman]

I felt it was strange to give him the name 'Toon Link' as well, but it would be tough to fake that wouldn't it?

[Drizzy Drake]

Do we really know if it Toon Link, or is it just a rumor?

[Caael]

I wouldnt call it legit yet. Give it until thursday :ph34r:

[Golden Legacy]

Well, I can't deny that I prefer "Young Link", but "Toon Link" makes a clear reference to the Cel-Shaded style, and also universally includes not just Wind Waker, but Phantom Hourglass, Minish Cap, and the Four Swords games.

[Laharl]

4 swords doesnt really count and Minish Cap Link doesnt look he has a freakishly large tumour inside his head :b

[Drizzy Drake]

Will we finally get a real Dark Link costume? I hope so.

[Laharl]

yes, that was confirmed many moons a go

[Envy]

Caael, on Jan 29 2008, 02:03 PM, said:

Unless your name is Envy and you get really annoyed about one character

Isaac? No.

It's not Isaac. It's the roster. It's the lack of so many characters that could bring so much more than what they put in.

[Caael]

I agree with that, but there's nothing we can do. I think everybody had that small feeling that Brawl wouldn't live up to the hype

[Envy]

I always had a feeling that it would disappoint, but I really didn't think it would turn out this bad.

[Caael]

It's not majorly horrible, but it just feels that Sakurai was being half assed while making the final touches.

[Envy]

It does really seem like the unlockable newcomers where half assed. Especially if WW Link really turns out to be a Link clone.

[Blitz Ace]

I'm the only one that's happy so far?

[Moonear]

Could anyone explain to me what everyone is upset about?

[TheEnglishman]

I'm doing the 'reserve judgement until release' idea.

[Laharl]

i'm quite impressed with roster so far, if they put Micaiah in aswell that would be amazing and then could fill the remaining spaces with Goombas for al i care

Black Shadow would be nice too

[gsninja]

I thought I would never get disappointed by the roster. The fact that Lucario replaced Mewtwo changed all that. Honestly, it's just ridiculous.

Isaac most likely won't be playable now, but there's always hope for him being an AT, right? ^.^

[Caael]

It's better than nothing. They have Olimar and Marth. Thats all I need to be happy. I was hoping for some Castlevania reps in the form of AT's, but doesn't seem to be happening.

[Drizzy Drake]

Castlevania would have been a great choice.

[Envy]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 29 2008, 04:05 PM, said:

i'm quite impressed with roster so far, if they put Micaiah in aswell that would be amazing and then could fill the remaining spaces with Goombas for al i care

Black Shadow would be nice too

Except there are no remaining spaces, Wolf will be the last one. Honestly, if there were a few spots left I don't think that Micaiah and Black Shadow would deserve them.

[Drizzy Drake]

gsninja, on Jan 29 2008, 05:11 PM, said:

I thought I would never get disappointed by the roster. The fact that Lucario replaced Mewtwo changed all that. Honestly, it's just ridiculous.

Isaac most likely won't be playable now, but there's always hope for him being an AT, right? ^.^

Why are you dissapointed? Mewtwo sucked, badly. I don't care if Lucario is a newish pokemon, as long as he doesn't suck, I will be happy.

[Envy]

Mewtwo is so important to the Pokemon series, Lucario is not. period.

Mewtwo deserved it more than Jigglypuff from what I could see.

[Drizzy Drake]

But he SUCKED, badly.

[Envy]

Skidzorz, on Jan 29 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

But he SUCKED, badly.

That could have been changed.

I just don't see what was the reason for this. Sakurai kept Ness, but not Mewtwo. It's just... wrong.

[Laharl]

Envy, on Jan 29 2008, 10:21 PM, said:

Except there are no remaining spaces, Wolf will be the last one. Honestly, if there were a few spots left I don't think that Micaiah and Black Shadow would deserve them.

big claims my young fanboy friend, evidence to support this?

[gsninja]

Skidzorz, on Jan 29 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

Why are you dissapointed? Mewtwo sucked, badly. I don't care if Lucario is a newish pokemon, as long as he doesn't suck, I will be happy.

Mewtwo:

-Has starred in two(?) movies
-Third most popular Pokemon in existence
-Single-handedly created the Uber tier

Lucario:

-Has starred in a movie
-Is 4th gen
-Twentieth or so most popular Pokemon in existence

Lucario, although a Pokemon from the most recent generation, isn't even all that great of a Pokemon; his greatest popularity came from his movie. Mewtwo did more and destroys Lucario to hell and back in the Pokemon RPGs. It doesn't matter if he sucked in Melee; he has a lot going for him, more than Lucario.

Anyways, I'm still going to enjoy Brawl anyways, I just know it. XD

[Drizzy Drake]

Who would be the second most popular Pokemon, seeing as Pikachu is first.

And Uber teir?

[Golden Legacy]

Envy, on Jan 29 2008, 05:48 PM, said:

Isaac? No.

It's not Isaac. It's the roster. It's the lack of so many characters that could bring so much more than what they put in.

Caael, on Jan 29 2008, 05:51 PM, said:

I agree with that, but there's nothing we can do. I think everybody had that small feeling that Brawl wouldn't live up to the hype

Envy, on Jan 29 2008, 05:51 PM, said:

I always had a feeling that it would disappoint, but I really didn't think it would turn out this bad.

Caael, on Jan 29 2008, 05:52 PM, said:

It's not majorly horrible, but it just feels that Sakurai was being half assed while making the final touches.

Envy, on Jan 29 2008, 05:56 PM, said:

It does really seem like the unlockable newcomers where half assed. Especially if WW Link really turns out to be a Link clone.

Blitz Ace, on Jan 29 2008, 05:57 PM, said:

I'm the only one that's happy so far?

ihatekraden, on Jan 29 2008, 05:58 PM, said:

Could anyone explain to me what everyone is upset about?

Me111, on Jan 29 2008, 05:58 PM, said:

I'm doing the 'reserve judgement until release' idea.

laharl the slayer, on Jan 29 2008, 06:05 PM, said:

i'm quite impressed with roster so far, if they put Micaiah in aswell that would be amazing and then could fill the remaining spaces with Goombas for al i care

Black Shadow would be nice too

I'd like to say something here.
First of all, the Dojo was a privelage - we knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started to regularly check updates. The problem is that we've been conditioned with TWELVE NEWCOMERS in the course of less than a year. 12 Newcomers that we, right now, think of as being "veterans" just because we've known about them so long. I guarantee you, that had we just now discovered about the likes of Ike, of Pokemon Trainer, or of Sonic, our hype for Brawl would explode, and we would be proclaiming the roster as absolutely amazing. I guarantee that most gamers not only haven't checked the Dojo, but when they walk into the store on launch day to pick up that copy of Smash, the roster will absolutely blow their ****ing minds.

[Envy]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 29 2008, 04:30 PM, said:

big claims my young fanboy friend, evidence to support this?

The people who leaked the roster.

35 is the exact number. They even called WW Link "Toon Link" (which is really what he is called) as opposed to the logical "Young Link".

It's obvious that it's for real. And Wolf is the only one left. I'd love for it to be proved wrong, but it's not happening.

[Drizzy Drake]

Perfectly worded there GL. I am still amazed by the roster. I don't look at who should be in, but who IS in, and it is great. Yeah, they could've used a few more (Issac, Megaman, Simon Belmont, FE Girl) but the roster is still great. Like, Sonic and Snake for gods sake.

[gsninja]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 29 2008, 02:33 PM, said:

I'd like to say something here.
First of all, the Dojo was a privelage - we knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started to regularly check updates. The problem is that we've been conditioned with TWELVE NEWCOMERS in the course of less than a year. 12 Newcomers that we, right now, think of as being "veterans" just because we've known about them so long. I guarantee you, that had we just now discovered about the likes of Ike, of Pokemon Trainer, or of Sonic, our hype for Brawl would explode, and we would be proclaiming the roster as absolutely amazing. I guarantee that most gamers not only haven't checked the Dojo, but when they walk into the store on launch day to pick up that copy of Smash, the roster will absolutely blow their ****ing minds.

Well, obviously it's a privilege (You misspelled. :\). Also, I'm quite aware that there are people who don't check the Dojo and/or don't have any info on Brawl and will therefore be super amazed when Brawl comes out. Face it, though; a ton of people check the Dojo and know these characters quite well. =P

Also, Skid, Pikachu's the second most popular. The most popular is Jigglypuff.

[Laharl]

@GL: please dont talk like you're part of the design team.

discussing ifs and buts is pointless, yeah if that stuff had of happened it'd be different. but it didnt. DEAL WITH IT.

the dedicated researchers have proved more useful than brawl central anyhow

[Caael]

Is Jigglypuff even in Brawl?

[Drizzy Drake]

Are you kidding?!!!!!


No way do more people know about Jigglypuff than Pikachu. Even NON Pokemon players know abotu Pikachu, but bring up Jigglypuff and they say "who".

EDIT-At GSN.

[Envy]

Caael, on Jan 29 2008, 04:41 PM, said:

Is Jigglypuff even in Brawl?

Yes.

All of the veterans returned except for Roy, Mewtwo, Pichu and Dr. Mario. You could count Young Link, too... However I think that Toon Link is just Brawl's incarnation of him.

[Laharl]

once again the japanese fanbase is ignored, they have a much bigger bearing on these matters, that said i am a little surprised

And yes Jigglypuff has been confirmed

[Golden Legacy]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 29 2008, 06:40 PM, said:

@GL: please dont talk like you're part of the design team.

discussing ifs and buts is pointless, yeah if that stuff had of happened it'd be different. but it didnt. DEAL WITH IT.

the dedicated researchers have proved more useful than brawl central anyhow

I'm afraid I don't understand your criticism.

Golden Legacy, on Jan 29 2008, 06:33 PM, said:

I'd like to say something here.
First of all, the Dojo was a privelage - we knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started to regularly check updates. The problem is that we've been conditioned with TWELVE NEWCOMERS in the course of less than a year. 12 Newcomers that we, right now, think of as being "veterans" just because we've known about them so long. I guarantee you, that had we just now discovered about the likes of Ike, of Pokemon Trainer, or of Sonic, our hype for Brawl would explode, and we would be proclaiming the roster as absolutely amazing. I guarantee that most gamers not only haven't checked the Dojo, but when they walk into the store on launch day to pick up that copy of Smash, the roster will absolutely blow their ****ing minds.

Here's my post. How am I pretending to be on the "design" team? I'm keeping an open mind and letting people realize that they're overreacting, and for little reason.

[gsninja]

Skidzorz, on Jan 29 2008, 02:41 PM, said:

Are you kidding?!!!!!
No way do more people know about Jigglypuff than Pikachu. Even NON Pokemon players know abotu Pikachu, but bring up Jigglypuff and they say "who".

EDIT-At GSN.

I know, I was surprised when I heard of it. =P I can't find any link to it, but on the last poll, it did say that Jiggly was #1, Pikachu #2, Mewtwo #3, and Lucario as number twenty-something.

I'm indifferent towards R.O.B and Toon Link, although I obviously think that there are plenty of characters that should be playable instead of them. I'm gonna try them out before judging.

[Blitz Ace]

Mudkip is the #1 favorite pokemon!

Kidding.

I haven't seen anything about Wolf were there pictures or are you guys just taking guesses now? Krystal would be much more unique.

[Drizzy Drake]

I don't see how Lucario would even be in the top thirty. I can think of like, 40 Pokemon more deserving.

[Laharl]

Golden Legacy, on Jan 29 2008, 10:47 PM, said:

I'm afraid I don't understand your criticism.
Here's my post. How am I pretending to be on the "design" team? I'm keeping an open mind and letting people realize that they're overreacting, and for little reason.

you just sounded incredibly patronizing is all -no offence intended-

[Caael]

Onix is the best pokemon and you all know it.

[Golden Legacy]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 29 2008, 06:52 PM, said:

you just sounded incredibly patronizing is all -no offence intended-

Understood, I can see how I came off as that, and I apologize.

[Laharl]

^ no worries ^^

my usual sources tell me WW Link has been confirmed and there are 2 spaces left, one of which is looking pretty certain to be Wolf O'Donnell D:

[Quacnar]

Yell Yell Yell Mewtwo! Lucario! Deserving...anger....top 20....Wolf...ROB...blah blah blah
Really? Are you guys joking? I mean who cares if one character is more deserving than another or if there are clones. Clearly Brawl is going to be fun and ina couple of days the roster will be known for sure, so there is no reason for tension or anger. Come on its just a game.
P.S. Gengar is the best Pokemon

[Drizzy Drake]

Charzard used Fire Blast.

It is super effective.

Gengar was Ko'd.

[Quacnar]

Clearly you are missing the point(but seriously I already used hypnosis on you).

[Drizzy Drake]

Charzard has awaken.

Wait, isn't there an Animal Crossing character? It isn't up on the official site, but didn't somebody mention him a while back.

[Folcon]

As an AT, yes.

And WW Link won't necessarily be a clone of Link. Young Link was not a clone of Link, their moves were still different. Link had longer reach with his sword and hook-shot, but young link had a wall climb and fire arrows. And I think YL's bombs had less range, but did more damage. Chances are, Link and WW Link will have similar differences. They will certainly have different boomerangs.

[Drizzy Drake]

That's what ALL the clones were like. They all had the same basic moveset, with little differences. If they make him a clone, atleast Luigify his moves.

[Linear]

This makes me happy inside. *Sips tea*

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/xblah/ssbm/1201606397742.jpg

._. Lol. Toon Link... (WW Link)

[Nosferatu]

I believe this might be worth a look or two.

It won't let me show the pic, so here.

[gsninja]

I dunno if you guys have seen this yet, so here it is:

http://img201.images...60158483ia7.jpg

Here's a pic of a new stage. For those of you who don't recognize it, it's Spear Pillar from the Diamond/Pearl games. It's the place where you fight Dialga or Palkia and defeat or capture it.

[Nosferatu]

Luigi's Mansion too. I think I'll be playing it a lot.

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/1294/we...smansionqx0.jpg

[Toasty]

I don't see why anyone can say "OMG WW LINK'S A CLONE CAUSE HE HAS A BOW!!," because even though he has a bow, that DOESN'T mean he's a clone. Besides, you can't really have ANY Link without a bow & arrow.

As for Lucario, in the games he was a fighting/psychic type, so it would make no sense at all if he was a clone of Mewtwo.

And where in god's name is anyone getting the idea of ROB being playable? As far as I know, that was only in one of the fake roster leaks.

[gsninja]

Toasty, on Jan 29 2008, 08:31 PM, said:

I don't see why anyone can say "OMG WW LINK'S A CLONE CAUSE HE HAS A BOW!!," because even though he has a bow, that DOESN'T mean he's a clone. Besides, you can't really have ANY Link without a bow & arrow.

As for Lucario, in the games he was a fighting/psychic type, so it would make no sense at all if he was a clone of Mewtwo.

And where in god's name is anyone getting the idea of ROB being playable? As far as I know, that was only in one of the fake roster leaks.

http://ranobe.com/up/src/up254065.jpg

This isn't fake. This is the whole real roster. Only one character is left to be revealed.

Also, WW Link IS a clone of Link. I saw a video and he has all the same moves.

Lucario's A moves are different from Mewtwo's, true. However, Lucario's B and ^B are virtually exact to Mewtwo's. Lucario's </>B and VB are unknown, though.

[Blitz Ace]

Lucario is Fighting/Steel, but he has psychic powers.

I love Luigi's Mansion.

[Quacnar]

Gsninja, why are you so confident in your link?

[Envy]

Yup, Toon Link is a clone, and it also appears that Ganondorf really hasn't been changed.

Video Here.

Really, it's a HUGE shame.

[Blitz Ace]

Well Ganondorf has had some moves changed (Up special is an uppercut for example)

I think that Toon Link's side special was a green beam, so it might have been that leaf that you can swing and release a strong gust and he also uses it to glide in WW. (I forgot the name)?

I kinda saw this coming, and it is a tad disappointing (Especially Ganondorf for me).

The good news is that Luigi and Falco must be the same too, which I don't mind really.

[Nosferatu]

The Brawl update is on the German site right now. It's the starting roster, and from the looks of one pic, you can choose to start as Shiek from the get go.

Edit: You can choose Zelda or Shiek to start with, and with PT you can choose which Pokemon to start as.

[Toasty]

You can't even tell anything about Ganondorf from that video. It appears that all he used were standard attacks. However, WW Link is a clone. That is a shame. But, at least his weapons look different.

[Caael]

This is really dissapointing. Ganondorf should have his sword, ROB was a filler character at most and toon Link should have his own moves. We had too much confidence in Sakurai. He's not ruined the game, but he's made false promises.

[Nosferatu]

There is supposed to be a live stream somewhere on the internet. That's where all these videos are coming from. So if anybody finds it, please post it here.

[Blitz Ace]

Toasty, on Jan 30 2008, 01:13 AM, said:

You can't even tell anything about Ganondorf from that video. It appears that all he used were standard attacks. However, WW Link is a clone. That is a shame. But, at least his weapons look different.

Yeah, look again.

His bair is the same, his dsmash is the same 'front/back' kick, his a move seems to be the same hand/push/punch attack. Probably more, this is just off the top of my head, he did seem to have a new fsmash.

[Laharl]

Ganondorf's final smash transforms him into Ganon for a while (TP version), atleast they got that right.... cant realy complain if he's still like Falcon because that's whst i'm used to using

[Blitz Ace]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 30 2008, 03:47 AM, said:

Ganondorf's final smash transforms him into Ganon for a while (TP version), atleast they got that right.... cant realy complain if he's still like Falcon because that's whst i'm used to using

Same, on the Ganondorf target practice video he still has his dair...I love that move.

I would want a few changes, but for the most part I won't be destroyed if he was still much like Captain Falcon.

[Laharl]

annoying that the target test dosnt reveal any of his specials, except up+B

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0

his standar moves are exactly the same

[Blitz Ace]

Yeah =\

[Drizzy Drake]

So basically Sakurai lied about no clones.

[Laharl]

yes he did, now watch all the fanboy tards flock to his defence.

quite how nintendo has such a loyal fanbase when it treats it so badly is beyond me

[Caael]

He shouldn't have made false promises. Another case of a Nintendo game not living up to the hype it built up ( SMG, Twilight Princess)

[Laharl]

its not going to change though D:Confirmation of Ganondorf's final smash

http://zip.4chan.org/v/src/1201713559336.jpg

Wolf O'Donnell confirmed

http://zip.4chan.org/v/src/1201717490754.jpg
http://zip.4chan.org/v/src/1201716415830.jpg
http://zip.4chan.org/v/src/1201718058146.jpg

1 space left, whose gonna get it?

EDIT: Dammit 4chan

[Nosferatu]

Old news Larharl.

Person 1: "Hey, I think I'll play as Fox."
Person 2: "Nah, I think you should play as Fox."
Person 1: "Nah. Fox and Fox are better then Fox."

Super Smash Bros Brawl: Attack of the Clones.

Luigi's Final Smash inside. Skidz could relate.

[Laharl]

no one has mentioned it here :/

surely we wont end up with fox/falco/wolf having the same move set?

[Nosferatu]

laharl the slayer, on Jan 30 2008, 11:01 AM, said:

no one has mentioned it here :/

surely we wont end up with fox/falco/wolf having the same move set?

I would have last night if the power hadn't gone out. Who the hell knows WHY it did.

There have been gameplay videos of Wolf, and we've seen his Final Smash. The only difference is the landmaster is red. I'll edit in some links to videos in a second.

Edit 1: Brawl release date in Europe supposed to be June 1st.

Edit 2: Wolf gameplay here.

[Laharl]

Luigi's Final Smash is terrible, if my main had it, it'd pitchfork time

Wolf looks to be a fox clone too, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING!!??

[gsninja]

killercoz, on Jan 29 2008, 09:11 PM, said:

Gsninja, why are you so confident in your link?

I've seen all those characters in gameplay videos. =P

Well, I finally saw that Wolf video. His Up + B isn't really the same, but he still has a pistol like Fox and Falco. I personally think that Krystal would have been a much, much better choice than Wolf.

[Blitz Ace]

As do I.

They really half ass'd this game. ^_^

[Nosferatu]

gsninja, on Jan 30 2008, 11:12 AM, said:

Well, I finally saw that Wolf video. His Up + B isn't really the same, but he still has a pistol like Fox and Falco. I personally think that Krystal would have been a much, much better choice than Wolf.

Personally I think Sakurai just got lazy. I'm more pissed about the fact that the Star Fox franchise got 3 clones (I think Wolf might have caught Luigiitis), and Metroid still gets one. I'm not counting ZSS as seperate as you need the Smash to use her.

Anyway, for my characters I'm thinking Samus, Lucario, Sonic, Meta-Knight and Pokemon Trainer.

And this is the most amusing pic I have seen in the last few days.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/5198/36278065ib2.png

[Laharl]

gsninja, on Jan 30 2008, 07:12 PM, said:

Well, I finally saw that Wolf video. His Up + B isn't really the same, but he still has a pistol like Fox and Falco.

its same principal, just appears to be faster instead of having flames

i think having 3 characters with the same moveset is pathetic, considering all the chars they could have put in instead of another clone

[Blitz Ace]

Krystal would have been much better then a 3rd clone...Wolf is cool and all but they butchered him.

Also, aside from ZSS (not new) we didn't get any new females, like Sakurai said he wanted. Bull.

[gsninja]

Despite the roster, I'm still going to enjoy the game a ton. Honestly, the character roster won't really get on people's nerves so much once the game is out.

I still hate Lucario so much. How dare he replace Mewtwo? ;_;

[Drizzy Drake]

THREE ****ING CLONES. WHAT THE ****. He says no clone, and not only does he have 2 sets of clones, on of those sets has THREE clones. This is bull****. Not saying I don't like the roster, just some of the characters ae just useless. Why not make Wolf a costume.

[Nosferatu]

Well, it's not like a triple clone didn't happen before. (Mario, Dr.Mario and Luigi.) People will get over it, but not for a long while.

http://uk.youtube.co...h?v=Yk9xKVsegWE
Lucario FS at about 6 minutes in.

[Laharl]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z254/laharl_the_slayer_07/1201717282840.png

[Drizzy Drake]

Oh ya, I guess it has happened. But still, it's jsut retarded.

[Nosferatu]

Argh, I was hoping there wouldn't be pissed fanboys here. I'll be elsewhere for today thank you.

[Drizzy Drake]

I'm in no way a fanboy. A fanboy, would be gonig "OMG WE GET FOX, FALCO AND WOLF. LIKE OMG. ORGASM".

[Laharl]

Nosferatu, on Jan 30 2008, 07:42 PM, said:

Argh, I was hoping there wouldn't be pissed fanboys here. I'll be elsewhere for today thank you.

and GL and Envy arent even here yet :/

implying i'm a (nintendo) fanboy would be a very bad move on your part

[Drizzy Drake]

So is Ganondorf turning into Ganon like Bowser and Giga Bowser?

[Laharl]

prettty much, you murder things in an oversized near invincible state

[Drizzy Drake]

That sounds cool. I can't wait to Triforce Strike people.

[Moonear]

Worst update evar, no joke. We know how to freaking work the menu screen. This is almost as bad as widescreen support.

[Caael]

I could have sworn wolf is a costume. He has the same run animation and idle animation, his attacks are identical, his speed is the same. wtf they just changed foxes face.

[Mallick]

They had Wolf as a fox costume on the dojo...

[Caael]

He wasnt on the dojo, but I saw a picture of him in the background clapping after a match, then I saw one with fox and they were identical apart from the colours.

[TheEnglishman]

From the stuff I've seen on Brawl, I don't think I'd be disappointed, but it doesn't look like a huge leap on from Melee. Not only that but the stages I've seen are all a bit too similar to each other.

[Caael]

It's not really Melee 2 like people hoped, it's more of a melee expansion pack.

[Drizzy Drake]

It, in my opinion, is it's own game. I mena, yea the stages are a little bland, but there are still alot of things to look forward too. SSE comes to mind. SOME characters might not be all that great, but we still have alot of people we have always wanted to fight with.

[Caael]

But that's all it is. Melee with more characters and stages.

[Drizzy Drake]

Isn't that what EVERY fighting game is like?

There are different events, a better 1-player mode, more collectables(Stickers), more items. There is ALOT more stuff.

[TheEnglishman]

Skidzorz, on Jan 30 2008, 09:51 PM, said:

Isn't that what EVERY fighting game is like?

That's a good point. Tekken 5 felt a lot like the previous installement with a few new characters, and that game was still great.

[Envy]

Me111, on Jan 30 2008, 02:31 PM, said:

From the stuff I've seen on Brawl, I don't think I'd be disappointed, but it doesn't look like a huge leap on from Melee. Not only that but the stages I've seen are all a bit too similar to each other.

The stages are too similar to each other... Yes! I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees that. Some of the stages are nice (like Distant Planet) but those are a rarity.

It really looks to me that this game was rushed outside of the SSE. Even though a story mode is nice, if the roster was going to have this many clones, ignore so many fan requests, etc. I wish he really hadn't focused on it at all.

[Drizzy Drake]

Where can they go with SSB4. I mean, can you name ANOTHER set of 14 NEWCOMERS that should be in a SSB game. It will jsut be ridicules(Sp?).

[Caael]

There wont be a 4. Well it wont be made by Sakurai anyway.

YESSS!!

[Drizzy Drake]

Has he already said that, or is it just your guess?

Oh, and they should have it where you can download different characters online onto your Wii. Maybe not right away, but at certain intervals, make a certain character avlable for download.

[Caael]

He's already said it/

[Eugine]

http://www.youtube.c...I&feature=bz302
Don't know if anyone posted this, and I'm too lazy to look.

Can't wait to get my hands on this game! Brings back some great Melee memories.

[Drizzy Drake]

I don't get how Link can go from two GREAT stages (the two Hyrule temple stages), to this flat peice of crap. Hey, that rhymed.

[Caael]

No it didnt, it was the same words.

[Drizzy Drake]

Flat, crap. Those are definetly not the same words.

[Caael]

I thought you meant 'stages'

But flat and crap dont rhyme anyway.

[Nosferatu]

Good. There are sane people on.

Link's stage is a disapointment, I will give it that. But we have more then enough great stages if you ask me.

[Drizzy Drake]

I have been DEFENDING the stages and characters mostly, so I don't see where you get that from.

[Envy]

Nosferatu, on Jan 30 2008, 05:31 PM, said:

Good. There are sane people on.

Link's stage is a disapointment, I will give it that. But we have more then enough great stages if you ask me.

Not in my opinion.

I'm very happy to see Luigi's Mansion, but that's the only stage I wanted that I got.

[Drizzy Drake]

I really like the new "Hyrule Temple". I think it is New Pork City, but I could be wrong. The large one with that OHKO monster in it.

[Blitz Ace]

From this picture:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh286/KazeSSBB/up254168.jpg

Wolf looks like he might not be that much bigger then Fox...how much bigger is he?

Also anyone have the vid, I haven't seen any Wolf gameplay yet.

[Golden Legacy]

... The roster is starting to affect even me... if in all honesty those 35 characters are the complete roster, then I just don't know what to say. Some very questionable choices indeed.

'Tis quite sad. ^_^
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Arteen/golden_sun/missing_isaac.jpg