[Tasuki]

I wonder how he found that.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Not that special since I swear in EVERY single update with screens which contained blue all the NSider and GameFaqs SSBB boards where full with topics as "OMFG IS DAT SAWNICK!?!!!!111111" with extremely blurry pictures which don't even look like Sonic at all...

Still don't like the idea of having him in Brawl, especially not with those damn cheesy lines and horrible rock music he brings with him. :P Bah. Guess I'm just gonna have to accept it.

[TheEnglishman]

DiddyKong, on Oct 22 2007, 06:40 PM, said:

Not that special since I swear in EVERY single update with screens which contained blue all the NSider and GameFaqs SSBB boards where full with topics as "OMFG IS DAT SAWNICK!?!!!!111111" with extremely blurry pictures which don't even look like Sonic at all...

Still don't like the idea of having him in Brawl, especially not with those damn cheesy lines and horrible rock music he brings with him. :P Bah. Guess I'm just gonna have to accept it.

http://www.fireball2...index.php?id=28
Obviously, being the ridiculous biased Sonic fan I am, I'd disagree. I know the voice acting is pretty poor, but I thought 'Live and Learn' would be good in the game. I think it would work well as background music.
Still that's just my opinion.

[Caael]

The ammount of Tails avatars you have been using recently disturbs me, Me111.

Cool update, now those creative ones can create their own stages. I think.

[TheEnglishman]

Caael, on Oct 22 2007, 08:00 PM, said:

The ammount of Tails avatars you have been using recently disturbs me, Me111.

This is only the second one recently and I preferred it.
If you are able to create your own stages it would be a great addition. Does it mean the DS connects to the Wii in the same way the GBA connected from the Gamecube?

[Caael]

But wirelessly!


And 2 avatars is enough to be worried.

[TheEnglishman]

Caael, on Oct 22 2007, 08:11 PM, said:

But wirelessly!
And 2 avatars is enough to be worried.

As I said, I preferred this one.
I took the assumption it would be wireless, it would be strange if it wasn't.

[Caael]

Super Smash Bros Brawl ( Comes with free cable to connect your DS to the Wii with for ONE stage!)


It has a nice ring to it.

And isn't it time for a new poll?

[Blue]

I don't think they said you got to change the stage yourself. I think they said the images just create themselves.

[gsninja]

This update made me laugh so hard. XD Honestly, I think I'm going to really like the Pictochat stage.

[Caael]

If you wait a bit, terrain gets drawn in with a few stylus strokes!

D: I was hoping that you could draw your own stage

[Blue]

I was sure it was done in game, becuase how would the game know you meant to draw fire or anything like that

[gsninja]

Wow, Diddy sure was skillful with his Peanut Popguns in the video. XD

There are a lot more fans of Isaac than I thought. Seems like there are a lot of people who want him for Brawl.

[Blue]

I really would like to seem him in there. If he's not its no problem though.

[Toasty]

Same here.

And personally, I think that video of DK and Diddy was pretty awesome. Don't quite get what it has to do with the game though, but it's probably something to do with the single player storyline.

[Tasuki]

Anyone think they'll make a Smash Bros DS?

[Folcon]

I dought it. Smash just plays on too high a level for the DS. And the screen would be way too small. But it does seem you can connect your DS and have someone draw with the stylus for that last stage anouncment of pictochat.

[Laharl]

Tasuki, on Oct 24 2007, 12:22 AM, said:

Anyone think they'll make a Smash Bros DS?

they did. it's called Jump Superstars or the infinately superior Jump Ultimate Stars. They're Japan only but well worth checking out.

[Tasuki]

Yeah,I know.I ordered it a few weeks ago.

[Laharl]

that best be Ultimate Stars or you've wasted some monies.

OT: I wish they'd hurry up and reveal Ganondorf instead of showing crappy DK videos >:[

[Envy]

gsninja, on Oct 23 2007, 04:03 PM, said:

Wow, Diddy sure was skillful with his Peanut Popguns in the video. XD

There are a lot more fans of Isaac than I thought. Seems like there are a lot of people who want him for Brawl.

I don't know if that means much, though.

If that that icon theory is true, Isaac's chances are ridiculously low. There are other characters that will fit into that spot, like Captain Olimar of Pikmin which has a huge chance of making it. I'm already pretty much convinced that Isaac isn't going to make it (and I'm not buying a Wii!), so when Captain Olimar is revealed under the 19th icon it won't be a big surprise to me.

[Folcon]

Don't let the lack of Issac in Brawl diswade you from buying the wii. There are still several good games for the Wii. Fire Emblem is one.

[Envy]

escout, on Oct 23 2007, 09:27 PM, said:

Don't let the lack of Issac in Brawl diswade you from buying the wii. There are still several good games for the Wii. Fire Emblem is one.

As I said before I have something else that I want to get with that money as well (or more of saving it.) To be specific it's a saxophone. Which is something I REALLY want. Trust me, most people that know me would think I'm crazy that I'm even CONSIDERING buying a Wii over it.

There maybe plenty of great games on the Wii in the future. I'm planning on getting a job in the summer, so I can buy the Wii then if I really find it that worthy of my money.

Anyways, on the topic of Super Smash Bros. The DK video was actually slightly amusing to me. Really not worthy of a full update, perhaps... but I don't stay up for them anymore, so what does it matter? The PictoChat stage was pretty amusing as well... It would be better if you could draw the stages, though.

[Toasty]

Yeah. I doubt that we'll be able to make our own stages, but it would make a great addition.

And personally, I highly doubt captain olimar will make it. He just doesn't seem to fit the part. Of course, there are other characters that got in who don't seem to fit the part. One of them being Mr. G&W.

[Fehize]

Oi, I haven't been here in years. -sighs and sweats-

Talking about Smash Brothers, I would be really happy if they add Isaac. However, I do realize the chances of that happening are rather slim indeed. I think he has a less of a chance than Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia. -sighs-

But, I guess we will just have to wait and see~!

[My Best Wishes]

Ummm Hi?
It would be funky to send replays. I love all this screenshot ability and recording functions.

[Toasty]

Same here. It would've been awesome to record the time I totally owned my friend with fox's fire attack thingy. Hit him four times without either of us ever touching the ground. ;)

YES I REALIZE THAT THAT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO OTHER STUFF BUT IT MAKES ME FEEL PROUD SO STFU! *ego*

But seriously. It's a great addition. Even if it seems like they're copying Halo 3's match recording feature thingy.

[Nosferatu]

Dude of Wind, on Oct 24 2007, 10:45 PM, said:

But seriously. It's a great addition. Even if it seems like they're copying Halo 3's match recording feature thingy.

All games should have the option to record. It's the next generation.

Not recording is soooo sixth generation.

[Nosferatu]

I SINCERELY apologize for the double post, but holy **** at the update!

Woot!

[My Best Wishes]

Unexpected but good. I loved that guy in the Kirby Dreamland GB games.

[Mallick]

Spoiler

dededededededeNUGGA

Please make your posts in topics like these more constructive!

-gsninja

[Caael]

Fehize, on Oct 25 2007, 06:22 AM, said:

Oi, I haven't been here in years. -sighs and sweats-

Talking about Smash Brothers, I would be really happy if they add Isaac. However, I do realize the chances of that happening are rather slim indeed. I think he has a less of a chance than Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia. -sighs-

But, I guess we will just have to wait and see~!

Holy hell your signature is massive.


And if you check gametrailers, there's an extended version of the DK video where you actually see Diddy and DK play in the Subspace. It's a cross between DKC and Tekken, where you have to eliminate all enemies before you can move on.

Dedede! Yay! Well it's settled, Sakurai is clearly playing by his list. We'll have Ridley net for sure.

[gsninja]

To tell the truth, I didn't really expect King Dedede as playable, but as an AT at most. Looks like I underestimated his popularity. =D Nonetheless, I love King Dedede, he's so cool!

Now, to wait for Isaac to get in BEFORE Ridley.

[Caael]

Pah! No chance. Metroid is already an established series, and also a current Smash Bros series. Golden Sun is very underrated and not part of the Smash series as of now. The only new franchises we have had since the first Brawl trailer is Sonic, and I doubt we will be getting new ones for a while. Ridley for Brawl, baby!

[Folcon]

I'll be interested to see what role the playable villian characters will have in the Subspace army game. Like what ther story is and such. I don't want to have to wait for this game to come out, bt if it imrpoves te quality of the game, so be it.

[Envy]

Fehize, on Oct 25 2007, 12:22 AM, said:

Oi, I haven't been here in years. -sighs and sweats-

Talking about Smash Brothers, I would be really happy if they add Isaac. However, I do realize the chances of that happening are rather slim indeed. I think he has a less of a chance than Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia. -sighs-

But, I guess we will just have to wait and see~!

I don't believe it's that slim. Sakurai had a poll, and there were two votes for Isaac. I'm hoping that Sakurai took an interest in him from that.

Anyways, Isaac needs to be revealed soon, if he's in. (although I doubt it. a lot.)

On another note I'm happy to see King Dedede. He's one of those characters I've wanted in the game for a long time now. (and the first to be confirmed.)

[Caael]

Escout, there's a video on gametrailers of Wario as a villain. There's actually lots of Subspace Emissary videos if you're interested in the single player.

[TheEnglishman]

Caael, on Oct 25 2007, 06:52 PM, said:

Escout, there's a video on gametrailers of Wario as a villain. There's actually lots of Subspace Emissary videos if you're interested in the single player.

I noticed that. He'll probably just end up being a comic relief villain.

[Golden Legacy]

gsninja, on Oct 25 2007, 10:44 AM, said:

To tell the truth, I didn't really expect King Dedede as playable, but as an AT at most. Looks like I underestimated his popularity. =D Nonetheless, I love King Dedede, he's so cool!

I've actually been expecting this - I didn't think Sakurai would give up the chance to include the characters he created (the Kirby franchise).

escout, on Oct 25 2007, 12:26 PM, said:

I'll be interested to see what role the playable villian characters will have in the Subspace army game. Like what ther story is and such. I don't want to have to wait for this game to come out, bt if it imrpoves te quality of the game, so be it.

Quality is one thing, but I'm also impressed with the magnitude of this game. Look at how many new modes and features Brawl is set to have, look at the insane character roster we have already! This game is going to be huge (literally), so much to look forward to and do.

[Caael]

If you were expecting a different story for each character, think again. The story progresses as one big unit, and when you're done on one section with some characters, you'll go on to the next.

[Blue]

Damn it, I hate that fat sack of crap. Why did they make him a character?

[Toasty]

AWESOME. I didn't even think of Dedede at all, but I think he's a great addition. Now there's three dreamland characters. ;)

[Moonear]

Awwww, come on! Did they have to make the stupidest Kirby character playable? They're going a little overboard with Kirby characters.

[Golden Legacy]

We know very well he'll be the last Kirby character, and I don't see what's wrong. We have a new heavy character with what will probably be a unique moveset (since he always has his hammer out).

Besides,

Metaknight: fast
Kirby: medium
King Dedede: slow

We've got all the weight classes covered, plus giving more representation to the Kirby franchise which is one of Nintendo's flagships (not to mention Sakurai himself created the series, or at least the character designs for all three, I can't remember which).

[Fehize]

I was amazed that King Dedede made it, but now that i also think about it, I am also surprised about the characters that they have released. What about those who are suppossed to stay hidden? I am wondering where I am going to get a TV big enough to see clearer. ((-current playing TV = 5" across. Midget. ;)' ))

All that I have heard is that they are going to have three 'out of platform' characters. One being Snake, the other Sonic, and the last one...who knows.

[Nosferatu]

ihatekraden, on Oct 25 2007, 06:17 PM, said:

Awwww, come on! Did they have to make the stupidest Kirby character playable? They're going a little overboard with Kirby characters.

As opposed to Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi and Dr. Mario?

[Blue]

Yeah but Mario Characters are expected to be in there. You can't really say anything about Mario Luigi or Yoshi since they were all in the first game.

[Toasty]

Kirby = Light weight
Metaknight = medium weight
Dedede = Carzy-ass mother trucking heavy son of a biscut

Yup, weight classes covered.

And ihk, no they aren't going overboard. As stated, there's other franchises that have just as many, or more characters in SSBM/SSBB.

[Caael]

And there's still under represtented franchises. Remember metroid? If you can think of a character more suited to Brawl than Ridley from the metroid series( and not dark Samus, seeing as Wolf is just a costume now, it's safe to say Dark Samus will be as well), I will give you a cookie.

[Golden Legacy]

Dude of Wind, on Oct 26 2007, 12:01 AM, said:

Kirby = Light weight
Metaknight = medium weight
Dedede = Carzy-ass mother trucking heavy son of a biscut

Yup, weight classes covered.

And ihk, no they aren't going overboard. As stated, there's other franchises that have just as many, or more characters in SSBM/SSBB.

Exactly. Besides, having new characters never hurts either.
And look at that - 23 characters, new and old, are now up on the Dojo. 23 unique, 23 different characters that have been revealed four months before the game's release - considering Melee had 26 characters, and half of them were clones, this is a huge number. It really makes you wonder just how many will be in the final roster.

[Caael]

Between 40 and 50. Dont have a source, but it was said in an interview.

[Blue]

That is going to make doing one player mode stuff take forever. xD

[TheEnglishman]

Hopefully quality hasn't been replaced with quantity.

[Caael]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3906/ohnoesaz4.png

O SHI-

[Toasty]

Nah, I doubt it. Not after the fuss everyone made about the clones. And they also stated that they spent a LOT more time on the single player mode this time. Then there's the freakishly awesome graphics (STFU MS and Sony Fanboys, they're a heck of a lot better then SSBM's).

The ONLY thing I'm worried about, which is actually something that wouldn't have even taken any time off their hands, is more unique stage designs. The graphics and events are all fine and dandy (and both are done well too), but I just hope that they have some interesting designs or I'm gonna be angry. The stages in SSBM had more differences between them than setting and number of platforms, so why shouldn't SSBB's? As far as I'm concerned, the only differences between the already shown stages is just that. Setting and # of platforms. Save for about two or three of them.

[Envy]

I agree with you Dude of Wind. The majority of the stages shown so far haven't been that interesting. I'm hoping there's better stage designs. :/

[Caael]

See, this is why I thought the pictochat stage would be awesome, so you could design your own, but it appears to be like the Wario ware one where it will just change randomly D:

[My Best Wishes]

Does anyone else think that so many stages, items and characters are diminishing the game at all? Is it making it excel compared to SSB or just trashing it with gimmicks?

[gsninja]

How is adding more stages, items, and characters "trashing it with gimmicks"? It's to be expected to see more stages, items and characters, seeing as SSBM came out in early 2001. After that time, so many popular games came out. Why shouldn't there be more?

Having more stages is always good; it gives the game more variety. As for items, you can always turn them off. Finally, how is having more characters bad? That just confuses me. It's not like the number's doubling.

[Someone Else]

What the hell is a King Dedede?

Isaac had better be in Brawl. ;)

[gsninja]

King Dedede is a badass penguin weilding a giant hammer. In other words, he's an awesome Kirby character. =D

[Someone Else]

I'll be honest. The only Nintendo games I really care about are Zelda and Golden Sun.

How many Kirby games exist anyway? As far as I know he's mostly known from Smash games...

Not that Kirby isn't awesome. I've played none of his games, so there.

[My Best Wishes]

gsninja, on Oct 27 2007, 02:08 PM, said:

Having more stages is always good; it gives the game more variety. As for items, you can always turn them off. Finally, how is having more characters bad? That just confuses me. It's not like the number's doubling.

Just because it's increased too such a vast number now and so many series are invovled. It was better, a much tighter 'knit' in the orginal. I dunno just a stray thought.

[Someone Else]

We'll just have to wait for the game to come out. I think it looks fun.

[Caael]

Well Watch, if you dont like the characters then dont use them. It's not difficult just to not be the characters you dont like.

[Toasty]

WD, If I were you (and this is assumeing you have a GC), then I'd pick up Kirby Air Ride. It's a pretty fun battle/raceing/party game where you drive around on these "stars" and try to beat eachother up/collect powerups for an event/beat everyone else to the finish line. And I'd also pick up Kirby Canvas Curse.

Kirby's had quite a few games, which consist mostly of adventure games where you go around and suck up your enemies to gain their powers. In an N64 game, you could suck up more than one enemy to make special powers that had different effects than just one by itself. For instance, you could suck up a snowman and an electric guy to become a refridgerator which would spit out health recovering food that you hurt your enemies on impact and allow you to recover.

But I'd definately suggest getting Air Ride. It's a pretty fun game. =D

[Golden Legacy]

^ That is a fun game actually. Never owned it myself but I borrowed it from a friend. Not bad at all.

But that said, Kirby has always been an important Nintendo franchise, even if it was never as popular as Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon. Also keep in mind that in Japan, Kirby is a lot more popular than Samus is as a character, since Samus' appeals more to the Western markets whereas Kirby's quirky pinkness goes well in the Japanese market.

[Mallick]

Get ready for a let down in the update tonight!

[Blue]

Stage builder. I didn't even know I wanted this, but it's like a dream come true. xD

[Mallick]

It was cute.

[My Best Wishes]

Damit Blue you beat me.
Yea there's not much that could beat this.

Edit- Gay so did PDM

[Blue]

watch, on Oct 29 2007, 12:04 AM, said:

Damit Blue you beat me.
Yea there's not much that could beat this.

Edit- Gay so did PDM

Lol, sucka! No but seriously this will keep things interesting for a few friends of mine. See if they can make a stage I can't beat them at or something. xD

[Nosferatu]

This kicks ass on so many levels. (Heh heh. Get it? Levels?)

It's the thing you wouldn't expect, and when it comes it's like "WTF WIN". Sorta like George Bush getting assainated.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Hell yeah!

[Golden Legacy]

Oi, easy on the spam fellas.

Nosferatu, on Oct 29 2007, 04:10 AM, said:

This kicks ass on so many levels. (Heh heh. Get it? Levels?)

haha, I chuckled at that. But seriously, this update is phenomenal - a stage builder should keep the game alive and thriving for years to come. Sakurai is really going all out here!

[Folcon]

In my opinion this is the best update to date, except for the wi-fi anouncement. This will be soo damn cool. Now I must get a Wii and Brawl, no matter who I have to kill to get one. *eyes WD*

[Caael]

Yayayay. Now I can make a stage with Ridley eating everybody. And you can upload photo's from an SD card, so you could put a pic with ' YOU PHAIL' at the back if you wish.

[I'm Always BROKE]

That and Bramble Blast music from DKC2! :P Wonderful update. Might be the best in the whole week and I'm actually not expecting less. It's like Sakurai included all the cool things which at first where thought impossible; a story based 1 Player mode, 2 player Subspace Emmisary, Wi-Fi and now the Stage Builder... It's get better every time.

[TheEnglishman]

A stage builder seems like a nice idea, but not the most original. You can create areas in games like Tony Hawk. Even so, it's good to hear.

[Toasty]

Dude, FREAKING AWESOME!

This update alone atones for all of the bad stages that they could ever make. I've never really cared if it looked pretty. All I wanted was a stage that was big and dynamic. This is the PERFECT update for me. I can't imagine anything that they could add to the game that would make me happier.

Other than Isaac. :P

[Blue]

Ah, so they brought Classic mode back? I'm a little surprised. It sounded like Subspace Emissary took up all the one player aspect. I'm glad they stuck to their roots a little.

[Caael]

Well this pretty much confirms Jiggs :P

[Toasty]

Eh?

I agree with blue. Nice to see some of the old stuff returning.

[Caael]

Well jiggs was always unlocked by completing classic mode once.

[My Best Wishes]

Ah Jigglypuff. I was a bit lost by just 'jigg's'

Well it's better then their last stage, that climing one pissed me of greatly. What's with the fish?

[Toasty]

Probably something from Iceclimbers. :P

And yeah, this stage is a lot better.

[Caael]

Finally, a stage that isn't constantly changing. Sure, it moves down a hill and sinks sometimes, but it's not nearly as active as Delphino.

[Toasty]

The AC stage doesn't do any changeing besides scenery. And the battlefield stage is pretty basic and unchangeing as well.

[Ironsight]

In SSBM, I liked that one level (I think it was a Metroid stage now that I think about it) were the platforms were constantly sinking. And every once and a while, the volcano below would erupt and damage everybody if they werent on the top level. It made the fighting chaoticly fun.

[Laharl]

that would be Brinstar.

Big Blue was best for multiplayer. Absolute Chaos xD

[Quacnar]

My favorite stage was poke floats. Saved by snorlax

[Mallick]

watch, on Oct 30 2007, 11:02 PM, said:

Ah Jigglypuff. I was a bit lost by just 'jigg's'

Well it's better then their last stage, that climing one pissed me of greatly. What's with the fish?

It's from Balloon Fighter

[Ironsight]

I always thought that Jigglypuff was useless. But then again, I had no idea what I was doing when I played SSBM.

[Mallick]

Jigglypuff's rest makes for great combos. One sec, let me find phanna's jiggly video...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ASX5iHcu7q0

EDIT: btw jiggly is low tier, she's just ****ing leet still

[Ironsight]

I wish I could wach that video, but my dad's internet sucks. I'll have to wait until next week, when I'm back at my mom's place.

[Laharl]

the game isnt even fun if you play like that, i could get Rest to work 90% of the time but i didnt abuse the multiple jumps.

That said its not hard to counter, the guy he was playing was an utter tard, rest is easy to beat with dodges.

oh and the 'musician' wants lynching

[Mallick]

Phanna could probably beat you with any character. l2p

[Laharl]

he probably could....

then again i'd rather be a fun challenging opponent rather than an impossible elitist prick

online Brawl shall reveal everything

[I'm Always BROKE]

Mallick, on Nov 1 2007, 05:29 AM, said:

Jigglypuff's rest makes for great combos. One sec, let me find phanna's jiggly video...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ASX5iHcu7q0

EDIT: btw jiggly is low tier, she's just ****ing leet still

Jiggz is mid tier and on par with Captain Falcon, the Ice Climbers and Samus so she's NOT a bad character which people keep on assuming cause she looks weak and girly. >_<;

[Caael]

Nice update. Cool that there's a final smash that wont 100% work. Keep in mind that because Japan dont have daylight savings, the updates are an hour early.

[Mallick]

She's the lower part of the middle tier :\

[Laharl]

Earth Dude, on Nov 1 2007, 07:39 AM, said:

Nice update. Cool that there's a final smash that wont 100% work. Keep in mind that because Japan dont have daylight savings, the updates are an hour early.

not really a good thing, basically says dont use Metaknight, a final smash you can just sidestep is a joke, go go balance issues

[I'm Always BROKE]

Mallick, on Nov 1 2007, 09:42 AM, said:

She's the lower part of the middle tier :\

Middle. Under Doc, above Mario. Jigglypuff owns.

[Caael]

How are Doc and Mario any different in the slightest way at all ever?

[Mallick]

Caael: Noob.

Diddy: Doc is middle of middle tier, above him is the upper part of the middle tier, below him is the lower part of the middle tier. I suppose you could say she's upper lower middle tier? :P


I'm not trying to say jiggly is bad, she's ****ing awesome. I'm just saying she doesn't rank very high.

[Caael]

No seriously, how are they different apart from in costumes? There is like no difference at all in their moves.

[Mallick]

http://www.youtube.c...lhwdvf_U14&NR=1 gotta love watching ike in FFAs... his FS is ****ing monster

[Folcon]

Not bad, I just wish there hadn't been that commentator yacking in the background.

[Mallick]

they were pretty hot, but they're annoying as hell.

[Someone Else]

escout, on Oct 29 2007, 11:28 AM, said:

Now I must get a Wii and Brawl, no matter who I have to kill to get one. *eyes WD*

HAHAHAHA-- wait what?

I need to watch this topic more. Stage builder in Brawl? Didn't see that coming, but wow, my interest in SSBB went up 50%!

[Nosferatu]

Ugh. If I didn't have miles of homework, I'd go to sleep.

[Someone Else]

So the update was just character appearances today? Would've been cool to see Link's appearance. He'd probably be my main character in Brawl since I <3 Zelda games so much.

[Mallick]

I'm giong to main.. samus probably :\

[Caael]

Zamus and Wario i'm maining.

[Toasty]

You can only use Zamus after getting Samus's FS. You do know that right?

I'll either main Ike, Pit, Metaknight, or if Kirby doesn't suck like he did in Melee, Kirby.

[Caael]

Yes, but i'm 99% sure there will be a way to start as her from the beginning of a match, like with Zelda and Sheik at the beginning of melee.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Hopefully you can. It would be a waste of a character I think.

[Golden Legacy]

It wasn't possible to start out as ZSS in the demo, for reference. Not that it couldn't change by the time the game releases though.

[Caael]

Of course there's room for changes. It was delayed 2 months just for changes and improvements. Though i'm still thinking they delayed it to make Ridley more awesome.

[Toasty]

Yeah....You go ahead and think that Caael. :P

If they put Isaac in, I might main him instead. It really depends on how they fight.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Cool movie. I love how they use Diddy so much for movies recently. :P

[Folcon]

I liked the FE music way better.

[Caael]

The music sucked. The Diddy video was awesome though. And we got another look into a boss fight. Do you guys see why Ridley would not make a boss? They're only using minor evil guys for bosses. Ridley is major.

[Golden Legacy]

The FE theme was a little underwhelming for me, but I do like the idea of having more orchestrated tracks in the game.

The CG scene is something I really enjoyed, and it brings up something else about Brawl especially, how it really is going to be the coming together of all the major Nintendo franchises (Snake/Sonic too) - we had Starfox, DK, and Pokemon represented in this one scene for example. It's a great mix and should be an interesting storyline.

[My Best Wishes]

I just had a flash of having GSSF Brawl competitions and having four Isaac's on stage :P

[Toasty]

Heh. I doubt that though. Even if GS3 magically appeared on store shelves when brawl came out, I still doubt that would happen, unless it was on purpouse.

[Moonear]

They should totally put Ryu in SSBB, he kicks ass. GO STREET FIGHTER!!!!!

EDIT: Who didn't vote for Stage Builder??!?!??!??

[Ironsight]

^gah, that must have been me. Meant to put stage Builder l:P

[Envy]

If Isaac's in, I'm maining him for sure!

Now Isaac needs to be confirmed. I've been waiting long enough!

*impatient*

I didn't like the FE song too much either. I'm not a big fan of vocal music like that, but the fact that it was orchestrated is a huge plus. I just hope they keep the old FE song from Melee as well. I liked it!

[Golden Legacy]

watch, on Nov 5 2007, 07:51 PM, said:

I just had a flash of having GSSF Brawl competitions and having four Isaac's on stage :P

Haha, that would be hilarious. But seriously, when the game is released, we are definitely going to stage games and tournaments here, I'm so looking forward to that. (I automatically challenge any of you with Pit and Link).

[Caael]

More stuff I already knew from videos D:

[Folcon]

I like the new look for the beam sword. Blue is so much better than pink.

[Blue]

Damn straight it is. xD
Looks like the Fire Flower went back to a more classic mario look. I wish they showed the Bomb-omb, just so I could see some one exploud. :XD

[Toasty]

Yeah. And I never really cared what color the beam sword was. It does look cooler now, but I feel that it's increase in range will make it more of a cheap weapon.

[Ironsight]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 5 2007, 08:54 PM, said:

Haha, that would be hilarious. But seriously, when the game is released, we are definitely going to stage games and tournaments here, I'm so looking forward to that. (I automatically challenge any of you with Pit and Link).

GRAH, I hate not having a Wii!

[Laharl]

GRAY FOX!!!!!!

****ING BADASS!

yet another assisst trophy who should be playable....

[I'm Always BROKE]

No he shouldn't.

[Mallick]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/images/assist11/assist11_071107e-l.jpg

Nice ass! *pukes*

[Laharl]

Fire Dude, on Nov 7 2007, 08:11 AM, said:

No he shouldn't.

So far Gray Fox, Lyn and Samurai Goro could have easily and should be playable, but no they got turned into pokeballs with a different name...

[I'm Always BROKE]

Samurai Goroh I agree with, but Lyn and Gray Fox I strongly disagree with. Metal Gear should already feel honored to get a playable character in Brawl. Giving them a second character thus giving them as much as some first party franchises isn't really what I call fair.

Just look at Kirby, Metroid, Donkey Kong Country and the F Zero franchises... Their main character was their sole representitive untill Brawl (and F Zero probably still will only have Captain Falcon) and then a third party franchise comes in and takes up two character spots while they didn't even got a thropy or anything in other Smash games. :(

Lyn is overrated and only popular in the western countries. Lyn also got the least important role of all the lords in FE7 as she didn't appeared in FE6, and after her prologue she wasn't as involved with the ain story as Hector and Eliwood. That she's even an Assist Thropy is already good fan service, since I doubt we'll be seeing a lot of different Assist Thropies, especially for Fire Emblem.

[Caael]

So basically he's replacing clones as assist trophies. He's pretty lazy.

[I'm Always BROKE]

All the better I say.

[Someone Else]

I almost thought we were talking about the Gray Fox from Oblivion...

That would be funny. "It's the Gray Fox..!! You're under arrest for-- for-- for all kinds of stuff! :( "

[Laharl]

Little Mac should have been played too...

i fail to see the need to limit the amount characters in the game, its next gen for ****s sake

[I'm Always BROKE]

Next gen yeah, my ass. That doesn't say a thing. Development time does, that's why Melee had only 26 characters with a lot of clones. I don't think we'll be getting more than 40 characters, and I actually expect to get less characters than that. 34~36 counting transformation characters (Charizard, Squirle, Ivysaur and Zero Suit Samus, NO SHEIK D:<) is a realistic ammount I think.

We're now at 25 characters counting ZZS and the Pokémon Trainer's Pogeymanz, that's just one less than what we had in Melee. Asume that we get Marth, Captain Falcon, Mewtwo, Luigi, Ganondorf, Mr.Game & Watch, Falco, Jigglypuff and (even though I'd hate to say it...) Sheik back. Then we have 34 characters. I doubt Sonic and Metal Gear will get another playable character, and I'm guessing we'll be gettin 1~2 more characters we never heard of...

And that'll be it.... Probably.

[Mallick]

We already know luigi's announced.

GnW was the WTF character, I don't see his return. Falco isn't going to come back, even though he was far better than Fox. Captain Falcon will be announced again, most likely. Ganondorf isn't coming back unless he's luigized. Mewtwo isn't coming back, and I have no clue about Jigglypufff. Same with sheik.

[Caael]

Diddy, why do you think they delayed the game anyway? To add more characters. And 1-2 more new characters is nothing. He said he was going to have 40-50 new characters in Brawl. There's just so many more characters that would fit in the, to have little characters as 36. It would be the worst move ever if Sakurai didn't live up to the hype.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Mallick, on Nov 7 2007, 07:30 PM, said:

We already know luigi's announced.

GnW was the WTF character, I don't see his return. Falco isn't going to come back, even though he was far better than Fox. Captain Falcon will be announced again, most likely. Ganondorf isn't coming back unless he's luigized. Mewtwo isn't coming back, and I have no clue about Jigglypufff. Same with sheik.

The Ice Climbers have returned, so I doubt they'll cut Mr.Game & Watch. That's probably means that every character with an original moveset will return that includes Mewtwo who deffinatly SHOULD return cause he's awesome but waaay underpowered in Melee.

Ganondorf will return. No doubt. Same for Jigglypuff. Falco I don't know it could go both ways I guess, same for Sheik who unlike Mewtwo should deffinatly NOT return. :(

[Laharl]

Ganondorf was confirmed a while ago

Eiji Aonuma, on Aug 2 2007, 05:51 PM, said:

Also, in a recent interview with Eiji Aonuma, GameInformer asked about whose character models had been sent to HAL Labs for use in SSBB. Aonuma stated Ganondorf among them, saying that drastic changes were made to his design.

http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200....1741.54921.htm

Methinks he will have be his TP incarnation, complete with the Sage's Sword. Final Smash lets him transform into Ganon for a while

Ike has replaced Marth and Roy

Ganon is being completely reworked, all the other clones are being dropped to my knowledge

no sure about Jiggly, they would have announced it by now...

[I'm Always BROKE]

Yeah but is he officially? The interview with the creator of Animal Crossing who stated that a generic Animal Crossing human character will be playable in Brawl was proven to be false as well. I've no doubt that Ganondorf will return, but the interview mentoined also Sheik while they didn't said a word about Zelda so I'm still questioning it's reliability.

And no, Ike isn't replacing both Marth and Roy. He most likely only replaces Roy. Ike is slow, and then I mean REAL slow! Slower than Bowser some people say, but also stronger. Which doesn't really suit him I think but whatever. =/ And his moves are nothing like Marth's, so most likely Marth will return, but nerfed to hell like Fox. :(

Jigglypuff will most likely not get a profile on the Dojo cause it's became a tradition to have Jigglypuff being the first character you unlock in Smash Bros. by completing the Classic mode. Jiggs must stay.

[Blue]

I'm letting you guys know right now. It's highly unlikely that they are adding new characters to Smash Bros. right now. Thats just really not enough time to add more programing, character models and ect. All those things take time and work. Maybe if it was one extra character then maaaybe, but highly unlikely.

[Mallick]

While I am neutral on this, it's certaily possible they're adding characters. Not completely new that they hadn't been working on, but perhaps they had plans and worked on characters and wouldn't have them all complete for the deadline? It's possible.

[Blue]

Ok thats much more believable. If they already had the basis for them lined up and everything and just need to add finishing touches. But as for making them from scratch, forget about it.

[Golden Legacy]

Fire Dude, on Nov 7 2007, 06:33 PM, said:

And no, Ike isn't replacing both Marth and Roy. He most likely only replaces Roy. Ike is slow, and then I mean REAL slow! Slower than Bowser some people say, but also stronger. Which doesn't really suit him I think but whatever. =/ And his moves are nothing like Marth's, so most likely Marth will return, but nerfed to hell like Fox. :(

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of Marth returning? Don't get me wrong, he was my best character to use in Melee - but even if Ike is as slow as Roy (perhaps slower and heavier even), and Marth is a speed demon, having two blue haired human characters that attack with swords... it just wouldn't feel diverse. I would rather another character came to replace Marth (Sothe?), or even bring back Roy and have him be the faster one.

Blue, on Nov 7 2007, 07:28 PM, said:

I'm letting you guys know right now. It's highly unlikely that they are adding new characters to Smash Bros. right now. Thats just really not enough time to add more programing, character models and ect. All those things take time and work. Maybe if it was one extra character then maaaybe, but highly unlikely.

Mallick, on Nov 7 2007, 07:47 PM, said:

While I am neutral on this, it's certaily possible they're adding characters. Not completely new that they hadn't been working on, but perhaps they had plans and worked on characters and wouldn't have them all complete for the deadline? It's possible.

I personally believe that the characters were decided on a long time ago. It would be too difficult to add characters now, not because of time restraints but they would have to test that character against all the other ones confirmed for the game and make sure they are all balanced.

[Folcon]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 8 2007, 12:06 AM, said:

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of Marth returning? Don't get me wrong, he was my best character to use in Melee - but even if Ike is as slow as Roy (perhaps slower and heavier even), and Marth is a speed demon, having two blue haired human characters that attack with swords... it just wouldn't feel diverse. I would rather another character came to replace Marth (Sothe?), or even bring back Roy and have him be the faster one.

Why Roy? If Lyn is an AT, maybe Eliwood will show up as playable.

[Eugine]

I doubt they'll replace Roy or Marth for any other Fire Emblem character. Just an intuition...

[Folcon]

We'll know once the game comes out. I'm considering not going to the site anymore and wait till the game comes out to see what else there is. I do still want some surprises after all.

[Eugine]

I don't visit the site myself. I only knew Sonic was confirmed because it was breaking news on about every gaming website/forum.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Roy doesn't hold any importance to the Fire Emblem universe, seeing as he was only promotion material for Fire Emblem 6 which was released 4 months after Melee's release in Japan.

Marth has a staring role in 2 FE games one being the very first FE, which is as much as Ike and he got pretty much begged into Melee by the Japanese fans so I doubt they'll remove him. Also, Marth's the main character of FE11 on the DS which will probably get international release.

And having 2 blue swordsmen isn't as bad as you make it sound GL. Ike has dark blue hair, and Marth's hair in Melee is more greenish so there's still difference between them.

[My Best Wishes]

"There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now,"

Does that mean Ness is not in Brawl? I'll be cut if he isn't.

[Toasty]

I agree with blue. I doubt they're adding more characters, unless they wre already in progress and just needed to be finished. The closest thing to that that they'd be doing is adding assist trophies. No, I think that they're adding features. Like the stage builder, for example, though I'm pretty sure that was already finished before the announcing of the extra development time. They might even be adding more to the adventure mode, or possibly more items. They could probably fit a new stage or two in somewhere aswell.

Basically, they might have time enough for one character, but he/she'd be half-assed and what's his face already said that he didn't want any of that. The only way we'll get more characters is if they were already in development.

And as for the characters, there's 23 confirmed, and probably about 6-7+ characters returing from melee tht haven't been annnounced. That's 29-30+ characters, and they're definately not going to just leave it at that. We'll have nearly 50 characters when this comes out. I can pretty much guarantee that.

[Caael]

Blue, on Nov 8 2007, 12:28 AM, said:

I'm letting you guys know right now. It's highly unlikely that they are adding new characters to Smash Bros. right now. Thats just really not enough time to add more programing, character models and ect. All those things take time and work. Maybe if it was one extra character then maaaybe, but highly unlikely.

They would have finished that ages ago. It's too far into development now to start adding new characters. He hasn't revealed all the characters of course, why would he do that?

[Mallick]

Fire Dude, on Nov 7 2007, 11:03 PM, said:

Roy doesn't hold any importance to the Fire Emblem universe, seeing as he was only promotion material for Fire Emblem 6 which was released 4 months after Melee's release in Japan.

Marth has a staring role in 2 FE games one being the very first FE, which is as much as Ike and he got pretty much begged into Melee by the Japanese fans so I doubt they'll remove him. Also, Marth's the main character of FE11 on the DS which will probably get international release.

And having 2 blue swordsmen isn't as bad as you make it sound GL. Ike has dark blue hair, and Marth's hair in Melee is more greenish so there's still difference between them.

It's not FE11. There's no new story-line.

What does color have to do with anything, too? Roy isn't coming back, though, that's for sure. He was low tier anyway. That's why Ike is so ****ty.

[I'm Always BROKE]

"He was low tier anyway" >_>;

Does that mean that awesome characters as Mewtwo shouldn't return cause they aren't as good in tournament play as others? Surely not, otherwise we wouldn't have seen Bowser in Brawl, and Melee surely wouldn't have had DK, Link, Samus, Luigi and Jigglypuff return...

How "good" a character is shouldn't affect their chances of returning. Yes Roy sucks, but if he had more importance than Marth, he'd be the one who was returning not Marth.

Hopefully they fix Ike in the final version. They can't pull a Mewtwo off me again. >_<

[Caael]

I swear, if they do a Mewtwo on Ridley, i'm going to...cry?

[Toasty]

Ike shouldn't be slow and heavy. He should be average weight and slightly faster than average in my opinion. He just doesn't look like the kind of person who would weigh a lot.

[Mallick]

Muscle weighs more than fat, and you can't deny Ike's strength.

[Caael]

Yay, Norfair. And Ridley got another mention. : D

[Nosferatu]

Earth Dude, on Nov 8 2007, 11:57 PM, said:

Yay, Norfair. And Ridley got another mention. : D

I so ****ing called it. You owe me $5, PDM.

[Mallick]

We never bet on anything.

[Nosferatu]

Mallick, on Nov 9 2007, 03:41 AM, said:

We never bet on anything.

I know, I just want a free $5.

[TheEnglishman]

Earth Dude, on Nov 9 2007, 07:57 AM, said:

Yay, Norfair. And Ridley got another mention. : D

I knew that slight mention of Ridley would add fuel to your fire. :(

[Laharl]

Norfair just looks like Brinstar, with slight tweaks. Good thing Brinstar was a good stage in th first place. Nintendo already revealed Nofair at one of their events so this update is utterly pointless

[Caael]

Yes, well not everybody watched the e for all videos. Still, it's a nice addition with moving platforms. And the little base is an ingenious idea.

[Ironsight]

I thought Brinstar was a fun stage, so i'm glad to see it has a succesor in Brawl.

[Someone Else]

@ The new character discussion. You guys don't take into account that perhaps Nintendo has made loads of characters, they just haven't announced them yet.

[Toasty]

I took that into account. It doesn't make any sense at all to release all the information for the characters. That would ruin the game.

[Golden Legacy]

Any bets on what tomorrow's update will be?

[Nosferatu]

Golden Legacy, on Nov 11 2007, 08:19 PM, said:

Any bets on what tomorrow's update will be?

Something we've already seen.

Oh! An extensive video on the Nintendogs AT!

[Folcon]

I'm hoping for a new stage announcement. There hasn't been one in a while.

[Nosferatu]

WE WANT A ****ING NEW CHARACTER!

Oy. What's with the updates about things we already know?

[Caael]

I'm getting sick of these updates, i'm just gonna stop checking the updates because frankly, they're boring me.

[Toasty]

Meh. I'm disapointed with this one. I expected Ike's FS to be something other than a suped-up version of his special attack. But, it does looke pretty cool, and powerful too.

[Moonear]

The last week of updates has just been boring, except maybe the Gray Fox thing, but I would really like a new character.

[Mallick]

Dude of Wind, on Nov 11 2007, 11:46 PM, said:

Meh. I'm disapointed with this one. I expected Ike's FS to be something other than a suped-up version of his special attack. But, it does looke pretty cool, and powerful too.

err, samus' final smash? pokemon trainer's final smash? giga bowser?

[Golden Legacy]

Anyone keeping up with IGN's Smash It Up! series? Every week, they highlight five characters that could possibly make it into Brawl. It's a pretty interesting read, this week was about the Square-Enix characters.

Here's the link for this week (after reading it, when you scroll to the bottom you should see all the other Smash It Up! articles).

[I'm Always BROKE]

Where's the rest? I'm interested.

[Caael]

It has Cloud in. I lost all respect in the articles at that point.

[Quacnar]

Im sure this probably has been brought up, but I dont want to read 120 pages. Who does everyone think is the strongest character from melee and who is everyone's favorite character from melee?

[Golden Legacy]

For me, my favorite character to use in Melee is Marth, simply because he's fast and works well in aerial fights, which is what I "specialize" in. That said, I love using Sheik, though I'm not too good with her, simply because her moves just flow and I always find it amazing how she can string together these amazing combos.

That said, fantastic update today! Sakurai can always surprise is, and having multiple taunts for each character as well as a quote should make the game feel that much more personal and it should make it that much sweeter to finish off your opponents.

[TheEnglishman]

Taunts are an interesting addition, though adding messages seems a strange idea to me. Surely people wouldn't have time to write a message out?

[Caael]

As explained in the online update, you choose your taunts before the match. They're set in the player profile I think.

[TheEnglishman]

Oh I see. Thought it would be difficult. Who ever decided to use 'SNAAAAAAAAAAKE!' is clearly a genius.

[Caael]

Anybody who doesn't have 'pwned' as one of them is clearly crap.

[Moonear]

I wonder when they're gonna reveal Isaac?

[Mallick]

The day they reveal Ridley and make the PSP a pokeball.

[Toasty]

Isaac hasn't been confirmed. They may reveal Isaac, they may decide not to reveal him at all, leaving you guessing until you unlock him. But, he probably isn't even in the game. But who knows.

Falco and Fox were top tier in Melee, according to the so called "officials", though I could care less about that. Like I've said before, I started with kirby, switched to Roy, and now I use Fox. My thumbs just couldn't keep up anymore, so I went with a faster character. And Fox/Falco are far from Top tier if you don't know how to "shine" people with them. I think Fox is the strongest mainly because that's who I'm best with. But, I also used to suck with him. I was good with Roy (and sometimes I still prefer him) before I was good with Fox and so on. So, I guess I can't really say whose strongest. But, I do think Marth is better than Roy, even though I prefer Roy.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Dude of Wind, on Nov 14 2007, 05:25 AM, said:

And Fox/Falco are far from Top tier if you don't know how to "shine" people with them.

That's like saying Marth isn't High Tier if you don't use his sword... Just saying there.

Fox according to the NTSC Tier Lists is the best character in the game and this is why. Although I personally think Falco is the best with Sheik being second but that's me.

My favorite character in Melee is Donkey Kong. I just love the grab combo's! <3 He's also a LOT faster than he looks, and even though he's Low Tier he's got much potentail as shown by lots of pro players.

The worst character in Melee was Mewtwo, dispite being uber awesome and fun to play with. Hopefully he'll get buffed up a lot in Brawl -that's if he's returning which he should!

[Blue]

Lol, that shine blind is bull ****. I hope they don't bring back wave dashing cuz that was just cheep. My best and favorite character to use is Yoshi. If you get good with him people just don't know how to deal with his odd move set.

[Toasty]

Fire Dude, on Nov 14 2007, 11:00 AM, said:

That's like saying Marth isn't High Tier if you don't use his sword... Just saying there.

Well it's a lot easier to swing Marth's sword than it is to shine someone off stage. I, personally, can't shine someone unless they're still on the stage. And that's pretty pointless.