[Mallick]

Most people who play guitar (or rather, play an instrument well) find it harder to play rhythm games (well, drums -> drums translates pretty well). I don't know why, it's just kind of an unwritten fact sorta thing.

[Split Infinity]

Probably because musicians rely more on muscle memory whereas rhythm games are based on reflexes and spatial awareness.

[Gio]

The thing about musicians is that they have their own style and like toasty said earlier drummers have a hard time playing it because we are always improvising, we put the rhythm that we thinks best fits into the song, and a lot of the time find it hard to play exactly what other drummers play to be hard. Maybe because of the style, and another reason guitar hero is hard is because you don't read music from top to bottom. That bothers me to.


Now about button smashing in brawl. I haven't been beaten by a button smasher yet.

[Toasty]

My sister beat me with button mashing once. But button mashing wouldn't work on a real "pro". Truthfully speaking, you would have to be a skilled SSB player to beat anyone in "the top ten".

[Legolastom]

Laharl, on Nov 26 2008, 12:08 PM, said:

i had no idea you were such a massive Nintendo faggot Legolastom

I was during the Gamecube and N64 days, but damn I didnt know what I was missing.

[Toasty]

bump

Played SSBM for the first time in ages a few weeks ago. One of my friends who I used to handily beat almost every time, basically tied me.

I've gotten rusty. :\

[Zeypher]

I don't know why you guys give Brawl so much bad cred. Yeah it's cool to hate on Nintendo, the online is complete shit, but man Brawl is so much better than Melee in my opinion. Just the sheer amount of challenges gives so much replay-ability to the title. Granted I didn't get into Melee after Brawl (I got the N64 version day one back in the day), but Brawl just seems so much better to me, as it should be since it's a sequel.

[ThankMeLater]

Naw, melee >> brawl anyday. Not that I really hate on brawl, but melee just feels more solid. Brawl is too floaty, if that makes sense. Melee's a tight fighter. That's why the pros still play it for money instead of making the full move to brawl. I'll play some brawl with people some time if they want. Need to get some use out of my wii.Naw, melee >> brawl anyday. Not that I really hate on brawl, but melee just feels more solid. Brawl is too floaty, if that makes sense. Melee's a tight fighter. That's why the pros still play it for money instead of making the full move to brawl. I'll play some brawl with people some time if they want. Need to get some use out of my wii.

[Aquamarine]

Melee is my favourite game of all time. I've played it actively for about 3 years straight, and then semi-actively for another 2 years.

However, if I'm going to be completely realistic about it, Brawl IS a better game. However, Melee offered so much more compared to the first Smash than Brawl did compared to Melee, and Melee simply has a special place in my heart, because that was the time when I was really into gaming.

[Legolastom]

Melee > Brawl imo. Brawl is a "better game" so to speak, but Melee's combat is a lot lot lot more enjoyable, and I have been playing it almost non-stop for 9 or 8 years. Still playing it now, right now actually lololol.

[Laharl]

Brawl was an embarrassment =/

[ThankMeLater]

lol @ watch thinking gh is harder to master than smash bros.

[Zeypher]

I wouldn't say it's an embarrassment considering the critical acclaim and high sales.

I guess it's just because I got into Brawl first. To me Melee feels sluggish. I was just playing the first game and man it's aged terribly.

[Toasty]

That's because you never played it in it's prime. :\

Man, when I first got Melee, I played it for 8 hours a day straight, every single day for two weeks.

Call me obsessed, but I got hella good at it.

ThankMeLater, on Aug 29 2010, 07:35 AM, said:

Naw, melee >> brawl anyday. Not that I really hate on brawl, but melee just feels more solid. Brawl is too floaty, if that makes sense. Melee's a tight fighter. That's why the pros still play it for money instead of making the full move to brawl. I'll play some brawl with people some time if they want. Need to get some use out of my wii.

This.

For some reason, the engine in Brawl makes the controls feel loose and sloppy. Though when something connects, it feels like it more so than in melee. I'll give it that at the least.

Melee just feels more sharp to me.

Doesn't mean I hate Brawl, I just think the controls in Melee are better.

[ThankMeLater]

I think that's the general consensus

[gsninja]

Melee is infinitely better competitively. Brawl is much better when playing with friends for fun. Not saying Melee isn't, but Brawl is just...better when dicking around with friends.

Melee's pace and physics are still a lot better, though.

[Golden Legacy]

Melee has tighter controls and a smoother flow for me. Brawl feels more random in its play - luck is a huge factor - and definitely a slower pace to the fighting. Which isn't to say it's a bad game - far from it. The content it has far outclasses Melee of course, and the roster is great (to this day I still can't help but be amazed at the inclusion of Sonic and Snake). Melee just has more refined play for my taste.

Also, it's likely a matter of nostalgia... Melee goes back to the early years of the GameCube for me, and so that's the style I got used to. I'd imagine if you played Brawl first, as said, that is what would feel natural.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Melee was better yeah. Still wonder why the hell they took Mewtwo out.

[Caael]

Termina Bay was the greatest stage in smash bros history.

[Aquamarine]

Caael, on Sep 1 2010, 01:42 PM, said:

Termina Bay was the greatest stage in smash bros history.

No way, the best one was definitely Hyrule Temple. Thank goodnes it was included in Brawl.

Golden Legacy, on Sep 1 2010, 07:30 AM, said:

Melee has tighter controls and a smoother flow for me. Brawl feels more random in its play - luck is a huge factor - and definitely a slower pace to the fighting. Which isn't to say it's a bad game - far from it. The content it has far outclasses Melee of course, and the roster is great (to this day I still can't help but be amazed at the inclusion of Sonic and Snake). Melee just has more refined play for my taste.

Also, it's likely a matter of nostalgia... Melee goes back to the early years of the GameCube for me, and so that's the style I got used to. I'd imagine if you played Brawl first, as said, that is what would feel natural.

How is luck any more important in Brawl than it was in Melee? Please explain.

I must admit that I find the battles in Brawl to be quite a lot more enjoyable than the ones in Melee were. Honestly, I liked tha change in pace, and the slightly slower fights of Brawl.

[Caael]

Gee, I dunno..

-How about how most of the levels are moving ones or ones with moving parts that can work against you (lost fucking count of how many times I've been recovering under eldin bridge and it fucking teleports back)? There are very few totally stationary ones with no random events happening.

-The stupid amount of items on the emphasis on thus items. Items are unbalanced, I dont care what people say about "they take skill to get to first". They spawn completely randomly and some of them have random game changing effects.

-Final Smashes. The epitome of luck and the biggest game breaker IMO. Completely disregard skill and balancability in favour of looking pretty and adding novelty. Even if you do get one, you might be a character with a shit one (DK's poxy little drums compared to Marth's garuanteed 1HKO)

[Moonear]

I avoid those levels completely, as does every legitimate competition. Same thing for items and smash balls, I can't remember the last time I turned them on, and I'm fairly sure no tournaments allow items.

[Laharl]

nothing like ******ry to 'improve' a gaming experience

[gsninja]

Even competitively, when all items, Final Smashes, and luck-based stages are taken out, Brawl is still depends on luck a bit more just because of that stupid fucking thing called tripping.

I would still be playing Brawl consistently if its competitive scene was good. Instead, we have tripping and physics+pace that are so freakin' slow that even with three stocks, matches take longer than they did in SSB64 and Melee, and camping/defensive play is rewarded far more than aggression. Ever see matches with DMG's Wario? Exactly, competitive Brawl blows.

[Caael]

I dont give a fuck about competetivity and all the tourneyfag bullshit, I turn stuff off that makes it not fun. Final smashes= not fun. Stupid items that change the outcome of a game= not fun. Moving stages can be fun but not stupid ones with insta-kill things like the fucking thing on the Earthbound stage.

[Zeypher]

I love Final Smashes. New Pork City is retarded though. Fuck Earthbound.

[Aquamarine]

Zeypher, on Sep 1 2010, 07:59 PM, said:

I love Final Smashes. New Pork City is retarded though. Fuck Earthbound.

Fuck you, Earthbound is an awesome series. Well, at least Mother 3 is.

gsninja, on Sep 1 2010, 06:48 PM, said:

Even competitively, when all items, Final Smashes, and luck-based stages are taken out, Brawl is still depends on luck a bit more just because of that stupid fucking thing called tripping.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Yeah, that is pretty annoying.

Still, I play Brawl with items and Smash Balls on, and most of my favourite stages are moving ones. I agree with Caael, competitive play makes a game boring. And I find all the items and stages to be very fun, and I play games not so that some nerds would idolize me but because I want to have fun.

[Eugine]

Sooo... Anyone wanna play Brawl? I have yet to play the game online.

[ThankMeLater]

yeah, you guys (caael) are tripping. sure if im actually feeling really competitive ill turn final smashes and such items off, but if im just playing to have fun with a friend(s), its funny when the smash ball comes and everyone stops what they're doing in a frenzied panic to get it.

and please, get off majora's mask's dick. we know you like the game, we know you think it's better than ocarina, but don't try and say termina bay is the best smash level. since you're all on about luck/fair levels, what about the almost insta kill that is being hit under the upper platform, or the fish that pops in and out of the water.

*500*

[Caael]

I am gonna contradict myself here and say that the moving melee stages were usually the more fun ones- Big Blue was such a fun level to play. Rainbow Ride was also fuckin' hilarious. But Brawl takes them to the level where its more a chore to follow and stay on the level rather than it add to the experience (Ice Climbers stage :| )

And dont get me wrong, items can be fun but most of them I turn off just because of how utterly shit they are (Fuck OFF paper fan). Putting only bumpers on high is always fun however.

[ThankMeLater]

Caael, on Sep 1 2010, 08:01 PM, said:

I am gonna contradict myself here and say that the moving melee stages were usually the more fun ones- Big Blue was such a fun level to play. Rainbow Ride was also fuckin' hilarious. But Brawl takes them to the level where its more a chore to follow and stay on the level rather than it add to the experience (Ice Climbers stage :| )

And dont get me wrong, items can be fun but most of them I turn off just because of how utterly shit they are (Fuck OFF paper fan). Putting only bumpers on high is always fun however.

k, as long as you can concede that hyrule temple >>> termina bay, i'll look over the fact that you contradicted yourself.

and they should re-release mellee on wii with online play.. just a thought.

[Caael]

Hyrule temple does have the edge over Termina bay.

And put brawl characters in melee and I will be happy. And Ridley (here we fuckin' go..)

[Zeypher]

ThankMeLater, on Sep 1 2010, 08:08 PM, said:

and they should release a new Smash Bros. with working online for the 3DS

Fixed.

[Caael]

Closest you'll get is a reboot of '64 on 3DS.

[Zeypher]

I think Smash Bros. is one of the few N64 games they won't remake in 3D on it. The only ones we know are getting remade don't have any other remakes to speak of: Starfox 64, Ocarina of Time, and Paper Mario. Plus, a fighting game on a 2D plane like Smash Bros. would be rad in 3D. Street Fighter IV 3D looks awesome.

[Toasty]

Caael, on Sep 1 2010, 07:01 PM, said:

I am gonna contradict myself here and say that the moving melee stages were usually the more fun ones- Big Blue was such a fun level to play. Rainbow Ride was also fuckin' hilarious. But Brawl takes them to the level where its more a chore to follow and stay on the level rather than it add to the experience (Ice Climbers stage :| )

This.

I loved Big Blue. One of my favorite stages.

What I hate though, is how almost all of the Brawl stages are exactly the same with a few gimmicks substituted here and there (I'm looking at you, Isle Delfino stage).

[I'm Always BROKE]

Final Smashes are fun. But horribly imbalanced. With some, you can easily take 2 lives like the Landmasters or Sonic. Others like DK's or Kirby's aren't even guranteed to kill at mid/ mid high precentages.

But items suck in general. Always found it strange how incredibly strong some items were when thrown. The bat for example. Also, a Pokeball does almost like 15% damage when thrown. Speaking of Pokeballs, they are lame in this game. The coolest are still Lugia and Ho-Oh and we've seen those before. Snorlax is still pure rape though.

And they should've put all Melee's stages in.

[gsninja]

Caael, on Sep 1 2010, 10:43 AM, said:

I dont give a fuck about competetivity and all the tourneyfag bullshit, I turn stuff off that makes it not fun. Final smashes= not fun. Stupid items that change the outcome of a game= not fun.

But I do care. Also, items in general can change the outcome of a fight, not just the ridiculous ones.

I loooooove Final Smashes, though. Ike's made me giddy when I first saw it.

[I'm Always BROKE]

Items suck in general. Even when playing with my little brother and sister, I turn them of. Only put Final Smashes on so that my sister has about an equal chance against my brother. Then again, I could also make her pick Meta Knight. >_> That character is almost a Final Smash himself.

Gotta love how damn broken Diddy is though. That alone makes up for a lot in Brawl to me.

Did you guys saw hack projects like Balanced Brawl, Brawl+ or Brawl-? It's some good shit, I tell you! They even can create character models and movesets.

[ThankMeLater]

Caael, on Sep 1 2010, 08:11 PM, said:

And put brawl characters in melee and I will be happy. And Ridley (here we fuckin' go..)

Not possible.. too big.

Zeypher, on Sep 1 2010, 08:12 PM, said:

Fixed.

not powerful enough. the ds is basically n64 redux, as were the the gba/gb with the snes/nes respectively.

[Zeypher]

ThankMeLater, on Sep 3 2010, 06:48 PM, said:

not powerful enough. the ds is basically n64 redux, as were the the gba/gb with the snes/nes respectively.

No no, the 3DS.

[ThankMeLater]

i was under the impression the 3ds was merely an upgraded system (like the gba to the sp), and not more powerful. i havent really delved too deep into the subject, so i could be way off base.

[Zeypher]

No it's much more powerful. Better than the PSP.

http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3DS_ZeldaOT_02ss05_E3.png
(OoT 3D)

http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3DS_PaperMario_03ss03_E3.png
(Paper Mario 3DS)

http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3DS_ACrossing_06ss06_E3.png
(Animal Crossing 3DS, which looks better than the GameCube and Wii games)

http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3DS_Starfox64_03ss03_E3.png
(StarFox 643D)

http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3DS_KidIcarus_01ss01_E3.png
(Kid Icarus: Uprising)

http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/pic09dcv.jpg
(Metal Gear Solid 3D)

And then there's this technical mumbo-jumbo:
http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3DS-Specs.png

[Legolastom]

ThankMeLater, on Sep 4 2010, 01:48 AM, said:

Not possible.. too big.

Shut your mouth, shut your god-damn dirty mouth right now.

[ThankMeLater]

Zeypher, on Sep 3 2010, 07:14 PM, said:

No it's much more powerful. Better than the PSP.

Touche.

and http://forums.kc-mm.com/Smileys/default/Awesome_Face.png @ ^

[Toasty]

Zeypher, on Sep 3 2010, 06:14 PM, said:

And then there's this technical mumbo-jumbo:
http://roboawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/3DS-Specs.png

You sure that it runs at 400MHz? DMP claims 200MHz is standard (and coincidentally specifies half of the above claimed performance). Not saying it doesn't, but everything I've read suggests that it has half the performance you're image claims (as it's running at half the clock speed).

As for the claimed "effective" resolution of 800x240 on the top screen, I'd argue that as false. The assumption was based on the 3D technology providing a different image for each eye. The 3DS, in contrast, uses head tracking to simulate 3D, so there isn't actually a separate image for each eye.

The effective resolution is therefor 400x240 top, 320x240 bottom, effectively 172,000 pixels. The PSP in contrast has 130,560 pixels to work with. Though since they're all on one screen, that would make the PSP better for movies and videos.


On a side note, The DS used two processors. An ARM946E-S (67MHz) was the main CPU, and an ARM7TDMI (33MHz) chip was used as a co-processor (for sound, Wi-Fi, and GBA mode). The DS had 4MB of RAM, expandable through the GBA slot (though only the opera browser cart took advantage of that). Nintendo also artificially limited the number of polygons it could render per-frame, meaning that no software developer has actually fully utilized the DS's hardware. Though I'm assuming this was to keep a consistent minimum framerate throughout all titles.

Though I still consider it a dick move.

Also, the DS's CPU isn't Nintendo proprietary. The ARM946E-S is used in other electronics, as is the ARM7TMDI.


The PSP used a pair of MIPS R4000 based processors (also a member of the RISC architecture, like the DS's CPU and almost all mobile electronics). Both chips ran at 222MHz on the core, though the vector graphics unit on the main processor ran at 111MHz. Again, one chip was used as the workhorse, the other for sound. Though this second chip also handled MPEG-4 video decoding. A nice touch if I must say so myself. Makes it great for watching movies. The PSP had 32 MB of DDR RAM at 333MHz. 64MB on the PSP-2000 and later models.

I'm pretty sure the CPU in the PSP is proprietary, as it's a modified MIPS R4000. The original R4000 is from the early 90's.

Couldn't find actual performance specs for the DS, but the PSP info on the image matches up. Though for the DS, I'd reason that 120,000 polygons a second is correct. That assumes that DS games are running at 60FPS though, but that's not unreasonable either.





tl;dr

I've seen the performance of the 3DS rated at half of that.

Also, the top screen having an "effective" size of 800x240 is BS. It's just 400x240. The 800x240 thing is a misconception of how the 3DS implements 3D gameplay.

[I'm Always BROKE]

tl;dr indeed.

Hope the 3DS will also get a Smash Bros. If we're ever gonna get a handheld Smash, it's got to be on the 3DS, it's perfect for it.

[ThankMeLater]

shut the fuck up @ toasty

[Zeypher]

@ Toasty - I didn't read all of that, but I did get to the part when you said the 3DS doesn't create a separate image for each eye. It does. It didn't work for me when I covered up one of my eyes when I played it at E3, and it also doesn't work for people with eye problems. Here's a link - http://gonintendo.co...y.php?id=127173

I couldn't find the link for the bad eyes, but Daemon Hatfield of IGN said on their Nintendo Podcast that the 3DS didn't work for him because he has an astigmatism.

[Eugine]

WHO THE FAARK WANTS TO PLAY??? Never played online lmao (and I suck btw. I have yet to unlock all the characters, since I don't really play Brawl.)

[Toasty]

Zeypher, on Sep 4 2010, 03:06 PM, said:

@ Toasty - I didn't read all of that, but I did get to the part when you said the 3DS doesn't create a separate image for each eye. It does. It didn't work for me when I covered up one of my eyes when I played it at E3, and it also doesn't work for people with eye problems. Here's a link - http://gonintendo.co...y.php?id=127173

I couldn't find the link for the bad eyes, but Daemon Hatfield of IGN said on their Nintendo Podcast that the 3DS didn't work for him because he has an astigmatism.

What is this faggotry


THAT'S A ***** MOVE SANTA NINTENDO

[Moonear]

Zeypher, on Sep 4 2010, 04:06 PM, said:

didn't work for him because he has an astigmatism.

God damnit. I was actually considering buying this.

[ThankMeLater]

Eugine, on Sep 4 2010, 04:14 PM, said:

WHO THE FAARK WANTS TO PLAY??? Never played online lmao (and I suck btw. I have yet to unlock all the characters, since I don't really play Brawl.)

im down tomorrow before i work. havnet played in a while though, so i may be a bit rusty. not the beast link i used to be. also they nerfed him in brawl making him even worse.

[Zeypher]

Toon Link is pretty awesome though.

[Golden Legacy]

Toasty, on Sep 4 2010, 09:09 PM, said:

What is this faggotry
THAT'S A ***** MOVE SANTA NINTENDO

ihatekraden, on Sep 4 2010, 10:31 PM, said:

God damnit. I was actually considering buying this.

Wait... Zeyph, please don't tell me this means people who need to wear glasses/contacts to correct astigmatisms can't see the 3D effect?

[Zeypher]

If you have something that corrects it I'm pretty sure it'll work. Some people have astigmatisms but don't wear contacts or glasses for it so they're SOL.

[Toasty]

To be honest though, I think it's "hella' pimp" that they're using this tech. Authentic 3D without glasses? Heck yeah.

[ThankMeLater]

But 3D gaming at this point us pretty shit.. A useless add on like it is in so many movies (toy story didn't need 3D in the slightest).

[Toasty]

I'd argue that gaming has more to benefit from 3D than movies at this point in time. Especially if you don't need gay-ass glasses to get the effect.

[Zeypher]

I can see where in some cases it's tacked on, but either way it really makes you feel one with the game.

I can't explain in words how amazing Pilot Wings Resort was. It's all depth 3D, but the plane looked like it was coming off the screen. Same thing with Star Fox. It was awesome.

[Laharl]

i remember when 3D gave you seizures.......good times

[Moonear]

Zeypher, on Sep 6 2010, 11:57 PM, said:

If you have something that corrects it I'm pretty sure it'll work. Some people have astigmatisms but don't wear contacts or glasses for it so they're SOL.

Yay, now I am again actually considering buying one.

[ThankMeLater]

I wonder how many people will have boight all 5 DS consoles.. I'd feel pretty ripped off.

[Mallick]

ThankMeLater, on Sep 6 2010, 11:13 PM, said:

But 3D gaming at this point us pretty shit.. A useless add on like it is in so many movies (toy story didn't need 3D in the slightest).

we still don't have much use for colour in videogames or film.

[Aquamarine]

Toasty, on Sep 7 2010, 08:09 AM, said:

To be honest though, I think it's "hella' pimp" that they're using this tech. Authentic 3D without glasses? Heck yeah.

YES! Another useless gimmick is EXACTLY what we need to make our games better!

[Mallick]

>useless

i'm sure a few years down the road they'll incorporate it into some silly game mechanic.

[ThankMeLater]

Mallick, on Sep 7 2010, 10:07 AM, said:

we still don't have much use for colour in videogames or film.

i don't think people ever complained about colour in films tho...

[Toasty]

Aquamarine, on Sep 7 2010, 09:12 AM, said:

YES! Another useless gimmick is EXACTLY what we need to make our games better!

It's only a gimmick if developers treat it like they originally treated the Wii.

[TheEnglishman]

Aquamarine, on Sep 7 2010, 04:12 PM, said:

YES! Another useless gimmick is EXACTLY what we need to make our games better!

I agree. It's like when they say you can watch football in 3D, as if it will make it suddenly more entertaining if it's 0-0.

[Zeypher]

It's not really a gimmick, it's an aesthetic change that immerses you with the game. If you don't like it for whatever reason there's a slider to turn it off.

[Aquamarine]

Toasty, on Sep 8 2010, 07:55 AM, said:

It's only a gimmick if developers treat it like they originally treated the Wii.

Even now the Wii's motion-sensing is primarily being used as a gimmick. And if something as great as motion-sensing is nothing but a gimmick, I'm absolutely sure this shit will be as well. You will notice it during the first half of your first game played on the 3DS, then you will only really notice it once or twice in all the other games.

[Caael]

I imagine it'll be like avatar. Everybody will bitch and throw shit about the 3D saying that it was overrated and continue to buy 3D games regardless.

[Drizzy Drake]

Cause the bitter hardcore gamers are really gonna be the ones to buythe 3rd and not the catered to casual audience.

[Caael]

Hardcore =/= 'hardcore' nintendo

[gsninja]

ThankMeLater, on Sep 7 2010, 04:59 AM, said:

I wonder how many people will have boight all 5 DS consoles.. I'd feel pretty ripped off.

inorite

I'm so happy I stuck with the original DS the whole time.

Oh yeah, played Melee with some friends not too long ago, Marth is broken.

[Toasty]

gsninja, on Sep 8 2010, 09:20 AM, said:

Oh yeah, played Melee with some friends not too long ago, Marth is broken.

So is Fox.

When using Roy, my friend would often beat me with marth. Then I switched to Fox and was able to beat him more often than not.

Which bummed me out 'cause Roy was my favorite character. :'( Though before him, I always used Kirby and rarely lost.